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the AOD in question has never been legal for athletes to use.
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the AOD in question has never been legal for athletes to use.
blackshadow
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Who would *Essendon sue?
If they went the AFL, what would stop the AFL from taking their licence?
WADA, ASADA? Good luck with suing organisations for doing their job.
Dank, probably but does he have any assets to sue for?
I know, sue the players! We have the documents they signed saying everything was WADA approved. They're the ones responsible for what went into their bodies, so it's all their fault!
I'm saying you are letting the media put words in Essendons mouth.
IF essendon did use AOD there is still a very good chance they will avoid penalties because of the ambiguous way AOD has been classified by wada and mainly ASADA.
DudleyB
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Will be more out of the world when the penny drops for the players and they all realise they got shafted by the club.
At the moment the players are still buying into the clubs "we are a family in this together" crap.
Sooner or later the players will realise ... hang on here....None would really treat their own family like this...
Don't speak sense. It's not sexy. Nor is Melbs captain evidently.
Dustin Credible
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There are two stable solutions to how Dank was able to do this despite clearly not getting approval.
One is deception by Dank as you've outlined. The other is that the powers that be at Essendon knew all of this ,regarding the lack of approval, and pressed on anyway.
They know less than us?
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Not this time mate, maybe an individual case but this is massive news, the world is watching, if WADA-ASADA are lenient it will give a green light to every backyard scientist in the world to concoct up brews of their own, it will set a very dangerous trend IMO.
TheGreatBarryB
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But WADA said it has been prohibited since Jan 2011.
Show me something that shows WADA or ASADA have been ambiguous on classification
blackshadow
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Unfortunately some families are pretty f#cked, especially when money and power is involved.
Correct. There are three scenarios two above and the slim chance Asada fkd up. Players signed forms assuring them goods were compliant. Club doctor signed off. Another club used it on their captain. Question is why? I care less about the act than the governance. Why is Dank and Hird "confident?" Naive perhaps? Desperate? Probably. Lot to still play out. Don't buy that eveything is out yet. If so then the corp gov failures by two clubs is beyond our wildest imagination.
Ambiguous between wada and ASADA. Mum didn't seem to give the same advice as dad. This is where I think this will be won or lost. How can they ban players if advice from ASADA was misleading?
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It's an SO rated compound, never been tested for human use, either way athletes can't use it.
TheGreatBarryB
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Just curious, what do you think was more likely? If it scenario 2 why wouldn't Dank just come out and say "we didn't get permission but they wanted to go ahead anyway. Don't blame me."
Why even the need to say "i have a letter with approval"?
why would Vlad, who keeps telling us he knows more that we do, come out today and talk to sponsor and say "support the club....they're not hiding anything"? Strange.
He didn't get the grey area response he was hoping for the first time?
blackshadow
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Time to stop flogging this horse, it's dead.
There's nothing misleading from ASADA.
If you think that the ACC report indicates that there is remember a couple of things - that report was prepared in 2013, well after the 2012 *Essendon doping program was over and that the ACC aren't experts on performance enhancing drugs and drugs in sport law. Their expertise is in tracking down criminals.
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Never been approved for human use then?
There is nothing ambiguous about the email. Dank pretending it might be ambiguous does not make it ambiguous. This exchange has effectively removed that defence UNLESS there is further evidence which introduces ambiguity.
Note mxett is assuming theres a 'real' letter somewhere from Asada or someone that says AOD-9604 is OK to use.
There is no evidence of this.
And EFC apparently doesnt have a copy. That nice Mr Dank has a copy, however.
Have ASADA ever said it's an allowed substance or simply that it's not banned.....If EFC have written approval that AOD "IS ALLOWED" then they have a case. If not they are screwed big time.
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