Opinion New Ruck Rules.....Keeffe an Option?

Breakthelines · Oct 20, 2012

Now that the ruck rules have change in regards to contact/wrestling before the ball is thrown up, is Lachlan Keeffe a viable option? He won't get pushed around or have his body smashed around as much with the rule changes.

Considering that he's athletic, has super skills and is 204cm & 100kg?

Thoughts?

millsy29gopies · Oct 20, 2012

I'd hope so. Would certainly help his chances of getting a game and to have a player like that not play ruck is a bit of a waste.

Timmy from Thomastown · Oct 20, 2012

Will be an option to give the number one ruck a chopout so maybe Lynch doenst have to do the work.

Baltimore Jack · Oct 20, 2012

I think the new rules will assist those with a big leap, like Nic Nat.
Not sure Keeffe has a great leap, but its worth a shot.
I guess it highlights how variable our list is

mattys123 · Oct 20, 2012

Nope, he's a terrible ruckman, was tried a few times in the VFL and failed miserably, and then was moved to CHB and became a revelation.

How could he possibly be an option? I keep hearing that it takes rucks 4-5 years to develop, yet he hasn't played one game ever as the number one ruckman, even at VFL level.

Nope, Ceglar, Witts, Lynch and maybe even Richmond long term, but not Keefe.

Plus, he's the perfect matchup for a player like Tippett or even Hawkins, as long as he recovers from that knee injury alright.

Lachie will replace Tarrant as our swingman, capable of playing both forward and back.

Knightmare · Oct 20, 2012

I think it makes Gault very quickly an option. Excellent leaper and has the quickness to get to the drop of the ball quicker than the next ruckman to be really well suited as a no.2 ruckman.

Keeffe needs to stay at full back. He was by far and away our best key defender this season. He looks so comfortable down back and just so suited behind the ball. Would be devistated to see him ever shifted out of that back half. He is just a different player down back as is the case with Reid.

hot_pies81 · Oct 20, 2012

IMO Keefe was heading into AA territory this year before the knee injury. Hopefully he can get through pre-season without any hiccups and play a significant role down back for us. No point taking somebody who can't ruck (rule changes or not, the fundamentals are still the same) out of their position and ask them to play that role. We saw how well that worked out for us this year.

Breakthelines · Oct 20, 2012

mattys123 said:
Nope, he's a terrible ruckman, was tried a few times in the VFL and failed miserably, and then was moved to CHB and became a revelation.

How could he possibly be an option? I keep hearing that it takes rucks 4-5 years to develop, yet he hasn't played one game ever as the number one ruckman, even at VFL level.

Nope, Ceglar, Witts, Lynch and maybe even Richmond long term, but not Keefe.

Plus, he's the perfect matchup for a player like Tippett or even Hawkins, as long as he recovers from that knee injury alright.

Lachie will replace Tarrant as our swingman, capable of playing both forward and back.

I was actually thinking more a long the lines of the back up ruck rather than no.1 ruck.

piesaregreat · Oct 20, 2012

Coming off a knee reco?
Let him get his place back as a KPD
No problem with a long term plan to improve his ruck skills

millsy29gopies · Oct 20, 2012

hot_pies81 said:
IMO Keefe was heading into AA territory this year before the knee injury. Hopefully he can get through pre-season without any hiccups and play a significant role down back for us. No point taking somebody who can't ruck (rule changes or not, the fundamentals are still the same) out of their position and ask them to play that role. We saw how well that worked out for us this year.

Hmmm I'm not too sure about that. I'm Lachie's biggest fan

D) but his first few matches were shocking. He was starting to get really good but not AA Territory.

tazzawazza · Oct 20, 2012

Definitely, the new rules suit tall players , not so much strong, big ruckmen. At 204 cm he should be a great option. Also I really hope he gets a chance to play in the defence again, he was extremely impressing last season.

hot_pies81 · Oct 20, 2012

millsy29gopies said:
Hmmm I'm not too sure about that. I'm Lachie's biggest fan D) but his first few matches were shocking. He was starting to get really good but not AA Territory.

Agree he started the year slowly, but at the rate he was improving in each game I still think he was heading in that direction. Hopefully if he gets back on the track in time he can give it a crack next year, though I'm not sure he'll be back by R1.

eddiebankbalance · Oct 20, 2012

New rule = less free's against Jolly, just saying. + Lachlan Keeffe will be awesome in any way in 2013.

Pleasedontfail11 · Oct 20, 2012

When Keefe did his knee it was pushing against Tippet just like you would in a ruck contest. I wouldnt be testing that knee for a while yet by putting him in a ruck contest with 100+ kg giants pushing against his knees with the force of their whole body.

cleomenes · Oct 21, 2012

He has the makings of a star defender, and that should be as far as we need to look. We got Lynch as the backup ruck. We would consider Keeffe there only in a game time emergency. In selection, the young rucks should get the backup spots next year.

Prestigerrycomo · Oct 21, 2012

Pleasedontfail11 said:
When Keefe did his knee it was pushing against Tippet just like you would in a ruck contest. I wouldnt be testing that knee for a while yet by putting him in a ruck contest with 100+ kg giants pushing against his knees with the force of their whole body.

It happened right in front of me (well 30m or so), I felt sick at the time...took a lot of joy out of the win for me. Although it was one of the best wins I've seen from Collingwood.

Breakthelines · Oct 21, 2012

Pleasedontfail11 said:
When Keefe did his knee it was pushing against Tippet just like you would in a ruck contest. I wouldnt be testing that knee for a while yet by putting him in a ruck contest with 100+ kg giants pushing against his knees with the force of their whole body.

Thats the point...you can no longer push and shove in ruck contests. Have to jump at the footy.

FIGJAM · Oct 21, 2012

mattys123 said:
Nope, he's a terrible ruckman, was tried a few times in the VFL and failed miserably, and then was moved to CHB and became a revelation.

Spot on, but I'd suggest "revelation" is a bit strong! He was solid.

Anyone suggestion he should ruck never saw him in the VFL. He couldn't jump over a Coke can and was and is completely clueless.

Knightmare is right in that Gaulty is going to be a better option.

Breakthelines · Oct 21, 2012

FIGJAM said:
Spot on, but I'd suggest "revelation" is a bit strong! He was solid.

Anyone suggestion he should ruck never saw him in the VFL. He couldn't jump over a Coke can and was and is completely clueless.

Knightmare is right in that Gaulty is going to be a better option.

How did Gault go in the VFL this year?

FIGJAM · Oct 21, 2012

Gault had an injury affected year, but closed it off well, holding down CHB. He is 198cms, can jump and can win taps to advantage in the ruck.

Pleasedontfail11 · Oct 21, 2012

Breakthelines said:
Thats the point...you can no longer push and shove in ruck contests. Have to jump at the footy.

Not quite accurate unless I read the rule incorrectly. You cant push until the umpire throws up the ball or the boundry umpire throws it in. In my opinion not much will change.

When it comes to the new ruck rules, which were trialled in this year's NAB Cup, no contact will be permitted until the ball has left the umpire's hand.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=149757

hot_pies81 · Oct 21, 2012

Pleasedontfail11 said:
Not quite accurate unless I read the rule incorrectly. You cant push until the umpire throws up the ball or the boundry umpire throws it in. In my opinion not much will change.

Thank you! Glad somebody else sees it this way.

Breakthelines · Oct 21, 2012

Pleasedontfail11 said:
Not quite accurate unless I read the rule incorrectly. You cant push until the umpire throws up the ball or the boundry umpire throws it in. In my opinion not much will change.

When it comes to the new ruck rules, which were trialled in this year's NAB Cup, no contact will be permitted until the ball has left the umpire's hand.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=149757

Disagree slightly.
All the blocking and bumping being removed that goes on before a ball up will change the contest dramatically.
With the amount of time the rucks have between the ball leaving the umpires hand and them tapping it at its highest point...there won't be much if any time to wrestle or block.
There will be more time but only a little from boundary throw ins.

Markfs · Oct 22, 2012

I think the rule is that the players cant touch until the umpire has released the ball.......and then we get to the finals and the umpires wind back the rules. I would be hesitant to say how the new rule is going to impact in the game that matters..

The Royal Sampler · Oct 22, 2012

Knightmare said:
Keeffe needs to stay at full back. He was by far and away our best key defender this season.

Nope, that was still Reid.

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