Kynge of Begrem
Norm Smith Medallist
I understand that it is going to be outlined in court tomorrow?That may be sometime as can they not hold the person indefinitely?
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I understand that it is going to be outlined in court tomorrow?That may be sometime as can they not hold the person indefinitely?
Yeah, that was my initial thought as well, but I would lean towards coincidence rather than conspiracy.I still find it strange that these raid occur on the day that the PM and his pal Shorten are seeing the troops off.
If you think that proves that we are living a police state, we have different views on the burden of evidence.It was proven once again this morning. Do you want me to post the photos from the raids here in this thread?
600 AFP. Many in tactical gear. Armoured personnel carriers. At least a dozen raids.
One charge so far.
To anybody in the 1990s, this would be cause for great alarm. They hadn't been conditioned to accept this s**t yet. To anybody with a functioning brain, it is still cause for alarm now. By my definition, this is clearly and blatantly a police state.
How bad would it have to get before you thought so, too?
I envy you, not of big supporter of coincidence.Yeah, that was my initial thought as well, but I would lean towards coincidence rather than conspiracy.
SonOfReep Keep the pavlovian responses coming.
I would expect that this type of raid has not happened in the countires you have mentioned becuase there was not the evidence that would warrant it.I envy you, not of big supporter of coincidence.
Why target Australia and not Indonesia, NZ (not raised their threat level I believe), USA, UK?
Haven't read of this type of raid happening in those countries.
How in the hell did Australia become part of this? 2003?
I really believe that the closest we will come to an execution will be 'of search warrants/arrests'.
Saying that "The Govt/Media lied about event x, therefore they are lying about event y" is no better than claiming that "The Govt/Media told the truth about event x, therefore they are telling the truth about event y". Clearly a lot of stuff in the media is garbage, but not all of it. So neither side can make a judgement until the evidence surfaces.Well if the police and msm are saying that, it must be true. Like Nayriah and Weapons of Mass Destruction.
The gov and media would never lie about something like this.
Ever heard of Edward Snowden? Or have you been living under a rock? We are all being monitoredI wanna know exactly how the police were able to work out that someone was planning to behead a random stranger on the street -
I mean, if you were planning to do such a thing, would you post about it online, write a journal, brag to friends?
I wouldn't think so - Either these guys are morons and gave themselves away, or the police are making s**t up
No saying it is a conspiracy, just that I don't believe in coincidence and not looking forward to the fear that the media and mileage the right will make of it.I would expect that this type of raid has not happened in the countires you have mentioned becuase there was not the evidence that would warrant it.
I really cannot believe that this is part of a vast conspiracy, involving the Federal Government, ASIO, the AFP, the NSW police and the QLD police. That is getting close to tin foil hat territory.
As far as I can tell there has never been any Australian killed or injured on Australian soil as a result of terrorism from Muslim extremists (I may be wrong with this). In contrast on average 8 women are hospitalised due to domestic violence each day and on average 1 is killed every week. One of these is spoken about relentlessly, considered a threat to our way of life, is worth getting into (another) war for and receives many times the funding in order to fight it than the other one. Of course governments of all persuasions are logical and hence they spend the majority of their time on the real statistical danger to our way of life...
Who is claiming the former?Saying that "The Govt/Media lied about event x, therefore they are lying about event y" is no better than claiming that "The Govt/Media told the truth about event x, therefore they are telling the truth about event y".
You make a valid point. Societal attitudes towards violence against women are well demonstrated in a thread here that is over 100 pages long. It is pretty depressing reading.As far as I can tell there has never been any Australian killed or injured on Australian soil as a result of terrorism from Muslim extremists (I may be wrong with this). In contrast on average 8 women are hospitalised due to domestic violence each day and on average 1 is killed every week. One of these is spoken about relentlessly, considered a threat to our way of life, is worth getting into (another) war for and receives many times the funding in order to fight it than the other one. Of course governments of all persuasions are logical and hence they spend the majority of their time on the real statistical danger to our way of life...
They want us to believe that the raids were conducted on legitimate 'terror threats'? Show us the proof.
I get what you are saying, but, the nutters would have a field day about police states and govt conspiracy if this was done on the quiet.No saying it is a conspiracy, just that I don't believe in coincidence and not looking forward to the fear that the media and mileage the right will make of it.
Am of the view that no need to broadcast these raids, much more can be achieved (IMO) done on the quiet.
Yes, I know how you have been trained to think (and I use the term 'think' loosely).Blah blah blah
Yes, I know how you have been trained to think (and I use the term 'think' loosely).
If it is on the news, it must be real.
Never mind how many times the news has lied to us before.
Anybody who questions the news must be crazy. Just look at all the tv shows where the guy who questions the government is a crazy conspiracy theorist. What more evidence do you need?
How would we know if the press and press conferences didn't advertise it?I get what you are saying, but, the nutters would have a field day about police states and govt conspiracy if this was done on the quiet.
Can you imagine how it would go if people were taken from their homes by police and it was not being reported?
Very poor, dare I say idiotic, comparison.
We'll what a joke. just jumping up and down that he should be banned because he has a different view doesn't wash.Ban plz.