Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[slice]

The good news is, we don't get White.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Any chance that Sydney got access to this document and have been using it as a bargaining chip (ie blackmail) in negotiations with Adelaide? Adelaide have gone to the AFL with it in an effort to get it nullified and prevent Sydney from using it as a baseball bat.

 

[King Elvis]

Like I said, I could be jumping at shadows but I hope for your sake there is nothing about payments with TPP implications in the note.

A WCE supporter touched on this in the big thread; if we've given Tippett any kind of assurance outside of his formal contract, it could be viewed as 'value-adding' onto his contract, and, consequently, could fall under the Salary Cap umbrella.

That sounds reasonable to me, but I doubt it's something that'll be an issue.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Any chance that Sydney got access to this document and have been using it as a bargaining chip (ie blackmail) in negotiations with Adelaide? Adelaide have gone to the AFL with it in an effort to get it nullified and prevent Sydney from using it as a baseball bat.

IMO ... I think Adelaide pulled the trigger on it first, and took it to the AFL, before Tippett and his manager would have (through frustration).

 

[feenix67]

A few OTT reactions here. We'll get sanctioned for making a non AFL approved arrangement with a player in 2009 (maybe). We havent done anything else wrong. We havent tampered with the draft at all. We havent cheated the cap. We've basically made an under the table arrangement to bend over if Tippett decided to leave.

Even if the agreement didnt exist, Tippett/Blucher could have still nominated Sydney and held us over a barrel, just the same as Clark did to Brisbane last year. I firmly believe Trigg went to the AFL to call Blucher/Sydney's bluff, and get the agreement deemed void.

We were clearly spooked by the advent of the Gold Coast and the implications to one of our key players. We tried to circumvent it - at least in the short term - by basically asking Kurt to stay a bit longer to help us get a flag, in return for us paving his way back home with little fuss. Hence why they were so pissed when he nominated Sydney. The fact that we got reamed by the two expansion teams anyway is rather ironic.

Blucher has played this poorly imo and should be struck off as a player agent. Tippett will probably get away with being sent to the PSD. Triggy, unfortunately, may have to fall on his sword over this one. We'll get a fine probably, shouldnt be anything more. The interesting one is Sydney. Ireland clearly knew about this and could only know from Tippett's camp. I still smell a rat there, but it will be interesting to see if anything comes of that.

 

[Cap]

I think the only thing we can do is await the AFL to tells what the AFC won't or haven't

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Yeah, "I'm very upset that you guys tried to keep our best player 3 years ago and I'm taking my bat and ball and going home"

...seriously mate

And if we get massive draft penalties that limit his ability to do his job?

He was offered a position without being given all the facts.

 

[Malifice]

It is an excuse when you employ professionals to act on your behalf.

Not true per the laws of Agency mate.

The Principal almost always is accountable for the actions of the Agent. Including misrepresentation and other conduct by the Agent.

Im still shocked that peope trust Real Estate Agents to look after half million dollar investment properties for them, but hey, thats just me.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

If Tippett/Blucher were using this to try to force Adelaides hand, they must be the stupidest summbitches alive... Blucher or at least velocity's lawyers should have been able to establish that 'an agreement outside a contract' will result in a giant goat copulation that could result in him being deregistered, where do his big bags of money go then?

Sydney could still lose COL out of this, Blucher has GOT to be in big trouble as well, look at what happened to ricky nixon, and he didnt even screw his client the way blucher has screwed Tippett

 

[King Elvis]

One other thing - how unbelievably stupid do we now look for not formulating a trade with Brisbane last year?

We've let one player cause incredible damage to our Club, I cannot believe how stupid we've been in all of this.

 

[Schulzycrow]

I wouldn't blame Sando if he walked away right now

I wouldn't blame him if he went into Triggy's office and punched him in the head.

 

[Draft Bored]

I don't want to waste an entire day glued to this thread so can someone PM me when the AFL make an announcement?

 

[SpeciousArgument]

And if we get massive draft penalties that limit his ability to do his job?

He was offered a position without being given all the facts.

he's still contracted to the club.

 

[King Elvis]

Also half feel we should tell the AFL to get ****ed; we've been bent over enough by their expansions Clubs, and we weren't going to take anymore.

 

[The_Answer3]

Not true per the laws of Agency mate.

The Principal almost always is accountable for the actions of the Agent. Including misrepresentation and other conduct by the Agent.

Im still shocked that peope trust Real Estate Agents to look after half million dollar investment properties for them, but hey, thats just me.

Tippett would only be in strife if it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt he had knowledge of the illegal nature of the agreement, or if he instructed the agency to act illegally on his behalf.

If the management company has drawn up and negotiated this agreement, they're in the shit from the AFL and potentially from Tippett. They'd be bound by code of conduct to act in the best interests of the client. This is not.

 

[ManInTheArena]

You're all over-reacting. A gentlemen's agreement is not a legally binding agreement. There has been no "contract" along side another contract. The AFL are not going to run around pursuing every ****ing handshake that happens.

 

[jenny61_99]

Can you show me where Sydney knew about the clause please?

Andrew Ireland is Sydney CEO. Blucher from Velocity is Tippett's Manager. Ireland's wife works for Velocity. You do the math.

 

[Tex200]

Not true per the laws of Agency mate.

The Principal almost always is accountable for the actions of the Agent. Including misrepresentation and other conduct by the Agent.

Im still shocked that peope trust Real Estate Agents to look after half million dollar investment properties for them, but hey, thats just me.

Spot on. Dont know where peopple get the idea Tippett can hide behind his manager. Ignorance of the law is no defence at all.

 

[Malifice]

So long as he has reasonable grounds to believe it was legal. A player shouldn't need to know the inside and out rules of player movement when they have representation, it's what they pay for and why the representation will be heaviuly insured. Tippett's a silly, but he won't be in strife from the AFL (I assume).

Again mate - not how Agency works.

If Tippetts Agent burnt him, he has a legal action against his Agent.

Incompetent or dodgy Agents dont protect the Principal, and you cant hide behind the fact your Agents a *******; your Agents actions are (legally speaking) your own.

Of course, then Tippett chases his Agent for breach of Trust and Professional Negligence or what have you.

Again - choose your Real Estate Agents who manage your properties wisely!

 

[jenny61_99]

We will and should cop the main brunt of the fallout. The manager Blutcher is probably more at risk.
Are Sydney totally clean in this given that they were trying to hold an illegal arrangement over us to basic steal Tippett. Hardly in line with their marvellous culture ...

And not just that - was there "insider trading" with Sydney's CEO's wife privvy to Kurts contract given she works for Velocity? Very bloody dirty waters if you ask me.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

You're all over-reacting. A gentlemen's agreement is not a legally binding agreement. There has been no "contract" along side another contract. The AFL are not going to run around pursuing every ******* handshake that happens.

The Crows are understood to have gone to the AFL late last week with written documentation confirming that they had agreed to trade Tippett for a second-round choice, an ''understanding'' not disclosed in the contract he signed at the end of 2009.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tamper-affair-20121023-283kp.html#ixzz2AAYF1aXS​

Tippetts got something in writing.​

 

[jt_mcleod]

I wouldn't blame him if he went into Triggy's office and punched him in the head.

hahaaha made

 

[The_Answer3]

Again mate - not how Agency works.

If Tippetts Agent burnt him, he has a legal action against his Agent.

Incompetent or dodgy Agents dont protect the Principal, and you cant hide behind the fact your Agents a *******; your Agents actions are (legally speaking) your own.

Of course, then Tippett chases his Agent for breach of Trust and Professional Negligence or what have you.

Again - choose your Real Estate Agents who manage your properties wisely!

I'm in agreement with that, though reality law is slightly different (I believe), as the agent are also providing advice, not just acting as a middle man. The AFL, and more so the ALFPA will not alow Tippett to be de-registered for his management's **** up. Tippett is just a dumb shit who employed a knob.

 

[King Elvis]

Not true per the laws of Agency mate.

The Principal almost always is accountable for the actions of the Agent. Including misrepresentation and other conduct by the Agent.

Im still shocked that peope trust Real Estate Agents to look after half million dollar investment properties for them, but hey, thats just me.

No different to an Accountant/Client relationship, correct? The client is still largely liable for the actions of their Accountant?

 

[jenny61_99]

Not sure why Trigg is expected to take the fall if this agreement was sanctioned by the board. If Trigg acted without the knowledge of the board then he is dog meat.

I agree with this. Also - when this "agreement" was made - three years ago - was Tippett worth more than a second round draft pick? Stupid, stupid deal IF TRUE, but the compensation was probably right for his standing at the time.