List Manager- Western Bulldogs

[Slattery_20]

I imagine that Gilbee will be moved on at the end of this year. Gia has another year to go on his contract, and i'm not sure where Morris is at. He had a setback with his leg, so is out the rest of this year. Fairly sure he's contracted for next year. I'd hate to lose him.

Is Morris any chance of making a big impact in a comeback @ age 30? Seems to be asking a fair bit.

 

[Igloo]

Is Morris any chance of making a big impact in a comeback @ age 30? Seems to be asking a fair bit.

Probably not, but hopefully. We've missed him a lot this year.

 

[eastfreo75]

Seems to me that the dogs have alot young and older players but not alot in the middle age group.

Next year the Dogs have 8 players over 30. I would have a meeting with them and try to convince them that they could be rotated in and out of the team. No point cutting hard as it leaves the club without leadership. The vets list rule has changed, if a player has played 10 years $112k is taken off your salary cap and dogs will has 9 players who will be veterans. thats $1m extra to chase restricted free agents to made some in roads into the lack of middle age players.

Front load as much contracts as possible, and convince the vets to play on at reduce salaries.

Don't trade any picks, this year use your first four picks on young kids, and use the pre season draft to pick another middle ager.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Seems to me that the dogs have alot young and older players but not alot in the middle age group.

Next year the Dogs have 8 players over 30. I would have a meeting with them and try to convince them that they could be rotated in and out of the team. No point cutting hard as it leaves the club without leadership. The vets list rule has changed, if a player has played 10 years $112k is taken off your salary cap and dogs will has 9 players who will be veterans. thats $1m extra to chase restricted free agents to made some in roads into the lack of middle age players.

Front load as much contracts as possible, and convince the vets to play on at reduce salaries.

Don't trade any picks, this year use your first four picks on young kids, and use the pre season draft to pick another middle ager.

I didn't realise that the veterans rules had changed. Does that mean if you have 20 players over 30 with 10 years exp. you can get 2.25 million off your salary cap?

 

[00Stinger]

8 players over 30 and look like winning no more than 5-6 games. Add in the fact you have lost Harbrow and Ward in the last 24 months. Both of which are gun players in that important 23-28 age group. Not too mention Cooney being in his mid 20's and a shade of his former self.

The Doggies are in for a lean 5 year period, which happens when you top up going for a premiership (nothing wrong with that).

Plus they need pace in the midfield and a quality KPF, which is exactly what 12-15 other clubs in the league need. So there is not an abundance of them getting around the league.

 

[flipper83]

Think we're in for a few years of pain unitl our 20-21 year olds get to their prime. There's a huge hole in our list thanks to 'Super Recruiter' Scott Clayton (Good luck Gold Coast). The foundations of Teams are built on players between the ages of 29 and 23 so players taken from the superdraft of 2001 through to the 07 draft. The bulldogs only have 9 players in their squad from their picks in those national drafts (Not counting rookie drafts). They are Lake, Cooney, Minson, Griffen, Williams, Higgins, Addison, Wood and Grant. To put that in perspective, during that period the dogs had 8 picks inside the top 11 plus about 30 more inside the top 50 and managed to find 7 that were good enough to stay on the squad. (Ok Ward and Harbrow can be counted as well) But still it baffles me how Clayton managed to maintain his reputation with that sort of record.
Anyway that is the biggest problem, not enough players at the peak of their powers. The dogs have tried to top up with a few recycled players which hasn't worked and now the team is made up of players nearing the end of their carreers or players just starting which is why they are getting punished at the moment.
The dogs desperately need some midfield class to compliment the inside work of Libber and Wallis which will hopefully come with this years draft. They do need a cleanout simply to make way for the new players that they need to bring in including probably 4 rookie upgrades. Coupled with at least 4 players from the national draft this means the dogs need to delist 8 or more players. The obvious ones are Moles, Mulligan and Hooper but more need to go which is where things get speculative. I think Gilbee and Hargraves have their best days behind them and may go while Gia is looking slow but has another year on his contract so will stay. Morris might be under pressure coming back from such a serious injury at his age but hard to see him going. Panos hasn't stepped up but the club would have to break his contract to delist him, Skinner hasn't shown much and Vezpremi needs to break into the team before the end of the year or could be in trouble.
The club could try to offload a couple of players entering their twilight years in Lake and Cross who might have some currency particularly Cross who is being pushed out by younger inside mids.
Other than that most of the team is fairly young and has shown enough promise to warrant a spot on the list.

 

[eastfreo75]

I didn't realise that the veterans rules had changed. Does that mean if you have 20 players over 30 with 10 years exp. you can get 2.25 million off your salary cap?

No limit to amount of players, just that have played 10 seasons with the club. Don't need to be over 30 just 10 years of service.

 

[Tommycash]

Delist-Panos(Not seen in there plans it seems), Moles(Depends how he goes this week), Hill?(Another unlikely to be kept), Mulligan(Should have been his year, Austin has kicked him out), Vezpremi (Just not good enough), Greenwood
Retire-Hargrave, Gilbee
Out-8

Either way-Djekurra(Last week showed he's probably worth keeping, Skinner, Redpath, Campbell (Cordy, Roughead are ahead of him, and he needs to do better)

Sherman, Djekurra will likely stay as they are the ages we need, but both need to do better next season, as of course do Grant & Jones.

Macca has suggested we could go for some young players at other clubs, but I mean it hasn't worked too well in the past. Maybe we can try get Ward back? Hahahahaa. An established young guy would be nice.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I would've thought you'd rather keep Veszpremi than Djerkurra. I'd definitely rather have Vez at Port.

 

[cotter101]

Hey Guys just wanna get you thoughts on the Western Bulldogs List for me need a big cleanout
For instance 2012 Draft prospects for us, delistings, retirees etc

For me:
Delistings- Mulligan, Hooper, Sherman, Skinner, Greenwood (50/50)- Grant, Panos
Retire- Gilbee (Potential Trade)
Trade-

Need a KEY FORWARD!!!!! Not rotating ruckman
Pace in the Midfield

What do you guys think???

At least let Panos play his first game this weekend!

 

[Igloo]

I would've thought you'd rather keep Veszpremi than Djerkurra. I'd definitely rather have Vez at Port.

Would much prefer Vez over Djerrkura.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Would much prefer Vez over Djerrkura.

Agreed, but I'd prefer to bring back Trent Bartlett then keep DJ

 

[IanW]

I didn't realise that the veterans rules had changed. Does that mean if you have 20 players over 30 with 10 years exp. you can get 2.25 million off your salary cap?

Yep.

 

[Tommycash]

Agreed, but I'd prefer to bring back Trent Bartlett then keep DJ

What does everyone see in Vezspremi? He's never really impressed me. And he certainly seems to be on the outer at the dogs.

 

[Igloo]

What does everyone see in Vezspremi? He's never really impressed me. And he certainly seems to be on the outer at the dogs.

He's better than Djerrkura, to put it simply.

 

[Bulldog1954]

He's better than Djerrkura, to put it simply.

Exactly, Vez is on thin ice himself but DJ simply doesn't get enough of the footy and makes to many horrible, costly errors when he does. Vez will probably stay on the list but just, at least he can use the ball

 

[Dav1d]

Vez is a pretty damn accurate and long kick though, I'll give him that

 

[SnowRoo]

We'll be going for more outside, good finishing types. I love Wines (I imagine Macca would too), he's in my top 2 favourites this year (would fit in amazingly at Geelong), but we don't have any need for his type of player. We've got Libba, Wallis and Smith as our young inside kids. Desperately lacking good kicks of the footy though, who can break the lines. I imagine we'll be looking at guys like Mayes, Toumpas, maybe Garlett. Also Menzel could be a chance, as you mentioned. I also hope we look at Stringer strongly, mostly because he's my favourite in the draft and I think he'll be a gun once he gets back to full fitness.

you mean "IF"

Moneyball time at the Doggies for now. Would look at players like
McKernan
Cornellius
Gumbleton
A.Edwards
Rivers
Lisle
Kersten
McKinley
Cook
Toy
Gillies
Wood

 

[Igloo]

you mean "IF"

Moneyball time at the Doggies for now. Would look at players like
McKernan
Cornellius
Gumbleton
A.Edwards
Rivers
Lisle
Kersten
McKinley
Cook
Toy
Gillies
Wood

No, I mean once. I'm confident he will.

I'd be disappointed if we got any of those players (excluding Kersten, why would the Cats get rid of him?). Now isn't the time to be taking rejects from other clubs. We'll develop our own players from the draft.