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Top 10 Players of the Decade

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Pretty Hard but here it is:

1) S Black - Most Consistent, 3 Flags, 3 B & Fs (2 in Flag years), Norm Smith, Brownlow, AA and still in best 3 mids in game today. Absoulte Champion.

2) M Voss - Best Leader, could of been 1 but Black has played longer.
3) C Judd- Absoulte freak,changed the way midfielders want to play in todays game.
4) M Hird- Could play anywhere this guy, couragous, one of the best.
5) N Riewoldt - Best forward over the last decade, numerous B&Fs.
6) B Cousins - Despite the drugs, can't deny how good of a midfielder he was.
7) M Riccuto - Crows best ever player, matchwinner in the centre and up forward
8) M Scarlett - Best defender this decade, great matchup if he played in the King Carey Era in the 90s.
9) G Ablett - The best in game today
10) A Goodes - Most flexible player over the decade. Can't deny his talent despite the dodgy brownlow votes.

Next in line - Buckley, Cox, West, Brown, LLoyd,
 
Roos34 said:
Pretty Hard but here it is:

1) S Black - Most Consistent, 3 Flags, 3 B & Fs (2 in Flag years), Norm Smith, Brownlow, AA and still in best 3 mids in game today. Absoulte Champion.

2) M Voss - Best Leader, could of been 1 but Black has played longer.
3) C Judd- Absoulte freak,changed the way midfielders want to play in todays game.
4) M Hird- Could play anywhere this guy, couragous, one of the best.
5) N Riewoldt - Best forward over the last decade, numerous B&Fs.
6) B Cousins - Despite the drugs, can't deny how good of a midfielder he was.
7) M Riccuto - Crows best ever player, matchwinner in the centre and up forward
8) M Scarlett - Best defender this decade, great matchup if he played in the King Carey Era in the 90s.
9) G Ablett - The best in game today
10) A Goodes - Most flexible player over the decade. Can't deny his talent despite the dodgy brownlow votes.

Next in line - Buckley, Cox, West, Brown, LLoyd,
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I like your list but for Riewoldt at 5. IMO both Tredrea and Lloyd have been better forwards this decade. Riewoldt was great in 2004 and 2009, but his output was markedly lower in the other years.
 
This needs to be judged alone on TOTAL QUALITY OUTPUT over the decade. To base it on talent alone would catapult the likes Carey to the top of the list even though he was a shadow of himself this decade. While Voss, Hird, Buckley and Harvey were brilliant across both the 90s and 00s, they unfortunately fail to make the grade in a list that judges total output from 2000-2009 inclusive.

For example the if you tally the accumulated Brownlow votes during this decade and gave an extra 10 votes for each AA selection, here's how the list would end up:

1. Simon Black (182)
2. Chris Judd (162)
3. Andrew McLeod (161)
4. Scott West (153)
5. Adam Goodes (152)
6. Ben Cousins (149)
7. Matthew Pavlich (149)
8. Mark Ricciuto (146)
9. Nick Riewoldt (127)
10. Michael Voss (126)

11. Gary Ablett (121)
12. Jason Akermanis (117)
13. Jonathan Brown (111)
14. Brad Johnson (111)
15. Warren Tredrea (109)
16. James Hird (108)
17. Simon Goodwin (108)
18. Nathan Buckley (102)

IMO, this looks like a fairly accurate list.
 

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AlibiMonday said:
For example the if you tally the accumulated Brownlow votes during this decade and gave an extra 10 votes for each AA selection, here's how the list would end up:

1. Simon Black (182)
2. Chris Judd (162)
3. Andrew McLeod (161)
4. Scott West (153)
5. Adam Goodes (152)
6. Ben Cousins (149)
7. Matthew Pavlich (149)
8. Mark Ricciuto (146)
9. Nick Riewoldt (127)
10. Michael Voss (126)

11. Gary Ablett (121)
12. Jason Akermanis (117)
13. Jonathan Brown (111)
14. Brad Johnson (111)
15. Warren Tredrea (109)
16. James Hird (108)
17. Simon Goodwin (108)
18. Nathan Buckley (102)

IMO, this looks like a fairly accurate list.
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So under your system an All-Australian guernsey is worth a smidgeon over the equivalent of 3 BOGs in a 22 game season?

In that case you'll be happy to know that Darren Hulme and Peter Walsh's 2001 seasons were equal to the likes of Warren Tredrea and Andrew McLeod's.

You get the picture.
 
dyertribe said:
So under your system an All-Australian guernsey is worth a smidgeon over the equivalent of 3 BOGs in a 22 game season?

In that case you'll be happy to know that Darren Hulme and Peter Walsh's 2001 seasons were equal to the likes of Warren Tredrea and Andrew McLeod's.

You get the picture.
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No, because both Tredrea and McLeod also collected Brownlow votes that season.
 
Arbitrary system is arbitrary.

Peter Walsh's 11 Brownlow votes in 2001 are worth more than any single one of Warren Tredrea's 4 AA CHF gongs.
 
dyertribe said:
Arbitrary system is arbitrary.

Peter Walsh's 11 Brownlow votes in 2001 are worth more than any single one of Warren Tredrea's 4 AA CHF gongs.
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I understand what you're trying to illustrate and you're correct regarding any system, but if your focus here is to nitpick selective areas where the umpires deemed a player to be influential on a game - no list is going to stand up to any scrutiny. The list is trying to be as objective as possible, it's never going to be perfect. But by spreading the numbers over a decade, the quality finds it's way to the top, as Tredrea has in this list. By putting an additional bonus on AA selection means that the judgement is spread between both umpires and footballing peers. 10 extra votes is an arbitrary figure, considering the weighting between AA selection and Brownlow votes, what would you suggest instead of 10? 15? 20?
 
Scotland said:
Hird's last game (in 2007) saw him rack up a lazy 34 touches and a goal and pick up a Brownlow vote. He was hardly a spent force post 2000 and is a walk up start for the list.

Cousins over Ablett? Easy.

2000: 25 possessions a game in a side which won 7 games, 8 Brownlow votes.
2001: Leading possession winner in the AFL H&A season in a side which won 5 games, 18 Brownlow votes, B&F, AA.
2002: 550+ disposals, 16 Brownlow votes, B&F, AA.
2003: 500+ disposals, 21 Brownlow votes, B&F.
2004: Bright start, injured in the second half of the year.
2005: 600+ disposals, 20 Brownlow votes, Brownlow medalist, AA, B&F.
2006: 550+ disposals, 13 Brownlow votes, AA.

If anyone can show me a 7 year period where Ablett performed at the above level, I will gladly concede Cousins status above him this decade.
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Love it. 2000: Not that impressive. 2004: Bright start? These are included in your 7 years of dominance?
 

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Mark Robinsons Essendon bias is showing through. Lloyd had 2 or 3 really good seasons as a dominant forward and then a whole heap of decent ones. Nick Riewoldt is a much better forward as is Tredrea.

I think Riccuto was unlucky and Goodes likewise. James Hird is in the 10 but his best football was in the 90's so number 2 is very high. It just comes down to personal bias though with some writers
 
It seems to be a list of "the ten best players I saw play a game or two during the past ten years". Rather than the ten best players over the course of the last ten years. Surprised he didn't have Wayne Carey on the list.
 
manboob said:
It seems to be a list of "the ten best players I saw play a game or two during the past ten years". Rather than the ten best players over the course of the last ten years. Surprised he didn't have Wayne Carey on the list.
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Agree, like my post above, the fact he thinks Lloyd who had a couple of good seasons and a lot of average ones is better than Ablett, Goodes, Riewoldt, Ricutto etc is bordering on lunacy... Like I said though MR is a massive Essendon fan and it often shows in his writing
 
AlibiMonday said:
This needs to be judged alone on TOTAL QUALITY OUTPUT over the decade. To base it on talent alone would catapult the likes Carey to the top of the list even though he was a shadow of himself this decade. While Voss, Hird, Buckley and Harvey were brilliant across both the 90s and 00s, they unfortunately fail to make the grade in a list that judges total output from 2000-2009 inclusive.

For example the if you tally the accumulated Brownlow votes during this decade and gave an extra 10 votes for each AA selection, here's how the list would end up:

1. Simon Black (182)
2. Chris Judd (162)
3. Andrew McLeod (161)
4. Scott West (153)
5. Adam Goodes (152)
6. Ben Cousins (149)
7. Matthew Pavlich (149)
8. Mark Ricciuto (146)
9. Nick Riewoldt (127)
10. Michael Voss (126)

11. Gary Ablett (121)
12. Jason Akermanis (117)
13. Jonathan Brown (111)
14. Brad Johnson (111)
15. Warren Tredrea (109)
16. James Hird (108)
17. Simon Goodwin (108)
18. Nathan Buckley (102)

IMO, this looks like a fairly accurate list.
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you need to give more weighting to AA guernseys as defenders like Scarlett and fletcher hardly get any brownlow votes which would be the only major flaw in your system.
 
rainman06 said:
Fail on more levels than i care to explain.
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Please... go ahead......


I selected my team based on output over the duration of the decade. Simply being a great player who happened to play in the decade is not enough. Players like Black, Cousins, Goodes, Pavlich and Scarlett head the top of my list because they were lucky enough to play at their peak almost exclusively in this decade.

Players like Hird, Buckley, Voss, Riccutio etc did not and appear lower down the list or not at all.

Ablett, Judd, Reiwoldt all played at their peak during this decade but they were also finding their feet as average players at one stage (Judd, possibly a slight exception to this).

So please... go ahead and explain how/why you disagree and maybe post your own list.

1. Simon Black
2. Ben Cousins
3. Adam Goodes
4. Matthew Pavlich
5. Matthew Scarlett
6. Chris Judd
7. Garry Ablett
8. Nick Reiwoldt
9. James Hird
10. Michael Voss
 

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1. Simon Black
2. Ben Cousins
3. Adam Goodes
4. Chris Judd
5. Matthew Scarlett
6. Matthew Pavlich
7. Michael Voss
8. Mark Ricciuto
9. Warren Tredrea
10. Jason Akermanis
11. Nick Riewoldt
12. Gary Ablett
13. James Hird
14. Andrew McLeod
15. Jonathan Brown
16. Brad Johnson
17. Matthew Lloyd
18. Scott West
19. Nathan Buckley
20. Simon Goodwin

Agree with MalFan's top 6 players.

Hird and Buckley would be closer to the top of the list in the 90's. Lloyd is probably the hardest to judge.
 
The fact i am seeing Hird so low down on the list on many peoples top 10s is very disturbing.....

Sure do what you want with Lloyd(not top 10 imo) but surely Hird was at least in the top 5? That's a joke if he's not IMO
 
theboxmike said:
The fact i am seeing Hird so low down on the list on many peoples top 10s is very disturbing.....

Sure do what you want with Lloyd(not top 10 imo) but surely Hird was at least in the top 5? That's a joke if he's not IMO
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He retired in 2007 and missed a lot of football due to injury prior to that. Was he one of the best players to have played in the decade? Definitely. Did he achieve as much or influence his teams success in that decade as much as a Ben Cousins or Simon Black? No

If I was going to select a list based purely on which great players happened to play in this decade then Hird would be very close to the top of the list but then I'd also have Tony Lockett and Wayne Carey in my list.
 
HyperAgressiveDonk said:
Agree, like my post above, the fact he thinks Lloyd who had a couple of good seasons and a lot of average ones is better than Ablett, Goodes, Riewoldt, Ricutto etc is bordering on lunacy... Like I said though MR is a massive Essendon fan and it often shows in his writing
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100+, 100+, 90+, 90+, 60+,60+, 50*, 14* and 35

*Broke his arm and tore hamstring off the bone in separate seasons

Two 100 goal seasons, two 90 goal seasons, two 60 goal seasons - thats total domination. Averaged over 70 goals per season for the decade.

If anything, Lloydy is a bit low on that list. You're hatred of him is quite transparent.
 
Smyth94 said:
100+, 100+, 90+, 90+, 60+,60+, 50*, 14* and 35

*Broke his arm and tore hamstring off the bone in separate seasons

Two 100 goal seasons, two 90 goal seasons, two 60 goal seasons - thats total domination. Averaged over 70 goals per season for the decade.

If anything, Lloydy is a bit low on that list. You're hatred of him is quite transparent.
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Meh. He only averaged 43 goals in his last 4 years (regardless of where he played that is the stat) and only managed 47 in 2002. 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2004, he was great. So he had 4 stand out years in 10 years of football. Is it enough to get him in the top ten? Probably not, but he goes close.
 
theboxmike said:
The fact i am seeing Hird so low down on the list on many peoples top 10s is very disturbing.....

Sure do what you want with Lloyd(not top 10 imo) but surely Hird was at least in the top 5? That's a joke if he's not IMO
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It's because 4 of Hird's best years were not in this decade. The fact that Essendon supporters can't navigate this fact is very disturbing. No one's saying he wasn't a great player, but his "decade" was largely between 1995 - 2005, like Buckley and Voss.
 

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