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Fun Facts: Eddie Betts and Brad Fisher

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Just a little comparison i'd like to bring up about Eddie and Brad. Over the span of about a year, i've read posts about Eddie Betts being too slow and not good enough to play at AFL level, yet Brad Fisher is rated exremely high by the majority of those here (myself included). I thought i'd whip out the old stats and clear things up a little bit...

Eddie Betts (Average) 58 Games
Kicks: 5.7
Handballs: 4.0
Disposals: 9.7
Marks: 2.1
Goals: 1.1
Behinds: 0.6
Tackles: 3.1
Hitouts: 0.1
Frees For: 0.8
Frees Against: 0.4

Brad Fisher (Average) 70 Games
Kicks: 7.9
Handballs: 2.8
Disposals: 10.7
Marks: 5.3
Goals: 1.3
Behinds: 0.7
Tackles: 1.2
Hitouts: 0
Frees For: 0.7
Frees Against: 0.3

Difference
Kicks: 2.2 (Fisher's favour)
Handballs: 1.2 (Betts' favour)
Disposals: 1 (Fisher's favour)
Marks: 3.2 (Fisher's favour)
Goals: 0.2 (Fisher's favour)
Behinds: 0.1 (Fisher's favour)
Tackles: 1.9 (Betts' favour)
Hitouts: 0.1 (Betts' favour)
Frees For: 0.1 (Betts' favour)
Frees Against: 0.1 (Betts' favour)

Now, this is very interesting to read for myself. Brad Fisher has played one more year than Eddie Betts, yet Eddie is matching his standard of stats (apart from marks). The difference between disposals is only 1, yet some posters come down hard on Eddie for not getting the ball enough while Fisher is on the HF line, getting the same amount of touches as Eddie but much more praise. In the same boat, the difference between goals is only 0.2 per game, yet Fisher is rated far above Eddie Betts as a player.

Obviously I am a big supporter of Eddie's, so i'd just like to know why you lasses and gents rate Brad Fisher much higher than Eddie Betts, even though they are very close in stats? If Ed had played one more year than Fisher, he may even be equal or better than Fisher.

Thoughts?
 
Il Naso De Gastev said:
A prime example of why stats mean absolutely stuff all. Betts is f*cking hopeless... Fisher can at least take a grab, albeit a poor kick.
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What are your expectations of Eddie Betts? He hold the forward pocket position very well, he kicks (by stats) a goal per game, what else must he do?
 
Il Naso De Gastev said:
A prime example of why stats mean absolutely stuff all. Betts is f*cking hopeless... Fisher can at least take a grab, albeit a poor kick.
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He was one of our best last week. It is time to deliver for Eddie Betts and so far the signs are good. But I can hear that axeman sharpening the blade. Sorry to say EddieB but I DO have faith that Eddie will deliver!
 

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EddieBettsIsAChamp said:
Thoughts?
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It's a pointless comparison and a poor effort to defend Betts.

Fisher plays a different position(and a tougher one) and had his development halted by alot of injuries.

Eddie isn't slow, but he isn't fit enough to play up the ground like Davey for example and doesn't maintain his speed after he bursts out of traffic. Eddie hasn't developed a motor in spite of this being his fourth year, but Fisher has improved his kicking and is a better kick at goal than when he started.

Pound for pound, Fisher is one of the best marks in the AFL.

Every club would take Fisher ahead of Betts.

Fish is our barometer. ;)
 
TheGeneral said:
It's a pointless comparison and a poor effort to defend Betts.

Fisher plays a different position(and a tougher one) and had his development halted by alot of injuries.

Eddie isn't slow, but he isn't fit enough to play up the ground like Davey for example and doesn't maintain his speed after he bursts out of traffic. Eddie hasn't developed a motor in spite of this being his fourth year, but Fisher has improved his kicking and is a better kick at goal than when he started.

Pound for pound, Fisher is one of the best marks in the AFL.

Every club would take Fisher ahead of Betts.

Fish is our barometer. ;)
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Agree with the above except for barometer.
I think Fev's goal tally over Fisher's would be a bigger indicator on whether we win or lose. I think even Thornton, Waite and the entire midfield could be included in this.
But even so I want both players to step up ASAP
 
It has to be a break through year for Eddie for IMO if Murph was playing Eddie's forward role (I am not advocating that he should be) the stats would be double these. I would hope that Ratts has one of our great forward pocket (/rovers) from the past mentoring him - Ashman, Walsh, Keogh or even another Murphy (Fraser).
Can always hope he is going to be a late maturing Leon Davis type - but Davis always looked to have ability, it was just that he only ever got half the posessions that he gets now as he was always too busy posing for the cameras (NB Davis still has an awful finals record to redeem)

:)
 
eddie is a B-grade foward pocket, needs to do more to justify selection - however, he doesnt have alot of competition for his spot as a crumber.
 
As someone has said 2 different players playing different roles.

Fisher is a player that would walk into alot of other clubs.
Betts would struggle to get a go if we delisted him.

And whoever said Eddie was one of our best last week.........go and watch the game again.

I personally dont see Eddie at carlton next year....but thats just my opinion.
 
I like them both. Eddie's 1%ers often result in carlton goals, but fish is just a better talent. Would love them both to stay in the side, but if i had to choose. The fish every time!!!
 
EddieBettsIsAChamp said:
What are your expectations of Eddie Betts? He hold the forward pocket position very well, he kicks (by stats) a goal per game, what else must he do?
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Look what Jeff Farmer does in a game every now and then,take the game and kick 5 and he is always ready to crum for a goal,when their full forward doesn't get it.
 

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jonoman89 said:
betts, statistically, is useful. the problem is he only seems to click when the game is well and truly over.
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Carlton vs. Essendon 2006 anyone?:p
 
EddieBettsIsAChamp said:
Carlton vs. Essendon 2006 anyone?:p
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Just points to his general uselessness. Too many of our players have standout games so rarely we can remember them easily. You think Collingwood supporters could remember how Davis or Didak played in a game 2 seasons ago?
 
thylacine60 said:
Just points to his general uselessness. Too many of our players have standout games so rarely we can remember them easily. You think Collingwood supporters could remember how Davis or Didak played in a game 2 seasons ago?
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Touche'.

Trying to put my man love for Eddie aside here, I really do think he's a great player, the problem being that he doesn't get the ball when needed. Sure he kicked a candidate for goal of the year last year, but when the game was truely well and done, where as if he had kicked it to give us back the lead in the second, it could have been a whole different story. I don't think I like this 'Betts at half forward' plan. He was dangerous around packs in our forward line last night.
 
EddieBettsIsAChamp said:
Touche'.

Trying to put my man love for Eddie aside here, I really do think he's a great player, the problem being that he doesn't get the ball when needed. Sure he kicked a candidate for goal of the year last year, but when the game was truely well and done, where as if he had kicked it to give us back the lead in the second, it could have been a whole different story. I don't think I like this 'Betts at half forward' plan. He was dangerous around packs in our forward line last night.
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Who else would you say is a great player?
 

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