Opinion Top 10 Overrated and Underrated Players

[smiddaz123]

Black is only ahead by one spot. Black is phenomenal in close, one of the best decision makers I have seen. Buckley probably had better skills, but Black just always seems to have a lot of time and space to execute.
1. Hird
2. Lockett
3. Carey
4. Cousins
5. Voss
6. Black
7. Buckley
8. McLeod
9. Tredrea
10. Judd

Black is probably the best in close in that list, obviously. But at the same time, that aspect of Buckley's game was under rated. He came into the AFL with that aspect of his game lacking, so it was difficult for him to shake off that reputation. His inside game developed superbly.

Buckley had better skills for sure, both feet, perfect disposal. His kicking technique is unrivaled. Black probably has better handballing skills though.

Also, Buckley had the ability to play a KP role at either end at an elite level, something which Black isn't able to do.

Black's decision making, composure etc is obviously superb, but I can't see how it can be put on a level above Buckley's.

1: Hird
2: Carey
3: Lockett
4: Buckley
5: Voss

IMO.

 

[AG]

All valid points smiddaz. I guess it's just personal preference.

 

[Godzke]

Black is only ahead by one spot. Black is phenomenal in close, one of the best decision makers I have seen. Buckley probably had better skills, but Black just always seems to have a lot of time and space to execute.
1. Hird
2. Lockett
3. Carey
4. Cousins
5. Voss
6. Black
7. Buckley
8. McLeod
9. Tredrea
10. Judd

I would've had Ablett snr at the top and then almost identical list going down. May sound bias, but I cannot fathom any forward since the days of Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett being better than Lloyd. Sure he's no where near his best now, but I think people continue to put him down in the same way people forget how good Buckley was.

I'm tempted to say you haven't seen much football before 2002, but you've named Lockett, so surely you remember lloyd's absolute dominance from 2000-2004/5. Three coleman medals and still a decent contributer in the last few years... up there as one of the most accurate kicks at goal in the game, even if his accuracy is waning these days.

Considering this list is focused on mostly the last decade, any list in this timeframe excluding any bloke who has almost kicked 1000 goals (in a team that has not been dominant for 4-5 years) is disappointing.

 

[AG]

Don't remember much of Ablett. 1995 is my first year of watching football. I remember a lot of Lockett and Carey because I go for Sydney and North were a dominant team so I saw those two sides the most growing up in the 90's. While I didn't see either for some of their best years, what I saw of them was enough for me to rate them both in the best 3 players I have seen.

 

[smiddaz123]

Agreed about Lloyd. He's certainly be in my top 10.

 

[AG]

I'm tempted to say you haven't seen much football before 2002, but you've named Lockett, so surely you remember lloyd's absolute dominance from 2000-2004/5. Three coleman medals and still a decent contributer in the last few years... up there as one of the most accurate kicks at goal in the game, even if his accuracy is waning these days.

Good one. If you think Lloyd is ahead of Lockett, maybe I should say that to you.

 

[Godzke]

I would've had Ablett snr at the top and then almost identical list going down. May sound bias, but I cannot fathom any forward since the days of Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett being better than Lloyd.

Good one. If you think Lloyd is ahead of Lockett, maybe I should say that to you.

 

[AG]

I would've had Ablett snr at the top and then almost identical list going down.

Why would you make that comment and then go on about me not rating Lloyd. Doesn't that mean you don't rate Lloyd as highly as you say you do. He would be in my top 20 but not my top 10.

 

[Godzke]

Why would you make that comment and then go on about me not rating Lloyd. Doesn't that mean you don't rate Lloyd as highly as you say you do. He would be in my top 20 but not my top 10.

i did say "almost" ... as there are 8 or so other names on that list of 10 that i whole heartedly agree with.

But tredrea > lloyd is a mistake

 

[AG]

i did say "almost" ... as there are 8 or so other names on that list of 10 that i whole heartedly agree with.

But tredrea > lloyd is a mistake

Oh, I get you now.
CHF is a harder position to play and Tredrea was the best I have seen since Carey, so he is in the top 10. I loved watching him tear it up from about 2000-2004, he was a superstar. Lloyd is too but I just enjoyed watching Tredrea more and thought he could dominate a game more often. Injuries have hurt both players in the latter stages of their careers, but both are champions of the game.

 

[Godzke]

Oh, I get you now.
CHF is a harder position to play and Tredrea was the best I have seen since Carey, so he is in the top 10. I loved watching him tear it up from about 2000-2004, he was a superstar. Lloyd is too but I just enjoyed watching Tredrea more and thought he could dominate a game more often. Injuries have hurt both players in the latter stages of their careers, but both are champions of the game.

I agree about CHF. Probably THE hardest position to play. I just think Lloyd has had a bigger impact on the game I guess.

 

[farlacious]

Chris Grant anyone? Bulldogs best player ever imo. Scott West is another one who doesn't get alot of recognition for his service.

For me

1.Voss
2.Carey
3.Ablett Snr.
4.Lockett
5.Hird
6.Grant
7.Judd
8.Buckley
9.Lloyd
10.Akermanis (Best kick with both feet I've ever seen)

West, Dunstall, Lloyd would be next three, but not sure which order. Back on topic though.

Overrated:
1.Dale Thomas
2.Clint Jones (How does he get a game, I'll never know)
3.Russell Robertson
4.Des Headland (Does very little, and has done very little, since coming to Perth from Brisbane)
5.Brent Harvey (All the simple, outside, skirting round the back possies. Never goes and gets it himself)
6.Mcleod (Particularly this season, hasn't done very much at all)
7.Danyle Pearce (See Harvey)
8.Josh Fraser (Not nearly as good as what people make him out to be. Towelled up by Ryder in Ryder's first game in the ruck for a long, long time)
9.Sandilands (Gets the tap, that's about it. Should be dominating, particularly when going forward, with his height)
10.Cyril Rioli (Contentious I know, but he's no star yet... Give him a few years, then he might be)
Eagleton just outside top 10 here.

Underrated:
1. Matthew Boyd
2. Andrew Mackie
3. Cale Morton
4. Jed Adcock
5. Steven Salopek
6. James Kelly
7. Jude Bolton
8. Scott Thompson
9. Hamish McIntosh
10. Jordan Lewis

Others to miss out: Shane Tuck, Will Minson, Ben Hudson, Harry Taylor, Michael Osborne, Harry O'Brien

 

[chrisap2]

Best I've seen (i started really watching footy in about '02)

1. Hird
2. Voss
3. Buckley
4. Black
5. Judd
6. Ricciuto
7. Lloyd
8. Cousins
9. Tredrea
10. West

 

[gaz15]

Best I've seen (i started really watching footy in about '02)

1. Hird
2. Voss
3. Buckley
4. Black
5. Judd
6. Ricciuto
7. Lloyd
8. Cousins
9. Tredrea
10. West

Geez, a lot of love for lloyd here, so im assuming most of these people are 25 or under.

1. Ablett
2. Carey
3. Hird
4. Dunstall- my bias puts him before lockett- much more unselfish too.
5. Voss
6. buckley
7. G. Williams
8. Lockett
9. Harvey
10. J. Brown

if your talking since 95

1. Carey
2. Hird
3. Voss
4. Buckley
5. Harvey
6. J Brown
7. Judd
8. Crawford
9. ricciuto
10. Black
11. lloyd

The reason i dont have treadrea is simple. He was only good for 3-4 years, and even then i thougt he was slightly over rated.
Remember this is off the top of my head.

 

[AG]

The reason i dont have treadrea is simple. He was only good for 3-4 years, and even then i thougt he was slightly over rated.
Remember this is off the top of my head.

Brown has only been good since 2007. Tredrea played at an A grade level for longer. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[Godzke]

Geez, a lot of love for lloyd here, so im assuming most of these people are 25 or under.

1. Ablett
2. Carey
3. Hird
4. Dunstall- my bias puts him before lockett- much more unselfish too.
5. Voss
6. buckley
7. G. Williams
8. Lockett
9. Harvey
10. J. Brown

if your talking since 95

1. Carey
2. Hird
3. Voss
4. Buckley
5. Harvey
6. J Brown
7. Judd
8. Crawford
9. ricciuto
10. Black
11. lloyd

The reason i dont have treadrea is simple. He was only good for 3-4 years, and even then i thougt he was slightly over rated.
Remember this is off the top of my head.

Brown has only been good since 2007. Tredrea played at an A grade level for longer. That's how I see it anyway.

yeah i agree with AG ... sure he's had some strong seasons but only a few.

 

[smiddaz123]

I'm amazed someone can put J Brown ahead of Lloyd....

 

[AG]

I'm amazed someone can put J Brown ahead of Lloyd....

I guess because he appeals to bogans. I'm not calling everyone who rates him a bogan, it just seems that because he is popular in the media it automatically translates into his playing ability.

 

[gaz15]

I guess because he appeals to bogans. I'm not calling everyone who rates him a bogan, it just seems that because he is popular in the media it automatically translates into his playing ability.

Maybe im a bogan then- but the only area lloyd is better than Brown is kicking for goal, even then Brown is not far behind.

 

[AG]

Maybe im a bogan then- but the only area lloyd is better than Brown is kicking for goal, even then Brown is not far behind.

What? He's only got 500 goals to catch up in a few years. To me that is a long way behind.

 

[gaz15]

What? He's only got 500 goals to catch up in a few years. To me that is a long way behind.

Im talking kicking for goal- as in accuracy.
Brown is a better mark, more courageous, better handball, a better leader and has more of a presence.
Dont get me wrong, lloyd is a champ- but Brown is just a better footballer. Brown has played CHF for the first 5 years of his career too. 01-05. And has been A grade since 03.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Lol at the guy that put Jones as 2nd most overrated.

He's one of the best taggers in the comp at the moment, and has been one of our most improved players this year. Also his efficiency is hugely underrated, and people seem to think he still kicks it like he did in early 2008.

 

[ShowMeTheMonfrie]

jonathon brown is probably a better player than lloyd but in terms of consistency and output lloyd would rate a lot higher. full forwards are rare in the game today and i guess we forget just how important they used to be and how good it used to be to watch a lloyd or dunstall or lockett mark powerfully from a straight strong lead and just pencil it in for 6 points.

my criticism of players like reiwoldt and brown is that they lead into the wings and often have set shots from impossible angles. its far easier to do and you got to appreciate a player who will run into traffic and make the contest his.

on the other topic the most overrated player in the AFL by an absolute stretch is the Geelong captain Mr Tom Harley. there are absolutely no good aspects of his game and his leadership is terrible. if i was him i would be slapping mooney with fines and suspensions. if they lose it this year which i think they might its down to him

 

[AG]

on the other topic the most overrated player in the AFL by an absolute stretch is the Geelong captain Mr Tom Harley. there are absolutely no good aspects of his game and his leadership is terrible. if i was him i would be slapping mooney with fines and suspensions. if they lose it this year which i think they might its down to him

You can question his playing ability, but you can't question his leadership. You would have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. He led them to a premiership so he must be pretty good. I consider Brett Kirk one of the best captains of the past few years, but just because he can't keep Barry Hall in check doesn't mean he is a bad leader. Some players like Hall and Mooney just never learn regardless of who is leading.

 

[ShowMeTheMonfrie]

cant argue with the fact he (tom Harley) led geelong to a flag and also a grand final loss and maybe to question his leadership skills is a bit of a stretch because i obviously dont know what goes on behind close doors and dont claim to. However, there have been instances where i feel he doesnt lead through his football by never picking up a man, being a cheap kick, release back man, always goes for the mark not the punch

also how g ablett junior decides he is too good for the team and refuses to watch them play when he is injured/rested disgusts me. a good captain wouldnt let that happen no matter how good you are.

just my opinion