Its a piece of propaganda.
Ukraine on verge of civil war?
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or those in Washington with the Saudis and manipulating the oil price
Yes , thats right , but thats where the power base is , who owns what and who sets the price, Its crooked and rotten , but Russia could do with a smart man rather than an egotistical little loop head , with visions of granduer and winning the punch up. He can't .
Why can't they just come into the room and deal for everyones benefit. Who gives a flying f*** if you look tough or weak.
Russia doesn't need to prove a thing to any body, Putin should be turnming the place into an economic power and friend to the world , not a pack of stupid belligerent bastards with nothing to do but dream of old times and make the place miserable. Maybe its in their genes?
That is the curse of that place has been for centuries.
DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP HITTING THEMSELVES ON THE HEAD WITH THE HAMMER , SO IT FEELS GOOD WHEN YOU STOP. THATS RUSSIA, THEY CAN'T STOP.
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Putin did well in his first spell. Embraced relations with western countries and opened up business opportunities for Russian companies.
He's totally lost the plot these days. Seeing conspiracy theories everywhere and coming up with rubbish that wouldn't even be worthy of the bigfooty conspiracy theory boards. He's isolating Russia once again and it seems he'd prefer a return to the cold war days. He really needs to leave Ukraine alone and sort itself out. Only then will Russia start to recover and dig itself out of the hole Putin has created with his totalitarian leadership.
He's totally lost the plot these days. Seeing conspiracy theories everywhere and coming up with rubbish that wouldn't even be worthy of the bigfooty conspiracy theory boards. He's isolating Russia once again and it seems he'd prefer a return to the cold war days. He really needs to leave Ukraine alone and sort itself out. Only then will Russia start to recover and dig itself out of the hole Putin has created with his totalitarian leadership.
So what happened to Libya, Syria and Ukraine is a fantasy ? Washington regime change agenda is a recipe for disaster.
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You're bonkers if you think the Americans had anything to do with any of those three - Libya and Syria were part of the Arab spring, a movement which has actually been against American interests rather than for, and there was no US government involvement in Ukraine. Some individuals of Ukrainian descent threw in some money, but otherwise it was people protesting a government that flat out lied about its intentions and turned out to be a flagrant Kremlin puppet government, until the government could no longer function and collapsed. If only the people in this country had the same amount of fortitude, we could be rid of the current group of corrupt Tory s**t stains for a very long time.
the Ukraine putsch on the first g'vt 18 months ago? come one dude, get a grip. And dont think they were not balls deep in Cairo and Tripoli neither.
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Wow! The Ukraine troubles might be over, Putin hasn't been seen in public for 8 days and a death notice had been put up briefly before being taken down.
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The US was backing the overthrown Mubarak Egyptian government and had been successfully for decades, so clearly you don't know s**t. The change in Libya has been the only arab spring revolt that removed a government the US was opposed to, otherwise all the toppled dictatorships and ongoing/failed revolts in countries like Jordan have been very much against American interests in the region.
Wishing it were true about Ukraine doesn't make it so either - Russia were the only foreign government involved, and their puppet was the one deposed.
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the only reason Mubarak was in power was because of the support of Washington you nincompoop. just cos the spokesperson jay carney, or J Carney, heck, its america, so i will go with J Carney. just cos J Carney says its so, does not make it so.
And as Mona elTahawy calls the new regime, The Council of MubarakS. thats plural, plural mubarak = mubaraks. SSDD.
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No, you fundamentally misunderstand decades of US foreign policy. What they favour above all else is stability, as befits the nation on top. They don't care who is in charge, what kind of dictatorship it is, what rights the citizens have - as long as the country is first and foremost stable, and secondarily the leader is pro-US or willing to toe the line when required (and in the past they also had to be anti-communist).
Mubarak. Musharraf. Ngo Dinh Diem. Pinochet. The Shah. Suharto. House of Saud. Musharraf. The list is long.
All of those Arab governments were stable and more or less willing to do what the Americans wanted in a region where instability comes naturally. Now that the governments have been toppled, what next? Will they make the relationship untenable by electing Islamic governments, or go secular? And if they're secular, what happens if they fall under the economic sway of Beijing first?
All of this still doesn't change the fact that the President of Ukraine was deposed after it was discovered by the Ukrainian people he was taking his orders from the Kremlin, when he announced the signing of a one-sided long term economic contract with Russia that precluded any move towards the EU - with no justification - despite explicitly promising otherwise during the election. How shocking that prepositioned Russian army troops were ready to invade Ukraine as soon as the deposed President was exfiltrated to Russia by a special forces team.
Mubarak. Musharraf. Ngo Dinh Diem. Pinochet. The Shah. Suharto. House of Saud. Musharraf. The list is long.
All of those Arab governments were stable and more or less willing to do what the Americans wanted in a region where instability comes naturally. Now that the governments have been toppled, what next? Will they make the relationship untenable by electing Islamic governments, or go secular? And if they're secular, what happens if they fall under the economic sway of Beijing first?
All of this still doesn't change the fact that the President of Ukraine was deposed after it was discovered by the Ukrainian people he was taking his orders from the Kremlin, when he announced the signing of a one-sided long term economic contract with Russia that precluded any move towards the EU - with no justification - despite explicitly promising otherwise during the election. How shocking that prepositioned Russian army troops were ready to invade Ukraine as soon as the deposed President was exfiltrated to Russia by a special forces team.
BS.
they favour stability but actively foment instability. They favour puppets. 1st, second, third option. only option.
they "say" they want stability. But they want stability, only on their terms. Read Ze'ev Jabotinsky' political theory on the ME. how to shatter the arabs into constituent tribes, and infighting.
<invoke> CIA aphorism on our bastards
NTRabbit your flaw is you fundamentally err like the Americans have also with their manifest destiny tripe. You assume the counter factual, and that Washington can dictate and define the aspect on the ground in foreign geography, when they could not even discern when the USSR was gonna fail, how many nukes the USSR had, what Saddam's intentions were... America cant dictate and define the truth abroad. They can dictate and define their own hubris, and for that they are remarkably talented
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You think whoever replaces Putin will be more diplomatic ? Could be worse.
Its when they allowed ultra-right wing soccer thugs burn 40 pro-russians mostly women alive that the war really Kicked off.
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That's a bullshit Russian propaganda myth Vlad.
No its not
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Just like Russian news services you fail to mention the small fact that pro russian military activists fired on ukranian protestors outside the trade union building. I don't think it is that surprising that they responded in the way they did when fired upon. And they certainly had nothing to do with any government organisation. But that's not how you or the Russian propaganda whores portray it for obvious reasons.
Where is Putin?
Quality website here showing how long he has been "missing" for.
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Edit: Man that little song is catchy!
Quality website here showing how long he has been "missing" for.
http://laaake.com/
Edit: Man that little song is catchy!
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Would anyone dare cross Putin and launch a coup in Russia? I doubt it. Nemtsov murder organised by Chechnya strongman loyal to Putin:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-07/boris-nemtsov-murder-two-suspects-detained/6288520
Just as I suspected it had nothing to do with Putin. I daresay the likes of these lovely gentleman will quickly quash any attempts at Kremlion coups rather quickly and efficiently. Putin has built up a rather loyal gang of thugs willing to do thing on his behalf.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-07/boris-nemtsov-murder-two-suspects-detained/6288520
Just as I suspected it had nothing to do with Putin. I daresay the likes of these lovely gentleman will quickly quash any attempts at Kremlion coups rather quickly and efficiently. Putin has built up a rather loyal gang of thugs willing to do thing on his behalf.
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The Ukrainian armed coup was organized from Washington, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated in an interview for a new documentary aired Sunday. The Americans tried to hide behind the Europeans, but Moscow saw through the trick, he added.
“The trick of the situation was that outwardly the [Ukrainian] opposition was supported mostly by the Europeans. But we knew for sure that the real masterminds were our American friends,”Putin said in a documentary, 'Crimea - The Way Home,' aired by Rossiya 1 news channel.
“They helped training the nationalists, their armed groups, in Western Ukraine, in Poland and to some extent in Lithuania,” he added. “They facilitated the armed coup.”
The West spared no effort to prevent Crimea’s reunification with Russia, “by any means, in any format and under any scheme," he noted.
Putin said this approach was far from being the best dealing with any country, and a post-Soviet country like Ukraine specifically. Such countries have a short record of living under a new political system and remain fragile. Violating constitutional order in such a country inevitably deal a lot of damage to its statehood, the president said.
“The trick of the situation was that outwardly the [Ukrainian] opposition was supported mostly by the Europeans. But we knew for sure that the real masterminds were our American friends,”Putin said in a documentary, 'Crimea - The Way Home,' aired by Rossiya 1 news channel.
“They helped training the nationalists, their armed groups, in Western Ukraine, in Poland and to some extent in Lithuania,” he added. “They facilitated the armed coup.”
The West spared no effort to prevent Crimea’s reunification with Russia, “by any means, in any format and under any scheme," he noted.
Putin said this approach was far from being the best dealing with any country, and a post-Soviet country like Ukraine specifically. Such countries have a short record of living under a new political system and remain fragile. Violating constitutional order in such a country inevitably deal a lot of damage to its statehood, the president said.
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Wow. That sounds like a post from the bigfooty conspiracy theory forum. Putin is going senile it seems. Any excuse to justify an "invasion" of Ukraine it seems.
Legitimate act of self determination? Hahahahahaha!!! When the only options in the referendum are: would you rather join the Russian federation now or would you rather join the Russian Federation later only a fool would argue its legitimacy!!
There was no voting option for those who wished to remain part of Ukraine.
Because of the uncertainty surrounding the situation in Crimea thousands have been left destitute:
http://ukraine.setimes.com/en_GB/articles/uwi/features/2015/01/28/feature-02
Lavror tried the same argument at the Munich security conference:
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-lavrov-laughed-at-in-munich/26835413.html
Got laughed off the stage. Russians are still living in a communist age where they think that bullshitting & propaganda will work. It doesn't and they need to move with the times.
Legitimate act of self determination? Hahahahahaha!!! When the only options in the referendum are: would you rather join the Russian federation now or would you rather join the Russian Federation later only a fool would argue its legitimacy!!
There was no voting option for those who wished to remain part of Ukraine.
Because of the uncertainty surrounding the situation in Crimea thousands have been left destitute:
http://ukraine.setimes.com/en_GB/articles/uwi/features/2015/01/28/feature-02
Lavror tried the same argument at the Munich security conference:
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-lavrov-laughed-at-in-munich/26835413.html
Got laughed off the stage. Russians are still living in a communist age where they think that bullshitting & propaganda will work. It doesn't and they need to move with the times.
