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You guys realise that in the grand scheme of things $400k per year is a pretty average salary for a guy of McKays experience and talent.
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If Reilly JPod and Martin are playing regular AFL Footy this year we have far bigger issues than who the whipping boy should be, nothing will have changed from 2013& 14 and we will be 9-12 again. None of these 3 should be anywhere near the 22 if we are playing to our potential and in the top 4 fight.
My whipping boy (For want of a better term) will be Patrick. Not because of the contract situation. But because (Unless something drastic has changed over pre season) his disposal and decision making with the Footy is horrendous. For a guy of his supposed quality he is at best a 4 with ball in hand.
My whipping boy (For want of a better term) will be Patrick. Not because of the contract situation. But because (Unless something drastic has changed over pre season) his disposal and decision making with the Footy is horrendous. For a guy of his supposed quality he is at best a 4 with ball in hand.
It's a bit when you consider it's over 4 years and he very rarely shows the talent he possesses.
Hopefully Walsh can get the best out of him, seems to be doing well in the running drills (not sure how he's gone in the past).
Bacon8
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Exactly. According to the stories/rumours:
The Bulldogs offered Lonergan $500K a year to move from Geelong.
Port/We offered Goldsack $400K a year.
Higgins signed for $400K a year with North
Greenwood went to Pies for 400-450K a year (for 4)
Have you considered the $120K in the final 2 years that are veteren's pay, and are not included in the salary cap?
Is the 4th year guaranteed, or a trigger?
What do you think he should be earning?
Won't the veteran payment be removed by then? I thought it only had a year or two to run before that was getting scrapped.
Lets run with that though, we could have offered him a 2 year deal and if he was worth keeping him on the list, then give him another extension, that 120k verteran's pay wouldn't have gone anywhere signing him on a 2 year deal rather then 4.
Again, I wouldn't have given him 4 years, I would have given him 2. It's a risk/reward thing, but given he still hasn't come along since his second season, the risk is something I'd be willing to take.
Bacon8
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Like the removal of the substitute, until it is officially gone, it's still around. The AFLPA are vehemently opposed to the removal of the Veteran's rule.
So the problem isn't 400K, it's the 4 years. Call him 4yearkay then.
Not sure what experience and talent has to do with wage, surely output is the only thing that counts. When working out if someone is good value or not.
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That is an interesting juxtaposition and I commend you for it. Without immediately going to Footywire and using the Compare feature, I'd think Goldsack and Higgins are similarly placed players within their respective teams (even if they don't play the same positions), and Lonergan rated higher (hence the supposed higher price). Greenwood off the back of one good season, probably yeah.
Perhaps the concern is that we're shoring up the B team guys instead of the A team guys? Would have to do that "split the salary cap amongst the team" exercise again to see if it's fair.
OverpaidHow do you explain Tom Boyd?
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Bacon8
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How much should Mackay be paid?
I'll retract that he's over paid because 1 I don't know what he's getting paid and 2 I don't know what others of his output are getting paid. But my original point still stands that experience and talent shouldn't come into contracts it should be base on output. Of which I think Mackay hasn't lived up to his ability.
Bacon8
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I was curious as to what you think his output is worth.
While $400K might be a tad high, I think it's close enough to not warrant the flack he cops on this board (I'm talking like 30K a year less)
Remembering Sauce signed a $330K p/y, 3 year deal when he moved over from Victoria - having played just 17 games - an extra 70K a year for a 100+ gamer isn't ridiculous.
I do understand Sauce does have a specialist position though.
But if sauce signed today what would he be on? 500?
Bacon8
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He negotiated his original contract in 2013, signed until 2016, but yeah, something around that. He def worth more than Mackay. Not suggesting otherwise.
As I said it was more to do with someones statement that he is not overpaid when you consider his experience and talent. As far as I'm concerned a contract should be based on your output.
Bacon8
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It can't be one or the other though. These things are taking into consideration. B.Crouch for example would've gotten a deal worth more than his output. Others might take less, for a longer deal.
But, Mackay was ranked 9th for total disposals in 2014 for us. $9.44mill salary cap. He had 342 touches, of 8,070 total. That's 4.2% of the team disposals.
4.2% of the salary cap is approx $400K.
Now that's a completely stupid way to show it, cos there are number of factors to consider, but 400K isn't out of the realms of reasonability if you want to use disposals as output.
I understand all that, but you'd have to say that brad crouch is overpaid. I realise that some players need to be overpaid for certain reasons, but it doesn't stop them being overpaid.
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Norm Smith Medallist
Well that's what I was trying to say, I guess I mustn't have said that very clearly give you're the second person to say that.
Regardless, 400k is sort of an issue because Mackay's signing should come once all our stars and talented young players are signed, not the other way around.
*I forget if he was out of contract at the end of 2014 or 2015*
Regardless, 400k is sort of an issue because Mackay's signing should come once all our stars and talented young players are signed, not the other way around.
*I forget if he was out of contract at the end of 2014 or 2015*
Bacon8
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He was a free agent for 2014, but the original article said he'd signed til 2015. So I think 2015 was a trigger year.
The stars have the other 96% of the cap to utilize.
It's a lot for a bloke who was dropped in 2013 and should have been close in the last half of last year. If it's over 4 years then it's a disastrous contract, worse than Reilly's extension.
Are you confident we'll hold onto all 3 of Dangerfield, Sloane and Douglas? I think we'll lose one. If we do, I'll be thinking whether that 400k (not that it would all go towards keeping one player) would have helped keep and that player and whether I'd rather Mackay +500k vs Douglas +200k sort of thing (obviously numbers are made up as we have no idea how much either is on, I'm guessing Douglas would be somewhere between the 500-600k mark).
Bacon8
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But my reckoning we have about 700k left this year to add to the same for 2015. We can give Sloane, Dougie and danger another 200 each and still have some left.
The only one I see leaving would be Danger and it won't be for financial reasons.
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