Team v Hawthorn

[Ben the Gooner]

I have watched with great interest when is he going to turn it all around.. But every time I see him play he has looked slow and cumbersome in that big frame of his and have hardly seen anything that suggests he is going to be a week in week out player in our best 22..

I have seen enough of him at both Essendon level and Bendigo level to think that he is not going to make it..

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17905147&postcount=122

 

[Yoda_]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17905147&postcount=122

With a hint of sarcasm

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...

That's ridiculous.

What if he hits Hird-like heights. Will you still be a naysayer?

 

[bacon buster]

second week in a row i've been disappointed with the selections.

can't see us winning this game with this team.

 

[Dkid]

I don't think speed is his issue, he's extremely "tight in the hips" as the yanks like to say. He struggles to move at speed laterally and change direction. Big summer of pilates and yoga to improve flexability i would suggest.

Drooling at this prospect. Would seriously help imo

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I have watched with great interest when is he going to turn it all around.. But every time I see him play he has looked slow and cumbersome in that big frame of his and have hardly seen anything that suggests he is going to be a week in week out player in our best 22..

I have seen enough of him at both Essendon level and Bendigo level to think that he is not going to make it.. He made his name (in under 18 level) as a HBF, yet he is not good enough to make it at AFL level (proven by many failed games there) and I feel, has too much ground to make up on the solid midfielders (learning all the intricacies of being an AFL midfielder) whilst adding to that the aforementioned slow and cumbersome body physique of him.

I saw his game a couple of weeks ago against the dogs, superb..

Mark Bolton also tore Adam Goodes a new one too

Everyone can play a really good game every once in a while too..

As for the injuries, how many soft tissue injuries has there been? plenty I gather, he needs to learn how to manage them. It is not soley the clubs medico's fault and whilst it is ultimately his decision what he does, he should routinely follow the right path to full health and not return to playing earlier than he should which I think; may have happened on more than one occasion.

well, we'll see. Go Myers!!

 

[Jono B]

Name them.

Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Lance do you believe we have the list to take us to another flag??
If not what needs to be done?

Hi Hulk, I'm sorry I have apparently not answered your question. I didn't realise I hadn't, & am more than happy to do so. I would have in your thread, but it's probably more appropriate here.

In a word, no. I don't think we have the list to take us to the flag. But I'll heavily qualify that statement by saying that I think that YES, we do have much of the talent on our list to win a flag.

I would ask you to look at Geelong circa 2005 where they went through a stringent review, & everyone thought they were crap. Were they? Hell no. Now they have a core list of mature, good players who are, simply, unbelievable.

Would you have suggested their list could have won a flag 5 years ago? I'm betting no. Nor would I.

The point I'm making, is that your question is simply too simplistic, with all due respect. A list today is totally different - apart from the obvious forced changes - from a list next year, because players have grown & matured. Look at Jetta this year. Even Myers, he'll come on, don't you worry. Already showing glimpses now he's injury free. And Gumby. Once he refines his kicking, he'll be a star. We have so much potential talent we could be anything. So do other teams though, but you play the hand you're dealt.

We definitely need a few more pieces of the puzzle. A gun midfielder or two, for starters. But who's to say Melksham and Zaka, for eg, can't become these players in 18 months to 2 years?

We have some of the best KPP talent in the land, & our midfield isn't anything like as bad as some like to make out. With another couple of additions, and the improvement in our already highly talented list, we are not far from having the list that can win a flag.

That's my opinion. Happy to hear your thoughts, but my answer is, not quite, but we could be not far away.

I recognise flaws. But at heart, I am a positive person; I prefer to focus on the positives not the negatives. That's not to say I blindly believe we will always win. But we are building something, & I'm happy to strap on for the ride

 

[Yoda_]

That's ridiculous.

What if he hits Hird-like heights. Will you still be a naysayer?

Supremely confident he will not get there...

 

[Yoda_]

Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

I have not said he has been shit all year.. NOT ONCE!!! I am hopeful, along with everyone that he will become a solid player, the Bulldogs game certainly showed something there, but will it come out on a consistent basis and form part of our best 22?

 

[Kong]

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...

So you're suggesting that no matter how good this guy becomes, you'll slag him off regardless?

There's trying to buck the trend and make a definitive statement on a player, much like Ant used to do around here, and there's just bashing a guy.

 

[Yoda_]

So you're suggesting that no matter how good this guy becomes, you'll slag him off regardless?

There's trying to buck the trend and make a definitive statement on a player, much like Ant used to do around here, and there's just bashing a guy.

OK, so obviously I am going to have to turn it around if he becomes a good player at some point, but as stated previously..

"I am supremely confident he will not get there"

Only time will tell

 

[bombermick]

I don't think the MC have much idea of who is in our best 22. We keep rotating players trying to find that out. Some of it may be due to rotating players, with the aim of keeping it fresh, but IMO a big part is trying to find the right balance and players.

Dempsey is easily best 22, but not if he's forsaking his primary duty, which is to defend. Atkinson has been alright when he's come in and can replace his run off half-back. Hooker can take Lance which can allow Fletch to play more freely. I don't like Lonergan in the side, but who can replace him atm?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Very disappointed re Dempsey. **** last week, we're playing at the G and against Hawks. Dempsey's pace is a must. Myers wasn't that bad against Swans was he?

 

[Yoda_]

I don't think the MC have much idea of who is in our best 22. We keep rotating players trying to find that out. Some of it may be due to rotating players, with the aim of keeping it fresh, but IMO a big part is trying to find the right balance and players.

Dempsey is easily best 22, but not if he's forsaking his primary duty, which is to defend. Atkinson has been alright when he's come in and can replace his run off half-back. Hooker can take Lance which can allow Fletch to play more freely. I don't like Lonergan in the side, but who can replace him atm?

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

 

[Towno78]

Supremely confident he will not get there...

He's only 20, with 20 AFL games experience...
When Jobe was still 20, most had doubts he would make it. I'm sure most still did when he was 22 and 40 games experience. Did you?
The Jet is 21, most had written him off until a month ago, I know I had my doubts. Hell Alwyn wasn't even drafted til he was 23?

All I'm saying is you claim you have seen enough of him to work out if he'll make it. I don't think so. Some players need more time, absolutely no doubt about that.
And you can't say he doesn't have the natural attributes to get there, cos he's got more than Jobe no doubt, i.e speed, footskills.

Anyway, nuff said. Let's see.

Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

I have not said he has been shit all year.. NOT ONCE!!! I am hopeful, along with everyone that he will become a solid player, the Bulldogs game certainly showed something there, but will it come out on a consistent basis and form part of our best 22?

lol. This isn't the HFF vs Myers thread. They were discussing Dempsey

 

[yaco55]

Myers V Prismall? I dont think it is a contest at all. They both play different roles. One is a runner who uses his nous and knowledge of reading the play to win his own ball, whilst the other is supposedly this is in and under type with a booming kick. All in all, you know you are going to get 15 - 20 touches out of Prismal, what are we going to get out of Myers the next time he is in the seniors?

Slattery does all the team things, that is why he is in the team, a player who does it week in week out. I am not sure there is room for both Slatts and Mcveigh, but for unknown purposes, there is.

As for Riemers, he is injured. You would not replace a small defender with an attacking midfielder/forward now... unless you were going to play him in defence?

Reimers has been named in the bendigo team.

I would play Reimers in the Lonergan role - May have lost out on the defensive side but gained in the offensive side.

 

[yaco55]

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

Hff

Definitely agree that Quinn has a few more tricks to his game - He could replace Lonergan - But the more logical replacement ( now ) is Reimers.

 

[yaco55]

A funny threAD - again - Moderators berating another moderator for 'bagging' Myers - I am certain the other moderators have 'bagged' players.

As well as most of the posters - including me.

 

[yaco55]

T.Slattery must be close to getting a game.

Watched him last week for Bendigo- His form is good and he appears ready to be tried at AFL level.

 

[rainman06]

Jesus Christ some of you must be so confident to think you know better than the selection committee.

Every decision that was made could be explained for its pro's and con's but it aint gonna mean shit until after tomorrow night. Lets wait until then before we slag off every decision.

 

[bombre-boy]

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

This is gold!! Great summary...

 

[FandangoDingo]

Probably would have kept Dempsey instead of Melksham.

Probably would have played Myers instead of Welsh. If Welsh isn't playing as a tagger then Myers offers more.

Interesting Hawthorn dropped Peterson, would have been one of the first I picked against us, his type kills us.

Agree with everything here. Peterson out is a real bonus.

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

More points??

T.Slattery must be close to getting a game.

Watched him last week for Bendigo- His form is good and he appears ready to be tried at AFL level.

I've really liked what I've seen of him too. I thought he'd get a run while Hooker was out. Seems he's in the best 3-4 week in, week out at Bendigo, but can't get a senior gig. I really hope he gets some games this year.

I'm disappointed in the selections this week. If the changes are primarily "rotations", as part of the MC's master-type-plan, how did the inclusion of Dyson last week, only to be dropped this week, work into all of this? Seems like they must have got that wrong last week? I think it's understandable that these type of "errors" and other selection inconsistencies can undermine supporters' (and players?) confidence in those that are running the show.

I think confidence is a HUGE element in a young player finding his feet in the AFL. It's MASSIVE! I feel that some of the yo-yo selections of a select number of players (when compared to a select number of other players) is undermining the confidence of some of our young players who are only just finding their place. I'm sure some players respond well to being dropped, but it's more likely to be a player who already feels that he belongs. I'm not sure Myers needed another stint at Bendigo, just before a natural week off. I think we'd all seen the "penny drop" for him a few weeks ago. He's since been shifted out of position to do a job for the team and now gets dropped. Not sure it sends the right message, IMHO.

I'm hoping Dempsey or Myers are late inclusions. Would rather pinch-hit in the ruck this week, especially if it's going to be wet.

Late changes:
OUT: Lonergan & Bellchambers (unlucky)
IN: Dempsey & Myers.

 

[Slattery_20]

Like the ins, but IMHO should have been Lonergan out instead & free Myers up.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

A funny threAD - again - Moderators berating another moderator for 'bagging' Myers - I am certain the other moderators have 'bagged' players.

As well as most of the posters - including me.

What does the fact that I'm a mod and HFF is a mod have to do with it? If you posted that, I'd have said the same thing.