Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[SaintsSeptember]

In this case, unfortunately, the "flat-earthers" are those who still believe 9/11's official story.

How do you know if your conviction is a result of logic, or if it is due to the influence of the nano-bots that were injected into your brain by the aliens?

 

[exe ex machina]

I could ask the same thing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I could ask the same thing.

Of course the goverment has been injecting all babies with the nanites since they found out about them in area 51.


Here is a pretty good debunking of the thermite theory. ( All fabricated and faked of course ).
Pretty sure most of this would hold true for nano thermite too.
Does Dr Niels Harritt have any claim to fame apart from being one of your nutter cronies? Far from being your everyday conspiracy nut, he seems to be a far more dangerous, "nut with a degree". He was already on the bandwagon before he happened to be sent "nano thermite" from the site by an anonamous donation.

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

The thing is , every time the "TRUTH" is found to be false the theory is changed to remove the refutable claims. Unlike normal people who decide on their interpretation of the truth, based on presented information, Truthers have formulated their opinion of the truth and are now looking for supporting evidence ( or clutching at straws ) to support their preformulated conclusion.

I'm sure its only a matter of time before aliens become involved.

By the way GG, do you really believe that your location is what you claim?

 

[exe ex machina]

The difference between that link and what I linked is that the "debunking" is going off photos only and then spewing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that gets easily gobbled up by nutters.

Your link does nothing to address the actual science that nano-thermite was found in the dust, debris. Ie, lab analysis. You do realize too that irrespective of your link and mine, ground zero would not be burning at such temperatures for weeks on end if it fell as per O/S.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The difference between that link and what I linked is that the "debunking" is going off photos only and then spewing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that gets easily gobbled up by nutters.

Your link does nothing to address the actual science that nano-thermite was found in the dust, debris. Ie, lab analysis. You do realize too that irrespective of your link and mine, ground zero would not be burning at such temperatures for weeks on end if it fell as per O/S.

The nano-thermite that surely would have been burnt ( if it worked ).
The nano-thermite in the dust that was mysteriously obtained and supplied to professor Truthernutter by other Truther's. ( or Falsers).

Nano thermite is a known thing. But its not a magic thing. ( That mysteriously does stuff just to fit a consipracy ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

I would expect that the exact thing that is special about Nano-thermite, would make it very unlikely that there would be widespread nano-themite dust everywhere afterwards. It would be burnt. Thats what it does.
If you tried to burn it down with old tyres, then you would get lots of residue.

The steps of a good consiracy theory.

1. Invent the scenario.
2. Accept that it is fact unless someone can prove it false.
3. Replace the evidence proven false with new unproven evidence and accept it as fact unless someone can prove it false.
4. Repeat step 3.

On the other hands the commonly accepted reality just seems too simple to be true doesnt it?

 

[Damp Squarie]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

What do you think bush and co should have done? It is ridiculous to assert that from that brief memo 9/11 could have realistically been avoided.

And yet the title of this thread isnt called...

Proof 9/11 could have realistically been avoided...but I hear what you are saying.

Bush looked like a deer caught in the headlights on many occasions too. He had it down to an artform.

Have you seen this?
Do you give this group any credit at all or is t all just coincidence

War Games, Simulated radar tracks, aircraft exceeding their max operating limits by more than 130-150 knots, inaccurate aircraft position reports, false aircraft target reports, aircraft converging -- flying virtually in formation with -- and then diverging from reported 9/11 aircraft, fighters launched in the wrong direction, aircraft seemingly still airborne after the alleged attack, poor communications, phones not working.... What happened on the morning of September 11, 2001? Why were the defenses ineffective? Pilots For 9/11 Truth analyze NORAD response, Audio recordings as well as Radar data provided by government agencies.

Click here to view full analysis now available to the public streaming online.http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21456

 

[Damp Squarie]

Question to Trusters

With the tenth anniversary fast approaching I thought I would try to coax you out from under your shadows with the following legitimate questions?

1. Which part of the 911 story driven by Gov inc., is the most questionable in your honest opinion?

2. And what makes it so?

Not trying to convert you and its not a troll, Im just trying to understand which part of the argument from those that question the whole she-bang makes prickles stand up on the back of your neck coz it just doesnt hold water.....even though you shudder admitting in your mind.

Salute'The Fallen'

 

[rayven]

I dont believe people fell for it.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I have absolutely no intention of being drawn in to your Building 7 , WTC bomb wiring, missing planes, mobiles not working at 30,000 feet, left handed Osamas right handed Osamas or any of the other equally ludicrous fantastical scenarios you base you arguments on.

Ask yourself WHY - that's all you need to do. Why and how has the US Govt - which has seen a change since 9/11 - could possibly have done what you are saying.

If the Democrats had ANY proof of what you are saying, they could expose it and be in power for eternity. Would make Vietnam look like a tea party.

You can say what you like - believe what you want - makes no difference to me - but if you believe the lunatic fringe and espouse their opinions, expect to get lumped in with them ! I got "dealt"nowhere.

Before you make claims like this, I would suggest you do some research on just how much investigation and prosecution of past administrations by current administrations in the US actually takes place.

Obama, immediately after coming to power, ran with a "let's look forward not backward" philosophy. Thus shielding many people in the Bush administration from any investigation whatsoever into their activities while in power.

 

[nut]

haven't read this hole thread..... I will belive the official story when they can explain how the third tower fell down.... maybe even show evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Until then I hold the view that another powerful organisation was responsible.

People ask why would the US bomb it self?? Instead Ask yourselves who has benefitted from the "attack"???? who carries the debt from the "WAR on Terror". hmmmmm the FEDERAL reserve.... who controls the FED reserve?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

haven't read this hole thread..... I will belive the official story when they can explain how the third tower fell down.... maybe even show evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Until then I hold the view that another powerful organisation was responsible.

People ask why would the US bomb it self?? Instead Ask yourselves who has benefitted from the "attack"???? who carries the debt from the "WAR on Terror". hmmmmm the FEDERAL reserve.... who controls the FED reserve?

Strong username to post relation

Don't be a lazy ****, go and do some reading and you will find a very plausible explanation to how the third tower collapsed.

7 World Trade Center on fire after the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11


As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing damage to the south face of the building.[5] Structural damage occurred to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage includes a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[28] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[29][30]
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[31] Fires burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[32][33] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[5] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[34] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[35] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[36] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[37] At 5:20:33 pm EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 pm EDT the entire building collapsed completely.[1][38] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. The report did not reach conclusions about the cause of the collapse and called for further investigation.[16]

Plan view of collapse progression, with structural failure initiating on lower floors, on the east side of the building and vertical progression up to the east mechanical penthouse


In response to FEMA's concerns, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was authorized to lead an investigation into the structural failure and collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers and 7 World Trade Center.[39] The investigation, led by Dr S. Shyam Sunder, drew not only upon in-house technical expertise, but also upon the knowledge of several outside private institutions, including the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY).[40]
The bulk of the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed until after reports were completed on the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers.[34] In the meantime, NIST provided a preliminary report about 7 World Trade Center in June 2004, and after that released occasional updates on the investigation.[5] According to NIST, the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed for a number of reasons, including that NIST staff who had been working on 7 World Trade Center were assigned full-time from June 2004 to September 2005 to work on the investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.[41] In June 2007, Shyam Sunder explained, "We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible. The 7 WTC investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers."[42]

Few photos and video clips exist that show the damage sustained to south face of 7 World Trade Center on 9/11. From a news helicopter, ABC News captured footage of the south face of 7 World Trade Center, including a glimpse of a gash, extending approximately 10 stories.


In November, 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[28] This followed their August 21, 2008 draft report which included a period for public comments.[34] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[43] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near Column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, Column 79 soon buckled - pulling the East penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the entire building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.[28]

BMCC's Fiterman Hall was heavily damaged from the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, and deconstruction was completed in the fall of 2009.


When the first 7 World Trade Center collapsed, debris caused substantial damage and contamination to the Borough of Manhattan Community College's Fiterman Hall building, located adjacent at 30 West Broadway, to the extent that the building was not salvageable. In August 2007, Fiterman Hall was scheduled for deconstruction.[44] A revised plan called for demolition in 2009 and completion of the new Fiterman Hall in 2012, at a cost of $325 million.[45][46] The adjacent Verizon Building, an art deco building constructed in 1926, had extensive damage to its east facade from the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, though it was able to be restored at a cost of US$1.4 billion.[47]
7 World Trade Center housed SEC files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. While some were backed up in other places, others were not, especially those classified as confidential.[48] Files relating Citigroup to the WorldCom scandal were lost.[49] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimates over 10,000 cases will be affected.[50] The Secret Service had its largest field office, with more than 200 employees, in WTC 7 and lost investigative files. Says one agent: “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building.”[51]
World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories say the buildings that collapsed on September 11, including building seven, were felled by controlled demolition.[52][53][54][55] The NIST report rejects this hypothesis, as the window breakages and blast sound that would have occurred if explosives were used were not observed.[28] The suggestion that an incendiary such as thermite was used instead of explosives is discarded by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity material could have been planted without discovery.[34]
The collapse of the old 7 World Trade Center is remarkable because it was the first known instance of a tall building collapsing primarily as a result of uncontrolled fires.[34] Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the twin towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations is that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[28]

As for your second ******ed statement. There are photographs which clearly show parts of the passenger jets engine scattered in and around the hole in the pentagon. You can also see it on a security camera feed, as well as numerous witness reports. You are a moron who should go join the flat earth society.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Enjoy you lazy ****. Let me guess, all these randoms who are saying they clearly saw an American Airlines plane are part of the whole plan.

 

[nut]

Strong username to post relation

Don't be a lazy ****, go and do some reading and you will find a very plausible explanation to how the third tower collapsed.



As for your second ******ed statement. There are photographs which clearly show parts of the passenger jets engine scattered in and around the hole in the pentagon. You can also see it on a security camera feed, as well as numerous witness reports. You are a moron who should go join the flat earth society.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Enjoy you lazy ****. Let me guess, all these randoms who are saying they clearly saw an American Airlines plane are part of the whole plan.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Step 2 of being a 911 ****** - nut.

Completely ignore the facts when they are posted in front of your face, instead post a series of other buildings with totally different sprinkler systems, support beams and engineering to compare with and assume every building and fire is the same. GREAT JOB MORON !!

Just come out and admit you are a 911 ******, then I know I can ignore you. I have already posted proof for the pentagon being hit by the AA plane, and a very valid explanation for the collapse of the 3rd tower, written and reviewed by multiple engineers at the top of their field. You are a ****ing idiot.

 

[exe ex machina]

lol at The Emu, should call yourself The Ostrich, head so far buried in the sand of O/S lies and disinformation and garbage "debunk" material. What a loon.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

You are a lost cause. Eye witnesses all saying an AA plane went into the Pentagon, yet apparently I am the one with my head in the sand. The government must have brainwashed them all. Really really funny. Another bullshit post without any sources or materials to backup any of his moronic claims. Great, humanity is ****ed with ******s like you still breathing ! I love how this other idiot posts a website with fires from totally random buildings and tries to claim they are all the same and thus should all act the same. Such a simple and idiotic way of viewing things, I don't know how you can function in society (oh wait you probably don't, too paranoid to go outside they might put you in jail for knowing all the secrets). WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I love to investigate conspiracies and government ****ups and coverups etc. But this 911 shit is getting ****ing stupid.

 

[nut]

You are a lost cause. Eye witnesses all saying an AA plane went into the Pentagon, yet apparently I am the one with my head in the sand. The government must have brainwashed them all. Really really funny. Another bullshit post without any sources or materials to backup any of his moronic claims. Great, humanity is ****ed with ******s like you still breathing ! I love how this other idiot posts a website with fires from totally random buildings and tries to claim they are all the same and thus should all act the same. Such a simple and idiotic way of viewing things, I don't know how you can function in society (oh wait you probably don't, too paranoid to go outside they might put you in jail for knowing all the secrets). WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I love to investigate conspiracies and government ****ups and coverups etc. But this 911 shit is getting ****ing stupid.

How many high rise buildings have fallen from fire???? if you honestly believe fire cause building 7 to collapse... then lol.
Do you honestly believe that there is NO footage of what ever hit the Pentagon???
The states have the technology to use their Satellite footage to show us what really happened.... how do explain all those "other" cameras that the FBI conveniently confiscated the footage???

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How many high rise buildings have fallen from fire???? if you honestly believe fire cause building 7 to collapse... then lol.
Do you honestly believe that there is NO footage of what ever hit the Pentagon???
The states have the technology to use their Satellite footage to show us what really happened.... how do explain all those "other" cameras that the FBI conveniently confiscated the footage???

How many high rise buildings have the kind of shonky reduced footing design building 7 had?

How many Nuclear power stations have been destroyed by Tsnunami's , that must be a plot as well.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

How many high rise buildings have fallen from fire???? if you honestly believe fire cause building 7 to collapse... then lol.
Do you honestly believe that there is NO footage of what ever hit the Pentagon???
The states have the technology to use their Satellite footage to show us what really happened.... how do explain all those "other" cameras that the FBI conveniently confiscated the footage???

Bro, there are a lot of witnesses who all clearly say they saw an AA plane fly into the pentagon. Are they lying or part of the whole cover up? Please answer this question.

 

[madhawkboy]

How many building have fallen into itself in just about 6 sec?

 

[nut]

Bro, there are a lot of witnesses who all clearly say they saw an AA plane fly into the pentagon. Are they lying or part of the whole cover up? Please answer this question.

So I've gone from being a ****** to your bro???? wow

There are also witnesses that saw differently.. they saw a something the size of a business Jet.. If you need to use unreliable eye witnesses watching a plane travel at over 300 km hour hit a building as "proof" then it's a shallow argument.
There is also "proof" that it would be near impossible to maneuverer an aircraft along the proposed flight path from the evidence submitted to a fluffy 9/11 commision... especially if those Pilots were at the level that they claimed them to believe.... we are talking about 150 tonne aircraft not a Playstation game...

There was also NO signs of an aircraft hitting the ground before the building.... further evidence that we are talking about precision flying....hitting the pentagon exactly head on... something that I personally cant believe a amateur pilot could achieve.... and any pilot will tell you that.

The actual recreation that was submitted has been proven to be impossible to achieve.... but hay those crack pilots from the caves in Afghanistan who trained on camels sure no how to fly....

When the Lie is so big people start to believe....


oh then there is the photo's of a peice of the Turbine from the crash site that IS NOT from a commercial Aircraft..... but hay Joe Bloggs saw a AA aircraft.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So I've gone from being a ****** to your bro???? wow

There are also witnesses that saw differently.. they saw a something the size of a business Jet.. If you need to use unreliable eye witnesses watching a plane travel at over 300 km hour hit a building as "proof" then it's a shallow argument.
There is also "proof" that it would be near impossible to maneuverer an aircraft along the proposed flight path from the evidence submitted to a fluffy 9/11 commision... especially if those Pilots were at the level that they claimed them to believe.... we are talking about 150 tonne aircraft not a Playstation game...

There was also NO signs of an aircraft hitting the ground before the building.... further evidence that we are talking about precision flying....hitting the pentagon exactly head on... something that I personally cant believe a amateur pilot could achieve.... and any pilot will tell you that.

The actual recreation that was submitted has been proven to be impossible to achieve.... but hay those crack pilots from the caves in Afghanistan who trained on camels sure no how to fly....

When the Lie is so big people start to believe....


oh then there is the photo's of a peice of the Turbine from the crash site that IS NOT from a commercial Aircraft..... but hay Joe Bloggs saw a AA aircraft.

OK all the witnesses were unreliable.

Would you like me to prove that World War Two didnt happen?

In fact the whole world as you know it doesnt exist. We've been stringing you along like "The Truman Show" congratulations for figuring it out.

 

[nut]

OK all the witnesses were unreliable.

Would you like me to prove that World War Two didnt happen?

In fact the whole world as you know it doesnt exist. We've been stringing you along like "The Truman Show" congratulations for figuring it out.

What a stupid thing to say...

I am just making the point that there was conflicting reports from witnessess... is that ok???

 

[madhawkboy]

No it's not OK...
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[nut]

No it's not OK...
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[youtube]dPioH8bowsw[/youtube]

no no no... those Firemen are clearly ******s as well....

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

First of all you absolute moron stick to one ****ing thing at a time. We are talking about an AA jet hitting the Pentagon. So focus your pea sized brain on that for a second. There are over 30 witnesses who ALL say an AA jet hit the pentagon, it flew over their ****ing head for god sakes. How can you even attempt to convince yourself that it is not true, all the media interviews with witnesses are right after the crash. And you are seriously going to try and tell me the AA plane didn't hit the Pentagon. What a ****ing moron. As for those firefighters, first of all they are stating a comparison (it looked like a bomb was being detonated), they did not SEE a bomb being detonated. They made an observation of what it looked like, a huge difference. **** you really are stupid and delusional. What is conflicting about all these people saying they saw an AA jet fly into the Pentagon, show me the conflicting views you claim.