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Will Australia be forced to change its flag in 2014 if Scotland votes yes?
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It reflects our history. Hence the colours on it. Its a symbol , we 're Australia, nothing reflects every different type of human from any where in the world that live in the same country. The bloody stars and stripes represents states by number doesn't it? Any way the new world order of American empire and military power over every one came from the British empire any way.
The American war of independance was fought between yankee continental poms and the kings poms. Don't you see.
By the way I think Tony Abbott is a drongo too. But he could be Sir Tony doodle brain now that the royal award show is back on. Now that will be a laugh.
Oh and as well , the English actually abolished slavery first and when did they eat people, genocide , well in those times that was just winning a battle. s**t the Romans had total war after the enemy was defeated , every one died. Sometimes even Romans who didn't fight hard enough , every tenth one got whacked. Typical ancient mafiosi.
Yeah. Theres no defining cultural characteristics for england because its all borrowed from the cultures they conquered
Worst genocide in history ? William against the then saxon rebels after the conquest.
We know this because he also commissioned the domesday book which described most of the joint as "laid waste"
You are all aware that Braveheart the film's release across scotland was instrumental in scottish independence polling to get all this started ?
http://www.braveheart.info/
William the Bastard , Duke of Normandy, and he certainly stamped himself on the place.
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No, I’m just disappointed
I don't think the flag makers are going to need to revise anything. Last polls suggest no has a 6 point lead and I'd expect the margin to lengthen further.
I don't expect 'Yes' to win.
But if the UK government doesn't do as all three parties have promised regarding devolution, it will come up again, and it will happen.
But if the UK government doesn't do as all three parties have promised regarding devolution, it will come up again, and it will happen.
We changed our national anthem remember and the sky didn't fall in. We created a new tradition and more importantly one that is uniquely and proudly Australian. One which correctly reflects who we are now.
The current flag conversely says we as Australians are subservient to a foreign country. Sorry, I can't support a flag that says we are inferior as a nation and as a people. The great irony is if we did change our flag, those that are currently strongly against any such a change would within 20 years become the most ardent supporters and defenders of the new flag. John Howard voted against 'Advance Australia Fair' to keep 'God Save the Queen' as our anthem but by 1996 he was bellowing out our current national anthem with hand on heart at the end of his election victory speech. Nothing new about new traditions replacing old out-dated ones.
As long as we think it's relevant to have stars on our flag of which the closest is 600,000,000,000,000 kms away and can be seen by approximately 60% of the world's population in their own sky - it really doesn't matter much what we put on the flag. REd bits, blue bits, purple bits - doesn't matter.
It's just a fairly meaningless symbol to be used instead of an actual sign saying 'Australia'. That's all a flag is.
It's just a fairly meaningless symbol to be used instead of an actual sign saying 'Australia'. That's all a flag is.
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I'm not sure that the "Harrying of the North" could be classed as a genocide, much less the worst in history. It was more of a military operation. Orderic Vitalis put the death toll at 100,000 from an estimated population for the whole of England, based on the 1086 Domesday returns of 2.25 million. William was only in the north for about three months.
Really ? Destroying production and fertile fields is a kindness ? The waste would have lasted for decades
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That doesn't make it a genocide.
Well roylion my post was pretty much in keeping with this post, i certainly wasnt looking for a dictionary based argument two weeks later
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I only made a comment on whether or not the "Harrying of the North" was genocide. You appeared to be implying it was. All I said was that I disagreed with that. I'm happy for you to argue the contrary if you like
It's good to see sensible heads prevailed in this vote. Salmond didn't do very much to map out how Scotland would function as an independent country. He appealed to peoples' hearts but not to their minds and not to common sense.
I just watched Gordon Brown's speech.
Has to be the best speech I've heard from a politician recently.
It has to be said that with all separatist and independence wars around the world that it is a real credit to the UK that Scotland was able to have an independence referendum that Westminster would have abided by.
Has to be the best speech I've heard from a politician recently.
It has to be said that with all separatist and independence wars around the world that it is a real credit to the UK that Scotland was able to have an independence referendum that Westminster would have abided by.
More devolution is interesting. yorkshire appears to have the same population as scotland and definitely would have a differennt political mix to the home counties
Too busy blowing people from cannons Comrade.
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