Trade week - the wash-up thread

[Miguel Sanchez]

Continued from earlier thread.

Trades:
McKinley to North for pick 86 (won't be used)
Pick 45 to Collingwood for Josh Fraser compensation pick (to be taken after Collingwood's third round pick in any of the next 5 drafts)

Senior list changes:
Out: Glass (vets list)*, Embley (vets list)*, McKinley (North), Wilkes (delisted), Notte (delisted), Spangher (delisted)*
In: pick 4, pick 26, pick 28, pick 62 (Jacob Brennan, f/s), Strijk (promotion), Wilson (promotion)

 

[Patron]

Continued from earlier thread.

Trades:
McKinley to North for pick 86 (won't be used)
Pick 45 to Collingwood for Josh Fraser compensation pick (to be taken after Collingwood's third round pick in any of the next 5 drafts)

Senior list changes:
Out: Glass (vets list)*, Embley (vets list)*, McKinley (North), Wilkes (delisted), Notte (delisted), Spangher (delisted)*
In: pick 4, pick 26, pick 28, pick 62 (Jacob Brennan, f/s), Strijk (promotion), Wilson (promotion)

OOOO shiny new thread. I really like the ins. but the outs could of been better. by better i mean worse. Jones, hansen, nicoski, Mginnity i would get rid of before any of the above and stevenson. The club has shown too much faith in these players. I know some are contracted but still would of liked to pay out one or two of them im sure we could of had the room.

I do like trading pick 45 for a future pick which will be used at a higher spot especially since we werent going to use it.

Other than that we just kinda did nothing but give away mckinley.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Another wasted week for us, will we ever snap out of this slump? in comparison Fremantle continue to move up and up.

 

[WCErevival]

So what exactly happened to Stevenson? Didnt get upgraded and havent heard of a delisting?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

So what exactly happened to Stevenson? Didnt get upgraded and havent heard of a delisting?

He's in limbo along with the rest of West Coast.

 

[Patron]

So what exactly happened to Stevenson? Didnt get upgraded and havent heard of a delisting?

No decision as yet i believe

 

[Pat_Footy]

Another wasted week for us, will we ever snap out of this slump? in comparison Fremantle continue to move up and up.

That's your opinion. I think any trades would have been purely to please supporters and not have been in the best interest of the club. There are experienced people in place to make these decisions

 

[Patron]

That's your opinion. I think any trades would have been purely to please supporters and not have been in the best interest of the club. There are experienced people in place to make these decisions

I woulda bin very active in trade week if i was the eagles management.

 

[Jafa]

Another wasted week for us, will we ever snap out of this slump? in comparison Fremantle continue to move up and up.

Be interested in hearing what you would have done.

 

[footballfreak]

Why are B Jones, A Hansen, Q lynch, Nicoski still on the list????

 

[spEKTre]

Why are B Jones, A Hansen, Q lynch, Nicoski still on the list????

Superannuation I guess, its all about looking after players these days.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Be interested in hearing what you would have done.

I would have traded Ebert to Port Adelaide for their first rounder or worked out a three way trade with them an another club. I would have waited for a better pick for McKinley, work harder to trade Spangher and traded for Josh Hill (who would have come this way as Hawthorn couldn't offer a trade). I would have shopped Kerr around and I would have quizzed Gold Coast on a trade for one of their listed players.

 

[Keys]

I woulda bin very active in trade week if i was the eagles management.

Which players that were available for trade should we have gone after and what should we have offered them?

What players of ours would you have traded out and what do you realistically think we would have received in a trade for them?

 

[WCErevival]

So can we assume that one of Nicoski or Hansen will get paid out to make room for Stevenson then?

 

[Pat_Footy]

I woulda bin very active in trade week if i was the eagles management.

I'm sure if the clock is wound back you'd find that the top clubs kept their picks when they were rebuilding. Only time will tell though.

Carlton just come across as desperate as soon as trade week hits. It hasn't served them well. They are way off a premiership.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

So can we assume that one of Nicoski or Hansen will get paid out to make room for Stevenson then?

You would think so but nothing this club does surprises me any more.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

 

[Keys]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

Firstly, Worsfold was in Broome from at least Wednesday of last week so it's fair to say he wasn't all that involved in trade week and was removed from the process.

Secondly, if Worsfold was trying to look after himself in the short term wouldn't he be doing what you suggested in the first part of your post and trying to shake out players at other clubs to trade in rather than keeping his high draft picks since they are the most likely option of building our list for the long term.

You want us to go after established players but want the coach to be removed from the process so that he doesn't make decisions that will help in the short term to prolong his career.

 

[Pat_Footy]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

On Worsfold... Seriously - he is keeping his draft picks. Thats a total contradiction to what you are implying. WC just traded with Collingwood for a compensation pick that will be used in 2-4 years time. So I think it is wrong to condemn the club for thinking short term when all they have done this week is look to the future.

On the "shake the trees" argument. Worsfold said in response to a trade week question before it had started who they were targetting. He replied - Cyril Rioli and Hayden Ballantyne. Every club trys to tempt players, WC included. Very rarely eventuates. Either way, you're just making assumptions with no idea what is actually happening.

 

[ziad]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

at least some good came out of the week, in addition to the clubs sensibility of not trading valuable picks for other teams list cloggers.

Trade week is little more than a garage sale. A quick look at the trade offering was enough for blind freddie to see there was nothing of value to us.

Others say woosher was away at the beach. Isn't that being out of it, trading for mature age hacks would have been the act of a desperate coach, not the strong move to focus on the draft.

 

[r dub 19]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

Good post, despite what others say I rate this guy's thoughts.

 

[SwiftforPM]

This is in response to posts other people made in the old trading thread.

I am very disappointed in the clubs behaviour at trade week. I am not disappointed that we didn't come away with anything because that is always possible. You don't want to do deals just for the sake of it if they are not advanatageous. But i am disappointed that the club looks like it put in the cue in the rack before trade week had even begun. Mark Readinsg said that the eagles contingent flew back to Perth on the second day of the trade week. maybe they went back towards the end of the week. But i think it shows the complete lack of energy and activity we displayed.

People say i am negative etc etc. I have another theory - how about it's the people saying lets not even try to get players from other clubs interested in coming to our club who are negative. Lets not bother. Why even try. We don't have anything to trade out, etc etc. How defeatist is that? How about we get out there and shake the trees and try and create something. Try and get somebody to want to come and then bend the other club over and get them on the cheap. And if you can't do a deal at the price you wnat at the end of the day then walk away. But at least try. Maybe there would only be a 1 in 4 or 5 chance of it coming off but you know what - a 20% chance of creating a positive trading opportunity that results in a quality player on the cheap for us is better than the 0% chance we have if we don't even try. The club smacks of complacency.

Another thing i would say, and this is not a personal dig at Worsfold, but i think he should have been removed from the process. You can not ask a bloke who's career is on a knife edge and can't look out longer than 12 months to make decisions with a 3-5 year time horizon. That is a massive conflict of interest. Worsfold is only human and 99% of human beings in his situation would be pushing for what is good for the continuation of their career rather than whats good for the club in 3-5 years time. Any club in the stage of the cycle that we are in, unless they have made a definate decision that the current coach will be there for 5 years, should let the footy dept make the call and dilute the role of coach in the decision making process because the coach wil almost always push for shorter term option. The role of the coach should only become more prominent in trading decisions when entering a flag window. When you are in a rebuilding phase the footy dept should make the calls.

If the club had done the complete opposite in trade week, we are all aware that you would have written a negative post about it.

 

[Patron]

I'm sure if the clock is wound back you'd find that the top clubs kept their picks when they were rebuilding. Only time will tell though.

Carlton just come across as desperate as soon as trade week hits. It hasn't served them well. They are way off a premiership.

Yer actively selling our players for d picks to help our rebuild. Would of definitely traded kerr, lynch, and rosa. if it was up to me for the highest picks available. Could have easily gotten 1 first, 1 second and a third rounder for those players.

 

[Jafa]

I would have traded Ebert to Port Adelaide for their first rounder or worked out a three way trade with them an another club. I would have waited for a better pick for McKinley, work harder to trade Spangher and traded for Josh Hill (who would have come this way as Hawthorn couldn't offer a trade). I would have shopped Kerr around and I would have quizzed Gold Coast on a trade for one of their listed players.

Was there any suggestion that Port would have offered up their first round pick for Ebert?
I expect West Coast asked the other clubs if they where up for anything better and got no interest on Mckinley - so they went with the offer in hand.
Are you sure Hill would have come this way or are you making that one up.
I assume Kerr would have given you his blessing before you shopped him around. If he wanted to go - he would have been on the table (or at the very least we would have heard about it).

Lets face it - alot of what was on offer wasn't particulary inspiring. You have a hard on for Freo at the moment and yet they have another Croadesque trade on their hands with Tarrant. You cracked the shits earlier in the week over Krakouer and completely glossed over it when it was pointed out that to you that in order to get him we would have paid a fair penny for it.

 

[r dub 19]

Looking forward to 2011, the following players are out of contract and should be gawnnnn:

-Nicko
-Lynch
-Hansen
-Mcginnihack
-Bones
-Embley

Can't wait.