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BLue_Bloys said:
Hmmm you seem to have disregarded what I said and talked anyway.

I'll recap my points.

1. I don't rate Russell, my problem is with idiots bagging him after he has been far from our worst ( see last 2 games)

2. Check the quote from Kruezer my post which followed indicates that it was Kruezer's first game and not to worry ( I think I said I'd be shitting myself too if <player> was behind me

Russell's past 2 games haven't been great but also haven't been bad. If there was someone from the bullants who was pressing for selection then great drop Russell but atm nobody is setting the world on fire.

I don't think you will find me posting anywhere fighting for Russell's inclusion in the side, so I really don't see what you're getting all incensed about
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1. who was worse than russel last week?Sentanta maybe thats bout it.. His shit and you need to realise there are better players with more potential in the VFL who should be getting a game. The only reason as I mentioned was the coaching panel want to see if he can show anything to suggest we should keep him on the list.
I would be giving some afl experience to the likes of armfield, browne, ellard, benjamin, Anderson...etc, plenty of young players which in the senior squad could flourish.
To be honest this decision to play russel no matter what is just stupid. What other team does that honestly? Its just because his pick 9 and they dont want to look like fools for recruiting him....load of shizer if you ask me.

2. I dont have time to check your quote.

3. Having JR playing everyweek will incense most blues fans:cool:
 
one eyed bluey said:
1. who was worse than russel last week?Sentanta maybe thats bout it.. His shit and you need to realise there are better players with more potential in the VFL who should be getting a game. The only reason as I mentioned was the coaching panel want to see if he can show anything to suggest we should keep him on the list.
I would be giving some afl experience to the likes of armfield, browne, ellard, benjamin, Anderson...etc, plenty of young players which in the senior squad could flourish.
To be honest this decision to play russel no matter what is just stupid. What other team does that honestly? Its just because his pick 9 and they dont want to look like fools for recruiting him....load of shizer if you ask me.

2. I dont have time to check your quote.

3. Having JR playing everyweek will incense most blues fans:cool:
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That's fair it's your opinion, I agree that he is being included in the side to test whether he is up to the cut. but do we want to include the other guys given they haven't shown anything to indicate they are up to AFL standard?

In the past we have been forced to play our young players which most haven't had that great an impact for some time.

the players I thought were worse than Russell on the weekend were,

Bentick, Setanta, Grigg

players who I thought played similar type of output game include

Pfeiffer, Betts

Anyway this is all I'll post on this we are just going around in circles
 
BB I think your opinion of Freddie is a little off the mark. Consider that Russell has played about 50 games and is supposed to have an AFL hardened body. Freddie was playing his first real game not a mickey mouse game and I think overall his "toughness" and commitment towards putting his body on the line was excellent. Consider the fact that he had one of the biggest thugs of the game cannon into his back in his first mickey mouse game, then stood tall and waited and took the grab to kick his first goal against Essendon.

His confidence is rising each week and that was proven on the weekend when he knew he was going to cop the hit and he took it fair on the chin.

At the end of the day Russell is expected to put his body on the line but sticking his forearm into a bloke to "sheperd" when the player with the ball is 20m away and the chasing player is about to stop is not putting his body on the line. I agree grigg and bentick were worse than him on the weekend but setanta is doing fine. He is providing a contest and is another marking option up forward. He is still learning and I think we have found his spot. He runs and chases and loves the physical side of things so you cant ask anymore from him as a forward. With a little refining he will plug our hole at CHF... I think you'll notice a stark difference between round 1 and 2,3,4... or forward line is working much better and setanta has played in 2 of those 3 better matches and has contributed.

As for you comparison with betts and pfieffers games, that couldn't be further off the mark! Pfieffer game I thought was very very servicable. Was not a stand out but his agression and commitment towards the hard ball is fantastic. Betts had a bit of an off week but due to the flooding and the tight confides he was often inches away from some magic. He often stood up in tackles and broke some lines and did some great things... he is an opportunist player and when there is such a flood of players those type of players tend to get swallowed up.

I have a strong conviction against players who dont go in hard (as I personally was an extractor type player) I would much rather see someone like armfield getting a game than Russell... his 2nd and 3rd efforts, chasing and general "toughness" is amazing and I would rather see him busting a gut than watching russell prancing down a wing.
 

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one eyed bluey said:
1. who was worse than russel last week?Sentanta maybe thats bout it.. His shit and you need to realise there are better players with more potential in the VFL who should be getting a game. The only reason as I mentioned was the coaching panel want to see if he can show anything to suggest we should keep him on the list.
I would be giving some afl experience to the likes of armfield, browne, ellard, benjamin, Anderson...etc, plenty of young players which in the senior squad could flourish.
To be honest this decision to play russel no matter what is just stupid. What other team does that honestly? Its just because his pick 9 and they dont want to look like fools for recruiting him....load of shizer if you ask me.

2. I dont have time to check your quote.

3. Having JR playing everyweek will incense most blues fans:cool:
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This sort of mindset is ridiculous....mount a football argument, but don't say he's our worst therefore is no good and should be dropped......last time i checked 22 doesn't fit into 1. :rolleyes:
 
Ole Gill said:
I disagree.

In the 3rd quarter (I think), deep in the defensive pocket, JR went back with the flight of the ball to cut of a Melbourne kick. He had ample (and I mean ample) time to take the grab. He had so much time that if the leading forward had hit him, it would have been 50.

But JR heard footsteps and LITERALLY ducked his head, shelled the ball and Melbourne had another crack.

That kind of stuff is just too soft for an AFL footballer. I hope he proves me wrong but the signs aren't good.
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I saw at incident and agree, it was very ordinary. Russell puts in at least one of those per game. His disposal is the worst in the side and he can't read the play. The kick that went to Judd in the dying seconds was a shocker, Judd made it look easy to collect and spear the pass to Fev, but it wasn't.

That kick for a 21 year old should be his bread and butter - not good enough.

When we play teams like Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide and even the Kangas - they will make us pay for shit disposal like that.
 
sweet17 said:
I saw at incident and agree, it was very ordinary. Russell puts in at least one of those per game. His disposal is the worst in the side and he can't read the play. The kick that went to Judd in the dying seconds was a shocker, Judd made it look easy to collect and spear the pass to Fev, but it wasn't.

That kick for a 21 year old should be his bread and butter - not good enough.

When we play teams like Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide and even the Kangas - they will make us pay for shit disposal like that.
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I don't think any of the people saying get off Russell's back are of the opinion that he is a gun, but simply that he's nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be. And if you actually watch him play rather than just freak out every time he makes a stuff-up, you notice that he's steadily improving.

His foot passing last weekend was the best it's been, and one that comes to mind was a 50M pass off his left foot from the backline to Simmo on the wing. His kicks in the fwd line were noticeably harder and flatter which makes me think that he's working on his game after maybe some coaching input that his attempted little delicate kicks are the ones that miss the target.

Some have been saying drop him for Bentick, but when he was given a run on sunday Bentick's game was nothing special, and his contribution was less than JR's.

So, whilst there's no-one knocking the door down with dominant performances in the VFL and JR's getting a bit better every week, what would you gain by dumping him ?
 
BLue_Bloys said:
Before you call me a moron I suggest you review Kruezer's game against Essendon.


Just in case you can't be bothered here is some proof from a fellow Carlton poster....




I'll accept my apology here thank you ________________
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Listen pal i will say this once......

Don't show me some stupid quote from someone who may have been there or not.

I was there live and have watched the replay and Kreuzer did NOT pull out or sherk any contests in his FIRST AFL game.

So either tell me what you veiwed with your OWN eyes and at what time in the game it was and i'll shut up.

And you can stick your apology where it fits.:mad:
 
HBF said:
Much to my surprise, JR has steadily improved over the past 3 weeks, and I cannot recall any real brain explosions from the Melbourne game. Looks to have a little bit of confidence as well with his game.

Well done JR, I didn't think you had it in you.

:thumbsu:
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He did duck his head once but its seems he's become a bit more confortable at the highest level. He's no longer a kid and he doesn't play like one.
 

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gandaal said:
:confused:

Not really. Russell rarely turns it over these days.
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I can think of quite a few times where he has turned it over recently.
mainly against Essendon and C'Wood. he wasn't AS BAD against melbourne.
I noticed several players chose to ignore the Russel option when he was in space last weekend. Good option. :thumbsu: I also think his marking technique is a cause for concern. I don't hate Russel. I just wish he played for the Bullants.
 
Blue Bawls said:
Scroll up half a page from this post... ;)
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haha sorry mate didn't see that.

Juddy08 said:
Listen pal i will say this once......

Don't show me some stupid quote from someone who may have been there or not.

I was there live and have watched the replay and Kreuzer did NOT pull out or sherk any contests in his FIRST AFL game.

So either tell me what you veiwed with your OWN eyes and at what time in the game it was and i'll shut up.

And you can stick your apology where it fits.:mad:
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I viewed it in my own eyes that when filling the hole as ruckmen do he would pull out of the contest late (happened 2 times that I can remember, 1 was with Lloyd taking as easy mark and I think the other was Hille). It was no biggy and I don't really care he did it as you said it was his first game. He hasn't done it again and I doubt he will, just that when other players do it nobody cares only when Russell or Houlihan do it.
 
BLue_Bloys said:
I viewed it in my own eyes that when filling the hole as ruckmen do he would pull out of the contest late (happened 2 times that I can remember, 1 was with Lloyd taking as easy mark and I think the other was Hille). It was no biggy and I don't really care he did it as you said it was his first game. He hasn't done it again and I doubt he will, just that when other players do it nobody cares only when Russell or Houlihan do it.
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correct... this is because they are repeat offenders!

Freddie you can understand he pulled out late and on the back of the brown incident against Hawthorn you can understand why...

but look at the 2:00 mark of this video... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGL2-5D0Ic

he knew the hit was coming and he proceeded... he has learnt a lot from the brown and the first game incidents and he is becoming confident and taking the hits in his 4th game... russell and houlihan constantly do it
 

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