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I understand that mistakes can be made, everyone makes them after all.

BUT, calling something that doesn't exist and then explaining it wrong, showing you don't know the rules, is shocking.

I'm talking about the Glass side-push where Glass said 'it was in the side' and the ump says 'it doesn't matter'.
 
It was probably that stupid ump Sully or what ever he calls himself.
That guy seriously needs a new job as he has been giving away shit free kicks all day... Im not complaining though seeing WC were recieving them all but it does wreck a game of footy when they cant umpire fairly.
 
BarcaRulz said:
I understand that mistakes can be made, everyone makes them after all.

BUT, calling something that doesn't exist and then explaining it wrong, showing you don't know the rules, is shocking.

I'm talking about the Glass side-push where Glass said 'it was in the side' and the ump says 'it doesn't matter'.
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Its a disgrace, Id go as far to say - that the umpire should get the
sack, because its enough to change the course of the game.

Also, he just called play on when Lynch marked it, went about 25 metres
and he calls play on, he likes WC about as much as Brian Taylor does..
 

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In the Tigers Demon game today the umpire clearly said "he attempted to kick the ball" while being tackled ... who gives a rats he actually didn't kick the ball and it should be an incorrect disposal
As has been said they seem to be justifying there incorrect decisions with some half arsed reason
 
CQTiger said:
In the Tigers Demon game today the umpire clearly said "he attempted to kick the ball" while being tackled ... who gives a rats he actually didn't kick the ball and it should be an incorrect disposal
As has been said they seem to be justifying there incorrect decisions with some half arsed reason
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CQTiger - this might clarify it...

15.2.3-b
has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if,
upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly
Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after
being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.


Don't worry - it's one that a lot of people get wrong.
 
Situation like that would usually end up being play on or a field bounce. Just shows how rooted the game is becoming when its easier to understand a volume on tax law rather than the rules of the game...
 
Willow_2000 said:
It was probably that stupid ump Sully or what ever he calls himself.
That guy seriously needs a new job as he has been giving away shit free kicks all day... Im not complaining though seeing WC were recieving them all but it does wreck a game of footy when they cant umpire fairly.
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It was actually number 24, the same umpire who paid a mark then balled it up because he made a mistake when Williams dropped it.

Was grateful for the Hill free kick as you say all the sh1tty ones seemed to favour your side but then why wasn't the same free paid in the last quarter when Hill was pushed out again even further?

Didn't cost us the game but makes it hard when you are already chasing tails.
 
The problem with umpiring is that the rules are made with too many conditions to a rule and therefore decisionmaking is open to misinterpretation due to the need to make instant decisions in situations where the game is moving at such a fast pace.
The rules must be simplified to remove the ifs and buts.
Same goes for reports and MRP findings . If a player strikes another it should be an automatic finding of guilty , not subject to whether the srike was soft or hard.
 
the thing i find the most annoying is that fans think the free kick count should be about level at the end of a game...wot a heap of rubbish that is!!!!!! i hear too mant people whinge...for example" the free kicks were 9 to 3 that quarter". So what??!! free kick counts mean nothing to an ump as they call they call it as they see it. get to the ball first and youll have nothing to worry about...
 
I've found that in matches free kick counts are usually similar (not necessarily identical though) or miles apart. One trend when 2 uneven teams are playing each other is that the lack of comparative skills means that one team is giving away a few more frees than the other. This in turn leads to frustration on their part and all of a sudden they give a few more silly ones. All of a sudden it's snowballed and become really lop-sided.
 
Willow_2000 said:
It was probably that stupid ump Sully or what ever he calls himself.
That guy seriously needs a new job as he has been giving away shit free kicks all day... Im not complaining though seeing WC were recieving them all but it does wreck a game of footy when they cant umpire fairly.
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EPIC FAIL...... Not Sully.
 

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BarcaRulz said:
I understand that mistakes can be made, everyone makes them after all.

BUT, calling something that doesn't exist and then explaining it wrong, showing you don't know the rules, is shocking.

I'm talking about the Glass side-push where Glass said 'it was in the side' and the ump says 'it doesn't matter'.
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The umpire in question did not have a good game IMO. I don't say that too often but I agree, his explanation and interpretation was wrong. What made it even worse was the "AFL Official" who agreed with it!
Glass never pushed the player, he actually out muscled him and nudged the player in the side. Should have been play on.
 
I guess no umpire would admit it and in fact would not consiously do it but I wonder how much influence the home crowd screaming "ball" has, particularly as it is one of the more delayed descisions as the player holds onto the ball longer and longer. (I am not suggesting this at top level AFL-more greass roots)
I always get the feeling umpires enjoy that free as they fling their arms downward and outward and crowd roars there approval:thumbsu:
 
fan09 said:
the thing i find the most annoying is that fans think the free kick count should be about level at the end of a game...wot a heap of rubbish that is!!!!!! i hear too mant people whinge...for example" the free kicks were 9 to 3 that quarter". So what??!! free kick counts mean nothing to an ump as they call they call it as they see it. get to the ball first and youll have nothing to worry about...
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for hawks fans, we dont do this, we actually watch the game, think we get a rough deal, and at the end of the game it is always a mile apart, backing our claims.

Sure, sometimes we deserve it, but there is a saying that the team that is first to the ball should be rewarded, and for most of last yr, we were first to the ball, and were being penalised.
 
CQTiger said:
I guess no umpire would admit it and in fact would not consiously do it but I wonder how much influence the home crowd screaming "ball" has, particularly as it is one of the more delayed descisions as the player holds onto the ball longer and longer. (I am not suggesting this at top level AFL-more greass roots)
I always get the feeling umpires enjoy that free as they fling their arms downward and outward and crowd roars there approval:thumbsu:
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Obviously not much because there was an absolute blatant one that wasn't paid to the Eagles in the last quarter where the Bulldog player had run about 10 metres, got tackled from behind and just through the ball away.
 
Willow_2000 said:
It was probably that stupid ump Sully or what ever he calls himself.
That guy seriously needs a new job as he has been giving away shit free kicks all day... Im not complaining though seeing WC were recieving them all but it does wreck a game of footy when they cant umpire fairly.
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Was Craig Hendrie, Made a fool of himself and the AFLUA. Fairly certain he'll be dropped.

Mitchell Madness said:
for hawks fans, we dont do this, we actually watch the game, think we get a rough deal, and at the end of the game it is always a mile apart, backing our claims.

Sure, sometimes we deserve it, but there is a saying that the team that is first to the ball should be rewarded, and for most of last yr, we were first to the ball, and were being penalised.
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How many times did Mitchell get pinned when was clearly high or in the back!!
 
west coast vs bulldogs one of the worst games ive seen for umpiring. It was bias either way it was just terrible calls. How was it a ball up when i player failed to make a mark, even though the whistle had been blown? shouldn it just been play on? Glass got robbed, thats was fair contested footy. Kerr was stiff aswell, its getting ridiculous so much so its hard to watch. umpires are whistle happy on the 50s aswell
 

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I didn't see the incident, but it's definitely is a free kick if a player pushes or bumps in the side then attempts to mark the ball in a second action.

Whether the ball is within 5, 10, 15 metres doesn't come into it at all.

I couldn't believe it when Gerald Healy (On the Couch) believed that players could push in the side within 15m. Don't know where he plucked that one from..

Nothing has changed in the last 30 years.
 
WB154 said:
The problem with umpiring is that the rules are made with too many conditions to a rule and therefore decisionmaking is open to misinterpretation due to the need to make instant decisions in situations where the game is moving at such a fast pace.
The rules must be simplified to remove the ifs and buts.
Same goes for reports and MRP findings . If a player strikes another it should be an automatic finding of guilty , not subject to whether the srike was soft or hard.
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The world is black and white? There are very good reasons why 'ifs and buts' exist - to make the game playable & watchable being first and foremost. Ask players (and other spectators) if they prefer games where every tiny infringement is penalised or games which umps let flow and only award 'significant' transgressions. Anecdotal evidence suggests most will plump for the latter.
 
Bob_vic said:
I didn't see the incident, but it's definitely is a free kick if a player pushes or bumps in the side then attempts to mark the ball in a second action.

Whether the ball is within 5, 10, 15 metres doesn't come into it at all.

I couldn't believe it when Gerald Healy (On the Couch) believed that players could push in the side within 15m. Don't know where he plucked that one from..

Nothing has changed in the last 30 years.
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I guess you didn't.

Was just making a contest and out muscled him. Happens several times a game. Never seen it called before.
 
Bob_vic said:
Nothing has changed in the last 30 years.
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Bob_vic said:
The umpire knew the rules but made in error in judgement.
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If he knew the rules like you say, how was his explanation in relation to the free paid, incorrect? :confused:

I've played something like 13-14 years of footy. Basically all of it at full back, full forward and centre half forward. I can't think of one time I've been paid a free against, or for, something almost identical. The only time I can think of is if I'm being shepherded, or shepherding out of a contest...

So you tell me what hasn't changed in the last 30 years? :confused: I remember Simmonds a few years back being paid a free against for basically the exact same thing. Except he just stepped in front from the side of his opponent, and his opponent bounced off his side. Gieschen said it was a correct call on fox footy channel at the time.

So yeah, I do not buy your spin about nothing changing in the last 30 years.
 

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