Bailey's Job Security

[Mightydees]

Re: Bailey's Job Security.

Message to Todd Viney :

TAKE OVER AS COACH NOW!

You mentioned at the start of the year that Bailey didn't have much of a game plan, so you saw a problem there and then but you allowed him to continue on with this embarrassing style of play.

Stand up and save the club from the worst coach of all time. Do you really want your kid to play in a rabble like this?

NO WAY! Why the hell would we go from one untried senior coach to another? FFS

 

[syl]

I am glad you guys don't run the club...

Wait until seasons end, assess and then pick a seasoned coach with finals/premiership experience.

We can't get a good coach if we chop and change mid season, that's the perfect way to get an untried coach...

 

[Topkent]

I am glad you guys don't run the club...

Wait until seasons end, assess and then pick a seasoned coach with finals/premiership experience.

We can't get a good coach if we chop and change mid season, that's the perfect way to get an untried coach...

im with them , give viney the job till the end of the season, then make him apply for the job just like everyone else at seasons end... maybe viney can coach.. ratten at carlton, hird at essendon, voss at brisbane, primus at port, hardwick at richmond, chris and brad scott..which ever one coaches which, id say half of them are coaching succesfully and the other half arent.. so why not give viney 10 weeks to see what he can do... he has been an assistant coach at hawthorn when they won the premiership and adelaide, would be kinda tricky when his son gets to the club though

 

[Andy_Mac]

I am glad you guys don't run the club...

Wait until seasons end, assess and then pick a seasoned coach with finals/premiership experience.

We can't get a good coach if we chop and change mid season, that's the perfect way to get an untried coach...

So that leaves us with what Roo's, maybe the senile old fool Leigh Mathews and potentially Malthouse if he backs out of his contract!

If we intend to move Bailey on at years end then the club is best served to do it now and put Viney in place to see what he’s got. Rather than wait till years end and potentially put him (or someone else) in untried.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Bailey was always going to be a stop gap coach. He was like a lamb to the slaughter. He had to make tough decisions regarding long time favourite players at the club, while getting as much youth through the door as possible. From that point of view, he's done the right thing by the club.

But, he just has not got the skills on gameday. He has not come up with a winning modern day gameplan. He seems behind the times in regards to the forward press and zone defense. He continues to pick players who can't kick in defense. He cannot come up with a plan on how to combat a tag or how to even implement an effective tag on opposition midfielders. His forward structure is among the worst I have ever seen at the MFC. His baffling disregard to draft a strong KPF is yeah, baffling. He has hardly any support around him from coaching staff(Royal as defensive coach is rediculous, Mahoney clearly has no idea and Williams as ball movement coach is just laughable).

Most of us have defended Bailey at some stage during the last 4 years, but clearly we can't anymore. His time is up and will come to an end shortly. I don't beleive sacking him mid year would be great for the club, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. With Essendon and Collingwood the next 2 weeks, we could be looking at as early as a fortnight. If it does happen, then Viney will surely take over until seasons end. But we have to at least try as a club to get either Malthouse, Roos or Matthews! Someone who will demand the respect of the playing group. Clearly Bailey has none, regardless of what the players say, there actions speak louder than words...

 

[RandB]

It may simply get to a point where it is untennable to keep him. Viney as a caretaker coach wouldn't be the end of the world but it is not something I would just waltz into simply for the sake of getting the wheels in motion. It is more a case if longer term damage is being done by not acting then it becomes an option to go for Viney and that is a judgment call by the club.

 

[Topkent]

It may simply get to a point where it is untennable to keep him. Viney as a caretaker coach wouldn't be the end of the world but it is not something I would just waltz into simply for the sake of getting the wheels in motion. It is more a case if longer term damage is being done by not acting then it becomes an option to go for Viney and that is a judgment call by the club.

well if i was one of the lapsed members and i was struggling with money and i was weighing up whether to be a member this year, i certainly would leave it till next year based on this year... and as a supporter who lives far far away from the mcg.. i cant make it to games, i was seriously excited about going to the queens bday , after last nite, im seriously considering not going

 

[syl]

So that leaves us with what Roo's, maybe the senile old fool Leigh Mathews and potentially Malthouse if he backs out of his contract!

If we intend to move Bailey on at years end then the club is best served to do it now and put Viney in place to see what he’s got. Rather than wait till years end and potentially put him (or someone else) in untried.

If we put in Viney or any other untried coach next year I will drop my membership, enough of this shit from Melbourne.

Make it through the year having quiet words with Roos and Malthouse and then make the change...

 

[Djcjdees]

If we put in Viney or any other untried coach next year I will drop my membership, enough of this shit from Melbourne.

Make it through the year having quiet words with Roos and Malthouse and then make the change...

this. It is all a rumour anyway. The last thing the young guys need is more instability. Just play out the season and replace the coach the proper way, with an experienced, result-on-the-board coach.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

this. It is all a rumour anyway. The last thing the young guys need is more instability. Just play out the season and replace the coach the proper way, with an experienced, result-on-the-board coach.

While I see where you guys are coming from I simply can't agree. The way we play football now stinks. Nothing more, nothing less. Sure we have some players missing but the game plan as a whole is terrible and Bailey shows no signs that he has the ability to change things up and improve. Why should he be allowed to continue when it seems we are going backwards? Why wait when another club may make a swift change and snatch someone we want from right under our noses?

Last night was a disgrace and I was embarrassed that I had to watch it. I'm sick and tired of watching our poor old forwards get smashed because Bailey refuses to allow them to actually play as forwards. Bailey conceded defeat before the game started by playing Watts as the loose man in defence - his theory or having players behind the ball who could set us up was complete shit and no-one is buying it.

Give him the flick before it's too late.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Just an observation of the game last night. I't appeared to me that the coaching staff went into the game to try to limit the damage rather than win the game.

It appeared to me they were concerned with the injuries and decided they were never going to win the game. So they tried to play a flooding game in an attempt to make the margin look respectable (which it didn't in the end). IMO it's better to have tried to take the game by the horns and not worry too much about the margin. I think the younger players would have learned more by that. Or you may have unearthed a gun of a player you didn't know you have.

If the club decides to sack bailey then I agree to wait until about Rnd 22-23 unless another team sack their coach and may be interested in a coach that Melbourne may be interested in.

 

[Topkent]

Just an observation of the game last night. I't appeared to me that the coaching staff went into the game to try to limit the damage rather than win the game.

It appeared to me they were concerned with the injuries and decided they were never going to win the game. So they tried to play a flooding game in an attempt to make the margin look respectable (which it didn't in the end). IMO it's better to have tried to take the game by the horns and not worry too much about the margin. I think the younger players would have learned more by that. Or you may have unearthed a gun of a player you didn't know you have.

If the club decides to sack bailey then I agree to wait until about Rnd 22-23 unless another team sack their coach and may be interested in a coach that Melbourne may be interested in.

yep dont worry about being an outsider your exactly right, it was a night which there were no positives out of, would rather have been smashed in an open game but seen watts boot 4 or jetta rack up 12 clearances... there was nothing, thats why i bloody envy richmond rite now, your clearly not premiership material at the minute... but it hasnt stopped you having a go and tryin to win every game

 

[jack the ripper]

like i stated earlier this month, if i performed at work the way that **** wit bailey does i would be standing in the centrelink line, the sooner that losers gone the better, what a dead set non winning ****ing loser he is, were 4yrs into a rebuild and you cant even go to the footy because its to ****ing embarresing, i wish that loser would just quit.

 

[lukemaggers]

If we put in Viney or any other untried coach next year I will drop my membership, enough of this shit from Melbourne.

Make it through the year having quiet words with Roos and Malthouse and then make the change...

How can you be so against an 'untried' coach? Nearly every other team has a coach in his first job at the moment. Hardwick, Scott Brothers, Harvey, Ratten, Clarkson. They were/are all first year coaches and are doing a much better job than Bailey. Look at Hird, no coaching experience at AFL level at all and hes turned the Bombers into a current Top 4 side.

The most reason experienced coaches I can think of being brought in that failed are Pagan at Carlton and Wallace at Richmond. How did that work out?

Who knows if Roos still has the drive? Will Malthouse even be available? Who else is there to take? You think Leigh Matthews is going to apply?

Todd Viney is a perfect candiate. Everyone was on the Garry Lyon high-horse to come back to the club because of what the likes of Ratten & Hird had done for their playing-days clubs. Garry has no experience and doesn't want to coach. Todd Viney has been apart of a premiership win and has experience with Adelaide when they were a strong club under a very good coach, in my opinion. He's a former Captain and was a hard-nosed player. Exactly what we need.

Bailey was an untried coach that guided us through the dark years to get us the talented players we have. I had faith in him, but I've completely lost it now.

Let's bring in a tough former son like Viney to clean up the mess and get these boys some aggro with a decent game plan.

 

[Blackas87]

It may simply get to a point where it is untennable to keep him. Viney as a caretaker coach wouldn't be the end of the world but it is not something I would just waltz into simply for the sake of getting the wheels in motion. It is more a case if longer term damage is being done by not acting then it becomes an option to go for Viney and that is a judgment call by the club.

I agree, getting rid of Bailey is all about damage control, no matter what we will not play finals this year but it will make me a lot happier if he is gone, I've gone to every game this year in Melbourne and I am losing intrest watching his style of coaching, we need a caretaker coach who is willing to step aside and let an experienced coach come in next year

 

[THE STING2]

this. It is all a rumour anyway. The last thing the young guys need is more instability. Just play out the season and replace the coach the proper way, with an experienced, result-on-the-board coach.

Like Roos? How do you think he got his job?

 

[guitarded]

Look at Hird, no coaching experience at AFL level at all and hes turned the Bombers into a current Top 4 side.

Hird is more of a figurehead. I dare say Thompson and the surrounding staff would be pulling the strings.

After Friday night, i just shook my head. Did you see the images of the change rooms after the match? Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by a game plan and instructions that is not enabling them to win matches.

Agreed with the sting. Roos or Malthouse. Experience with proven track record.

 

[Logger]

Hird is more of a figurehead. I dare say Thompson and the surrounding staff would be pulling the strings.

After Friday night, i just shook my head. Did you see the images of the change rooms after the match? Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by a game plan and instructions that is not enabling them to win matches.

Agreed with the sting. Roos or Malthouse. Experience with proven track record.

Other options that could have ended that sentance:
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the weather
Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the constant negetivity for the sake of negetivity and totally irresponsable attitude of the Federal Liberal Party
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the lack of a blue-and-nude Rebecca Romijn-Stamos in the new X-Men movies
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the likely total domination of Sebastian Vettel in this years Formula 1 Championship Season
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised because they'd reached the end of their 'Get This' playlist on their iPod just before the game (this could also explain their performance on the night)
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised because they scored less than half Carlton's total.
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the fact their inexperiance and lack of commitment won't let them execute the best gameplan in the league
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised.

*I do not think Bailey is a genius, and would probably be happier if we had a different coach next year, but come on guys!

 

[Topkent]

Other options that could have ended that sentance:
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the weather
Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the constant negetivity for the sake of negetivity and totally irresponsable attitude of the Federal Liberal Party
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the lack of a blue-and-nude Rebecca Romijn-Stamos in the new X-Men movies
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the likely total domination of Sebastian Vettel in this years Formula 1 Championship Season
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised because they'd reached the end of their 'Get This' playlist on their iPod just before the game (this could also explain their performance on the night)
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised because they scored less than half Carlton's total.
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised by the fact their inexperiance and lack of commitment won't let them execute the best gameplan in the league
-Every player was hanging their head. They looked destroyed and demoralised.

*I do not think Bailey is a genius, and would probably be happier if we had a different coach next year, but come on guys!

the players all looked so demoralised after the game and in the rooms, i wouldnt expect them to be happy after what happened, but come on, they feel exactly like every true melbourne supporter does right now, absoloutely gutted, demoralised, dissapointed, and have no confidence in our coach structures and gameplans ... we will lose to every side we play for the rest of the year under this game style... and dont give me the bullshit that we beat adelaide and gold coast, because we pressed them and played different styles

 

[syl]

How can you be so against an 'untried' coach?

When was the last time we had a coach with previous AFL head coaching experience? 30 years ago? How has that turned out?

No more **** ups with left field ****ing 'mavericks'... if they appoint an untried coach I will not renew my memberships... simple.

 

[RandB]

Thread is starting to go to sh1t.

It's quite simple, if a caretaker coach was required for whatever reason it would undoubtedly be an untried coach ala Viney to get us through the remainder of the year (I doubt they'd go with CC). After that it is a whole new ball game and process and I dare say Melbourne would be after an experienced - preferably proven coach from 2012 onwards. Nobody has any idea of Viney's long term intentions anyway or how this season will pan out.

The important thing about an experienced coach is the people they bring with them so if say a Malthouse comes to Melbourne we want his coaching entourage as well (if possible) and that may even be a condition of getting such a coach.

Currently Bailey still has full support from players and club and that's fine but it is still only round 10 and categorically making a call 1 way or the other is a little pointless just now.

 

[syl]

Obviously a caretaker would be untried, and that's fine, although I would prefer Bailey see the year out.

I just want a seasoned coach because half of our lost are at the crossroads and an experienced coach will be able to help them take the next step.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

What will people think if we win one of ess/coll and perform admirably in the other?

What will people thinking when we beat Richmond, Freo and maybe the Doggies??

Entering round 15 at 7-1-7?

Would that be acceptable? Or will we still be calling for Bailey's head?

 

[jack the ripper]

And we're all impressed by that hero.

LOL , like i said 4weeks ago, im not going back to the footy until that ****ing loser is sacked, but you never rip your membership up, GO DEMONS.

 

[Topkent]

What will people think if we win one of ess/coll and perform admirably in the other?

What will people thinking when we beat Richmond, Freo and maybe the Doggies??

Entering round 15 at 7-1-7?

Would that be acceptable? Or will we still be calling for Bailey's head?

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and what will u be saying when we get touched up by essendon then flogged by collingwood, beat freo at home, then lose to richmond and the dogs taking us into round 15 at 4-1-10 will you still be all smiles then , because at current only a massive home ground advantage gives us a hope of beating freo.. and even still under bailey im not confident