Prismall

[catempire]

must be the same thing with tenace then!!!

i think even the most ardent prismall fans have said that he was languishing in the vfl because he was not doing the things asked of him by the coaching staff.

I don't know about that. It seemed to be one theory thrown up to try to explain why he hadn't been given a go.

When asked on the weekend he said there were two reasons:

1. So many good midfielders to compete with;
2. The coaching staff asked him to add versatility to his game (i.e. ability to play half back and half forward).

I think it was pretty obvious to everyone that the biggest obstacle to him getting a game was the wealth of midfield talent we had.

Whenever I saw arguments for him getting a game (or whenever I made them) they were on the basis that we could add a midfielder to the mix at the expense of a small forward or small defender because what Prismall would bring to the table would make it worth it, despite the juggling of positions that would be required. This last couple of weeks goes a fair way to proving that this is the case.

 

[darren forssman]

I don't know about that. It seemed to be one theory thrown up to try to explain why he hadn't been given a go.

When asked on the weekend he said there were two reasons:

1. So many good midfielders to compete with;
2. The coaching staff asked him to add versatility to his game (i.e. ability to play half back and half forward).

I think it was pretty obvious to everyone that the biggest obstacle to him getting a game was the wealth of midfield talent we had.

Whenever I saw arguments for him getting a game (or whenever I made them) they were on the basis that we could add a midfielder to the mix at the expense of a small forward or small defender because what Prismall would bring to the table would make it worth it, despite the juggling of positions that would be required. This last couple of weeks goes a fair way to proving that this is the case.

i dont want to bring up the old age argument involving ole blue eyes but why wasnt he given a go on a half forward flank?

i dont believe in like for like in this instance, especially when prismall can convert set shots.

 

[cat_fanatic]

must be the same thing with tenace then!!!

good point... but he is as good as de-listed, unlike Pris.

i think even the most ardent prismall fans have said that he was languishing in the vfl because he was not doing the things asked of him by the coaching staff.

Well i don't have any knowledge as to the going ons behind closed doors like you, so perhaps i'm wrong and his exclusion for the 9 games he has missed is a result of disciplinary measures, yeah i'm sure that's it.

 

[darren forssman]

Well i don't have any knowledge as to the going ons behind closed doors like you, so perhaps i'm wrong and his exclusion for the 9 games he has missed is a result of disciplinary measures, yeah i'm sure that's it.

maybe you should note some of your own words:
"Then you weighed in with your sarcastic, constructive addition".

i never said i had knowledge of going ons behind closed doors or disciplinary measures dished out. others on this site have suggested that was the reason he was not getting a game.

 

[catempire]

i dont want to bring up the old age argument involving ole blue eyes but why wasnt he given a go on a half forward flank?

I think for the very reason I mentioned - they saw him as too one-dimensional - a midfielder - so they told him to work at being versatile.

But eventually, a spot opened up due to injury and he has had a shot on a wing. Now it will just be interesting to see what happens when Wojcinski and Byrnes are fit.

 

[cat_fanatic]

maybe you should note some of your own words:
"Then you weighed in with your sarcastic, constructive addition".

i never said i had knowledge of going ons behind closed doors or disciplinary measures dished out. others on this site have suggested that was the reason he was not getting a game.

Then i guess we are even. There may have been an element of misrepresentation in what i said, i just replied to your 'implied' meaning; that Prismall was not getting senior game time because he was not listening to the coaching staff, hence he was being disciplined.

 

[cat in sydney]

I think for the very reason I mentioned - they saw him as too one-dimensional - a midfielder - so they told him to work at being versatile.

But eventually, a spot opened up due to injury and he has had a shot on a wing. Now it will just be interesting to see what happens when Wojcinski and Byrnes are fit.

If Pris has been told to work on being flexible (HFF or HBF), then could this be an option depending on form?

Wojak comes back in, which means we need to drop one. Prismall moves to HFF to replace Varcoe, who is still seen as a year off.
Byrnes is now the one trying to 'get back in' rather than being a given.

 

[hbk_aus]

Pissmall

Thanks for your fascinating input on the subject....

 

[cool cats]

must be the same thing with tenace then!!!

i think even the most ardent prismall fans have said that he was languishing in the vfl because he was not doing the things asked of him by the coaching staff.

what were the coaching staff asking him to do?? why were they then putting him in the best players week in week out??

 

[sarah.13]

what were the coaching staff asking him to do?? why were they then putting him in the best players week in week out??

They were asking him to add some versatility into his game ala Kelly, Bartel,Ablett,Corey,Enright etc....
He was getting into the best because he's a dam good player, just no spots ahead of the above purely as a midfielder.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

Then you weighed in with your sarcastic, constructive addition to the thread. The coaches are playing him aren't they? That would answer your question.

no sarcasm there. the answer lies in the fact he replaced selwood from emergency status originally and the fact if they thought he was "more than solid" he would be more than a backup and would've played the last 10 or so from 12.

and "constructive addition" is in the eye of the beholder - or are you now the thread AND knowledge police?

 

[TheTimeCometh]

No, they just had to give more experienced guys a shot first, isn't that the logical thing to do?

and how long did it take for the staff to put selwood in, ahead of "more experienced guys" last year?

i'd be pleased to know, from you with yer constructive additions, whether or not this was "the logical thing to do"?

 

[cat_fanatic]

and how long did it take for the staff to put selwood in, ahead of "more experienced guys" last year?

i'd be pleased to know, from you with yer constructive additions, whether or not this was "the logical thing to do"?

Because our midfield coming off a poor 2006 was in exactly the same shape as it was coming off our 2007 premiership year.

Completely different circumstances. Why not address the current situation rather than try to prove some point (not sure what it is) with a comparison of a different time? Do you have an explanation as to why Prismall was not played this year, remembering that we are talking about Prismall in 2008, not Selwood in 2007?

 

[darren forssman]

Do you have an explanation as to why Prismall was not played this year, remembering that we are talking about Prismall in 2007, not Selwood in 2007?

too much midfield depth infront of him, and he was oft injured in 2007.

i think ttc is making the point that selwood forced his way (and stayed) into the team without paying much heed to giving more experienced guys a shot.

i ponder why he was never included ahead of byrnes to try and fill a half forward flank, especially when he can convert set shots.

 

[cat_fanatic]

no sarcasm there. the answer lies in the fact he replaced selwood from emergency status originally and the fact if they thought he was "more than solid" he would be more than a backup and would've played the last 10 or so from 12.

and "constructive addition" is in the eye of the beholder - or are you now the thread AND knowledge police?

Haha, picking you up on a post that was a useless contribution doesn't make me the police TTC, calm down.
Rather than offer an argument to the contrary of the point in question, you attempted to discredit my opinion with a response that was not needed, in which case i felt it necessary to return the favour. I'll keep in mind your sensitivity in future debates.

Prismall's ability, whether he is 'solid' or not is in the 'eye of the beholder'. My point is he was excluded from the team early on because there were more experienced players ahead of him that deserved a spot, not because he is no good. Now that the experienced players have been given a shot and some have failed/injured, Prismall has been given a chance and he has taken it and will hopefully hold it.

too much midfield depth infront of him, and he was oft injured in 2007.

i think ttc is making the point that selwood forced his way (and stayed) into the team without paying much heed to giving more experienced guys a shot.

i ponder why he was never included ahead of byrnes to try and fill a half forward flank, especially when he can convert set shots.

You're right about the midfield depth and his injury. Selwood was able to force his way into the side because the team was perceived as one in need of revitalisation and a youth boost after 2006. Obviously circumstances are different now having won the premiership last year.

Prismall should have been included ahead of Byrnes from the start of this year IMO, even on the HFF; then we wouldn't be having this conversation because Pris would be a solid contributor in our best 22. Obviously he wasn't because Byrnes is more experienced and as much as it pains me to say; a premiership player.

 

[cool cats]

They were asking him to add some versatility into his game ala Kelly, Bartel,Ablett,Corey,Enright etc....
He was getting into the best because he's a dam good player, just no spots ahead of the above purely as a midfielder.

absolutely agree sarah. cant understand how someone can say that he was being a naughty boy not doing as he was told in the vfl. he couldnt get a game because we have such a great midfield. its not going to take a couple of weeks for a player to work on his versatility. to suggest he wasnt getting a game for any other reason is rubbish.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

Haha, picking you up on a post that was a useless contribution doesn't make me the police TTC, calm down.
Rather than offer an argument to the contrary of the point in question, you attempted to discredit my opinion with a response that was not needed, in which case i felt it necessary to return the favour. I'll keep in mind your sensitivity in future debates.


Prismall should have been included ahead of Byrnes from the start of this year IMO

feeling like i discredited yer opinion was being over-sensitive. seeing fit to itemise a post as sounding sarcastic is being over-sensitive.

you said the staff think he is more than solid. we say then why isn't he playing from the start. then you say, "IMO" he should have been included ahead of byrnes. sounds like the opinion is contrary to what was actually occurring. that. is. all.


haha!! i love these people who throw around the "useless contribution" remarks. its the f__ken innernerd - get over yerselves.

 

[darren forssman]

They have given guys like Byrnes an opportunity to prove themselves at AFL level. It's only recently the selectors have bit the bullet and dropped experienced players (Monica; Byrnes - although he is injured) to allow the younger, more skilful players to prove themselves (Varcs and Pris). It would've been stupid to have played Pris and Varcoe all year ahead of Wojcinski and Byrnes, no?

wojak was rested, not dropped as we all had assumed!!!

 

[thegerman]

IMO the club will go through this process every week, determining what is the best avenue for advantage over the other team rather than sticking with the constantly same team.

That's why I believe we will continue to do what we did from about mid season last year, rotate the last 2 (position 21 and 22), on the team, determined by actual performance. Then also to rest a senior player on a case by case basis.

Actually doing this, as per last year, gave us a significant advantage come finals time. It was a very good strategy of player management.

I see some are pointing here about who is better etc, especially between Byrnes and Prismall. IMO they are different players, with different abilities and positions. What I've stated previously is that we've moved guys like Enright, Mackie, Milburn and Kelly into the midfield but now they have evolved into something else. Surely we can use the same methodology to look for somewhere to put Prismall.

Surely by last weekends game it was shown that he can seriously play when given the time on the ground and some longevity at the top level. I suggest if he keeps that up a number of midtier guys will be looking behind their backs.

Is that any different to what happened last year? Not in my opinion. Therefore the status quo will exist with the club, that the revolving door will be open for some to take a step back and some a step forward. I think that is an awesome player management strategy for us to take us into the GF.

 

[medhurstugun#7]

is prismall sick of not getting a game would he be interested in coming down the highway

like was suggested last year but didny eventuate

collingwood need a player like him and with limited oppurtunities imo he is most likely considering coming to a club where he is more likely to get a game

What do you guys think?

 

[Rubberducky]

wojak was rested, not dropped as we all had assumed!!!

Interesting though that he was 'rested' but Sanderson made the point of mentioning he had 4 goals kicked on him against the Roo's....

I'm not saying his 'hamstring tightness' is a lie, I just wonder if it would keep him out of the side if Prismall wasn't ready to step up?

The great part for Prismall is that we looked to 'fit him' into the structure, the very point that many made last year was that a player of his skills should fit into the side, he's now made that push, whether he can earn that spot and others can play there roles is what we'll continue to work out...

I'm wrapped in his game last week, and whilst I don't think he's stronger than the other midfielders if he can prove to be versatile he could prove to be in the best 22...

 

[Vegas.]

Wojac was dropped.

 

[cat_fanatic]

you said the staff think he is more than solid. we say then why isn't he playing from the start. then you say, "IMO" he should have been included ahead of byrnes. sounds like the opinion is contrary to what was actually occurring. that. is. all.

What is your opinion?

 

[cat_fanatic]

is prismall sick of not getting a game would he be interested in coming down the highway

like was suggested last year but didny eventuate

collingwood need a player like him and with limited oppurtunities imo he is most likely considering coming to a club where he is more likely to get a game

What do you guys think?

That is the rummer, although he is getting a game at the moment; guess we will have to wait and see how he goes getting a game for the rest of the year... many clubs will be looking to secure him though.

 

[thegerman]

Interesting though that he was 'rested' but Sanderson made the point of mentioning he had 4 goals kicked on him against the Roo's....

I'm not saying his 'hamstring tightness' is a lie, I just wonder if it would keep him out of the side if Prismall wasn't ready to step up?

The great part for Prismall is that we looked to 'fit him' into the structure, the very point that many made last year was that a player of his skills should fit into the side, he's now made that push, whether he can earn that spot and others can play there roles is what we'll continue to work out...

I'm wrapped in his game last week, and whilst I don't think he's stronger than the other midfielders if he can prove to be versatile he could prove to be in the best 22...

Rubberducky, totally agree with you. I've been discussing this point for sometime now. 'Structure' like any company or organisation can be changed, if the player or employee wants to.

If Prismall can be versatile, like Enright, Mackie, Milburn and Kelly (all were midfielders when drafted), then he easily has a spot in the best 22 mainly due to his superior disposal.

Can this be done for Pris, who knows. However if he continues his present form, can you drop him?