2012 Draft wish list

[Dockernut]

You can get decent young forwards for late picks, take Sam Reid for instance. But you really have to have an eye for them IMO. Have a look at some of the 190 cm plus gold that Adelaide's former recruiting manager has selected over recent years. Imagine how strong the Crows would be if half of them had stayed.

 

[blue shark]

Our first pick from last year play one Afl game, Broughton could of played inside mid, down back, yet traded. Would have
to be some pick to go mid, flanker, especially when we have serious depth in this dept. If we dont think we can get quality
first round, what does that say about our other picks?

 

[malpaso]

You can get decent young forwards for early picks, take Sam Reid for instance. But you really have to have an eye for them IMO. Have a look at some of the 190 cm plus gold that Adelaide's former recruiting manager has selected over recent years. Imagine how strong the Crows would be if half of them had stayed.

Sam Reid? He was picked up after we selected Houghton. Was not early

 

[Fred Ziffel]

What pick do you see him representing best available?

We will be lucky if he is still available at 17.
Our best chance of him being there is the clubs before us having different needs, but I hasten to add apart from Melbourne who have gorged on KPF's, players like Shaw are in demand.
He can get 10 possessions and kick 6-7 goals.

 

[Freo Dr]

Still like the look of Marco Paparone as possibly our 2nd pick, he is tall enough I think at 193 cm to play KPP (one cm taller than Pav) and a fair bit taller than Menzel (187), Membrey (189). He is the second tallest WA KPP in the draft behind Shaw (197 cm). Has elite endurance (14 + Beep) to get up the ground on repeated leads as the release mark coming out of defense and is apparently very strong overhead.

Very good defensive side as well which RTB would like:

http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/draft-prospect-in-focus-marco-paparone/

Rookiie list of Cook or Jai Sheehan from Melbourne also seems reasonable - remember Tom Lee was delisted by Adelaide.

 

[Dockernut]

Sam Reid? He was picked up after we selected Houghton. Was not early

Yeah, I meant late - stupid brain still on holiday.

 

[Nickos66]

We will be lucky if he is still available at 17.
Our best chance of him being there is the clubs before us having different needs, but I hasten to add apart from Melbourne who have gorged on KPF's, players like Shaw are in demand.
He can get 10 possessions and kick 6-7 goals.

There's 3-4 KPP's more than likely set to go before him.

Plowman
Stringer (depending on where he goes and where they play him)
Jaksch
Clurey
And of course Danniher

In a draft not touted as big on talls it'd be surprising to see 6 talls go in the 1st round, not even including rucks.

 

[apuchar]

opinion on the mainboard re: Lucas Cook. Pretty much what we have heard.

Ended up getting dropped to the VFL 2's this year, just hasn't been able to get big enough and put in enough effort at Casey to really get himself going, struggled big time.

A fresh start at a new club could do him some good. Sometimes it's a jolt a young kid needs to realise that he's not able to just ride the coat tails of his junior football to success, he needs to work his arse off to become an elite player. Hope he does well wherever he goes.

 

[Pavdawn]

Still like the look of Marco Paparone as possibly our 2nd pick, he is tall enough I think at 193 cm to play KPP (one cm taller than Pav) and a fair bit taller than Menzel (187), Membrey (189). He is the second tallest WA KPP in the draft behind Shaw (197 cm). Has elite endurance (14 + Beep) to get up the ground on repeated leads as the release mark coming out of defense and is apparently very strong overhead.

Very good defensive side as well which RTB would like:

http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/draft-prospect-in-focus-marco-paparone/

Rookiie list of Cook or Jai Sheehan from Melbourne also seems reasonable - remember Tom Lee was delisted by Adelaide.

Alex Howson is 195cm, kicked more goals than Paparone after starting the year as a backman, has a beep which sits around 14 and has shown the ability to play back or forward.

Paparone is not strong overhead, does not read the ball well in flight, hence why he is always out of position for the overhead pack mark, he gets under the ball far too much.

He is an excellent lead up player though.

I would much rather Brant Colledge ahead of both Shaw and Paparone.

 

[Freo_4eva]

Paparone is the second coming of Keplar Bradley (albeit a couple cm's shorter), which for a second round pick you could do alot worse

Colledge or Paparone in the second round i would be satisfied

 

[Pavdawn]

Still like the look of Marco Paparone as possibly our 2nd pick, he is tall enough I think at 193 cm to play KPP (one cm taller than Pav) and a fair bit taller than Menzel (187), Membrey (189). He is the second tallest WA KPP in the draft behind Shaw (197 cm). Has elite endurance (14 + Beep) to get up the ground on repeated leads as the release mark coming out of defense and is apparently very strong overhead.

Very good defensive side as well which RTB would like:

http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/draft-prospect-in-focus-marco-paparone/

Rookiie list of Cook or Jai Sheehan from Melbourne also seems reasonable - remember Tom Lee was delisted by Adelaide.

Marco Paparone 193/85 East Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Keplar Bradley

*TRADEMARK: Lead and Lead again

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Very accurate field kick, perhaps the by product of such a poor set shot routine. Has developed an excellent sense of where his teammates are in the forward 50 and has no trouble weighting the ball to advantage

- Kicks with penetration and solid technique on his right side when spot up his targets, has a tendency to swing and kick around corners rather than pushing back hard off the mark to get himself set. Left foot is acceptable if a little slow.

- Set shot is poor. Ball drop and momentum are the keys for Paparone, once the ball drop goes so too does the momentum. Seems to freeze up occasionally in front of goal, when he gets the yips he is gone for the day and prefers to look for targets in the forward 50. Will need to be pulled aside and given an approach technique to follow come what may.

- Is very solid by hand, has no doubt been the lead up target at training for many years and has a firm grasp of what is necessary for a teammate running past at full tilt, does not fire bullet handballs, nurses the ball onto a runners chest. Has good vision in congestion and likes to handball.



*HANDS: Clean, particularly below his knees. Does not break stride picking up the half volley and powering through with momentum.

*OVERHEAD MARKING: Paparone is excellent on the lead, his hands are always extended to which allows him to take alot of marks in front or receive and arm chop. Where he falls down is when the ball comes in from distance and he is forced to fight for the drop zone. Often lead under the ball and snatches at the ball directly above his head. Needs to read the ball better in flight and arrive at the contest with momentum.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Acceleration is very good, allows separation on the lead.

-Very good closing speed , capable of running down much smaller sized opponents, rarely does this though.

- Without doubt the fittest of all the boys over 192cm mark coming into this draft. Absolute destroys his opponents at Colts level. Runs one opponent into the ground, smiles as the next comes at him. Massive engine and perhaps capable of pushing into the middle somewhere down the line.

- Big leap, would like him to show it off more by reading the ball better in flight. Excellent cruising speed Paparone’s jog is most other players 80% sprint.

- Good work ethic, especially as a lead up target. May not get into the game early in the piece but is very hard to keep down simply due to the strength of his running game. Perhaps can do more from a defensive perspective, very capable of hunting down opposition runners, doesn’t do it enough.

Very consistent footballer effort wise, will run himself into the ground as a lead up option, will never have to ask him to give more as a leading forward. May need to refine his running patterns to cut down on unnecessary leads.

Improvement Scope

Large – Still believe MP is very raw as a footballer, set shot technique is simply not up to scratch. Also believe he has lost the ability to time his leads as he simply looks to burn his opponents into the ground. It’s a positive at underage football, will need to be more efficient once he progresses up the grades.

*AFL VERSATILITY: - High – I see Paparone being capable of playing multiple positions, his natural position presently is forward, he could be a very strong defender. Has excellent agility, long limbs and a tank to stick with the elite running forwards. A move back would mitigate his set shot kicking and potentially improve his reading of the ball in flight.


*QUERY: - Set shot kicking – ball in flight.

 

[caterina]

Marco Paparone 193/85 East Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Keplar Bradley.

Now that's a way to kill a career before it begins

 

[Taylor]

Could Paparone play as a mid full time?

 

[Big Flappy]

Marco Paparone 193/85 East Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Keplar Bradley

*TRADEMARK: Lead and Lead again

I find all this very interesting. What is the source? Any chance we could get a few more for other potential picks.

 

[Freo Dr]

Marco Paparone 193/85 East Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Keplar Bradley

*TRADEMARK: Lead and Lead again

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

That's the most thorough run-down of a draft prospect I have seen so far PD - wouldn't mind seeing the same for others - do you have a link.

 

[Pavdawn]

I find all this very interesting. What is the source? Any chance we could get a few more for other potential picks.

Name them and I'll see what's lying around.

 

[Freo Dr]

Name them and I'll see what's lying around.

Maybe Shaw, Spencer White and Colledge as equivalent KPP prospects who may come to us if you have anything.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Name them and I'll see what's lying around.

Colledge

 

[Pavdawn]

Maybe Shaw, Spencer White and Colledge as equivalent KPP prospects who may come to us if you have anything.

I don't touch anything outside of WA so I'll leave White to those who have seen more of him.

Can do Shaw and Colledge. Not straight away but over the next day or two, notes need to be arranged.

 

[Bad Brain]

I'm only going by the highlights package but I think Membrey would be great. Gets compared to Darling a lot but he looks more in the Fev mold for mine.

 

[apuchar]

I guess we are going to need to recruit both a contested marking forward and a tall lead up forward. Paparone and someone with better contested marking ability wouldn't be a bad combo. Especially, if he has the potential to play back if necessary. Good to see there appears to be some potential tall's out there this draft.

 

[apuchar]

I'm only going by the highlights package but I think Membrey would be great. Gets compared to Darling a lot but he looks more in the Fev mold for mine.

For what it is worth Terry Wallace thinks he is the first choice forward in the draft, even at 189cm. Be interesting to see where he goes.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

There's 3-4 KPP's more than likely set to go before him.

Plowman
Stringer (depending on where he goes and where they play him)
Jaksch
Clurey
And of course Danniher

In a draft not touted as big on talls it'd be surprising to see 6 talls go in the 1st round, not even including rucks.

Daniher is gone under F/S I think and Stringer is regarded more as a big utility, a bit like Pav who isn't really a KPF size.
Jaeksch I think will go before us and I reckon Shaw won't last either.

 

[caterina]

he looks more in the Fev mold for mine.

If anyone compares one of our KPF prospects to Grenville Dietrich or Mark Jackson there'll be hell to pay.

 

[Pavdawn]

Mason Shaw 197/84 South Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Lachlen Hansen

*TRADEMARK: Overhead grab

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Accurate field kick weighted very much to the right side. The mechanics of Shaws kicking are very, very good. Not alot can go wrong from the drop to the follow through. Limited development on his left hand side.

- Set shot is one of the best attributes to his game, has obviously been the last off the track practising his technique, approach and action. Very calm, very composed, good momentum and the result is reflected by his accuracy. Particularly good from the 20 to 45m range, kicks through the ball, occasionally nurses the ball home from 20 out.

- Shaws field kicking and vision is good, always looks to move the ball on quickly whether by hand or foot. Penetration on his right side excellent. Drills his kicks low and hard to stationary targets, not afraid to move the ball swiftly into the corridor, displays confidence in his football skills.


- Smart play at ground level for a player his size, isn’t overly quick but capable of displaying enough dexterity to side step smaller opponents to create scoring opportunities. Rarely handballs.

Another area of Shaws game which is under developed but displays great potential is his body work at ruck stoppages, leans into his player with his hips. If he can transfer this to his marking game he will knock a lot of defenders off their base and secure more genuine one on one marks.



*HANDS: Clean, particularly overhead. Will let the ball hit his shins if not on a platter.

*OVERHEAD MARKING: Shaws absolute strength is his overhead marking ability. Very much from the Jordan Roughead school of marking the ball at the highest possible point, Shaw leaps and extends his arms skyward to allow his opponent no easy spoils. Let’s himself down when he is pushed under the ball by seemingly giving up the contest too easily, crept into his game the longer the season went and appeared apprehensive in marking contests with a pack later in the year.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Acceleration is ok, capable of leading hard and in a straight line, extends the arms which is a positive to ensure the spoiler has to go around him to get at the ball.

-Minimal effort on the defensive side of the ledger, rarely chased opponents down.

- Shaws intensity can seem off to the naked eye, very laconic in his movements and absolutely needs to build a better tank to improve his ability to get to more contests. Needs to show more desire to back into his opponent if he loses control of the drop zone, too easily lead under the football this year. Perhaps cruising this year as he waits for the draft. That said still securing a lot of shots on goal.

- Leap is large enough to ensure an opponent is out of the contest when Shaw is fully extended. Quite dexterous for a big man at ground level. Will never burn opponents on the lead but uses his frame to protect the ball well on the lead.

- Ok work ethic, not sure if his tank needs some attention but too often looks for the easy option of having the ball bombed on his head, may work in underage football but needs to get on his bike a bit more. Very smart leader so needs to make more of that.
Cannot argue with his ability to generate scoring shots, however some negative attributes have crept into his game. Needs to be more competitive when he loses the drop zone, at least break even.

Improvement Scope

Medium – Shaw has some important areas which require some attention, namely his agility, tank and willingness to fight for the dropzone if the ball is not on a platter. Strong base for a deep forward

*AFL VERSATILITY: - Low – Shaws game is forward, he’s presently one of the better prospects out there but the versatility in his game is lacking. I see Shaw as a deep forward for the most part of his career, if he develops his tank he may have the ability to play as a roaming CHF. Too small to be anything other than a third string ruck option. Comparisons to Tippett are off, not big enough and not as agile.


*QUERY: - Where does he play if he can’t impact as a forward?