Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

[Barkly St End]

There have been countless reports out of the AFL that suggest the complete opposite and that the AFL are as much out of the loop regarding some of the key issues as the rest of us.

It was a joint investigation.

An AFL rep sat on every interview - every single interview.

There are no surprises (and every competent orgnasation will always have as a first priority: no surprises).

 

[Lance Uppercut]

The AFL are unaware of the information ASADA is sitting on, they were only given an interim report which named no players and which was only aimed at governance.

huh?

Um, it has been a joint investigation mate. The AFL have sat in an ALL interviews. They know everything ASADA know. Yet they still say no infractions are coming under their code without new evidence.

 

[FyfesBoot]

It was a joint investigation.

An AFL rep sat on every interview - every single interview.

There are no surprises (and every competent organisation will always have as a first priority: no surprises).

It's a pity EFC isn't one of those.

You're wrong again BSE, but that's no great surprise. ASADA are not going to produce an interim report and then not follow up with a final report, so they're not going to leave things as they stand. The evidence is there somewhere (Dank would certainly have detailed records) and they will eventually dig it out.

 

[Barkly St End]

It's a pity EFC isn't one of those.

You're wrong again BSE, but that's no great surprise. ASADA are not going to produce an interim report and then not follow up with a final report, so they're not going to leave things as they stand. The evidence is there somewhere (Dank would certainly have detailed records) and they will eventually dig it out.

Am I wrong that it was a joint investigation?

Am I wrong that ASADA and the AFL are currently patting in each others' backs on a job well done?

Am I wrong that Fahey has softened his language in the last 24 hours?

It's over.

 

[FyfesBoot]

huh?

Um, it has been a joint investigation mate. The AFL have sat in an ALL interviews. They know everything ASADA know. Yet they still say no infractions are coming under their code without new evidence.

This:

The AFL have sat in an ALL interviews

Does not necessarily mean this:

They know everything ASADA know

 

[FyfesBoot]

Am I wrong that it was a joint investigation?

Am I wrong that ASADA and the AFL are currently patting in each others' backs on a job well done?

Am I wrong that Fahey has softened his language in the last 24 hours?

It's over.

Yes, you are wrong.

On everything.

It's not over.

 

[Underdog]

huh?

Um, it has been a joint investigation mate. The AFL have sat in an ALL interviews. They know everything ASADA know. Yet they still say no infractions are coming under their code without new evidence.

Why would ASADA provide the AFL and thereby Essendon the information regarding specific players when it's an ongoing investigation and the charges last night were AFL violations largely irrelevant to their case?

How do you not get this?

The charges last night were largely IRRELEVANT to ASADA.

They were AFL code violations. ASADA provided them evidence to support their case, that's it.

No way in hell are they going to compromise their ongoing investigation for the sake of another organisation wanting to enforce their own rules.

 

[natio]

The mob sees what it wants to see.

Note that the mob quotes selectively from the AFL statement. Here are the bits worth noting:




The mob always leaves out that last sentence when quoting from the AFL statement.

Yeh, the investigation might remain open forever.

Yeh, if ASADA stumbles on somethin new, they might issue an infraction notice.

Yeh, we heard what WADA said, but who cares.

Yeh, I might win lotto one day.

The mob needs to understand this: the AFL sat on every interview - they know everything ASADA knows, unless something incredibly juicy falls out of the sky - it's over.

Yeh, they'll say stuff to make you think that something more might happen (potentially, maybe, a long way down the track, in another lifetime...)

But seriously folks - in reality - given the tight partnership of ASADA and the AFL on this - as far as the players are concerned - it's over.

Well played by the AFL.

It's over.

BSE, I know you are a HUGE fan of constructions AND adverbs and such. You might want to take note to the the "ALSO" in the"...could also result if further information comes to hand."

Which means there are multiple ways listed in which more charges could be laid. Firstly, the investigation is ongoing - as it said in the previous paragraph - and that may lead to more individual charges (e.g. player charges)(this may not require more information, as it may just be a matter of further analysis and focus of the information they currently have). Secondly, if new information comes to hand charges ALSO might be laid.

You see, it's not just about more information. "Also" is the key word. I'm surprised someone of your intelligence and skill in parsing language would fail to pick up on that.

[Just on a side note: I have noticed you have be running a BSE against the mod narrative lately. To me, this just sounds like a fun-house-mirror version of the Emperor with no clothes. But it's not the ministers telling you how great your clothes (arguments) are, it's you - and the rest of the public (BF board) can see you are naked (incorrect/trolling) but you will never believe it because you ministers (you) told you the mob (BF board) are will never be fit or intelligent enough to see you clothing (that you are correct). ]

 

[Colonial]

Yeh, we heard what WADA said, but who cares.

The Government for one. The same Government who spends a bit of the old cash flow into Aussie Rules programs and infrastructure.

 

[Barkly St End]

BSE, I know you are a HUGE fan of constructions AND adverbs and such. You might want to take note to the the "ALSO" in the"...could also result if further information comes to hand."

I saw that bit.

It means: it's over baby, unless something completely unforeseen happens.

The AFL has been working alonside ASADA on the investigation since day one.

It was a joint investigation.

There is nothing about the investigation which the AFL does not know.

So when the AFL says: if further info comes to hand - they are really saying: it's over baby.

As for the rest of your post - didn't understand any of it to be honest.

 

[Barkly St End]

The Government for one. The same Government who spends a bit of the old cash flow into Aussie Rules programs and infrastructure.

Perhaps I was a bit too flippant.

ASADA is an arm of Government.

The AFL and ASADA have conducted (and almost completed) a joint investigation.

There will be no findings against an individual player.

I don't think WADA can do anything about it unless they want to undertake the investigation themselves (not sure if they can even do that - I don't think so).

 

[rumply]

Why would ASADA provide the AFL and thereby Essendon the information regarding specific players when it's an ongoing investigation and the charges last night were AFL violations largely irrelevant to their case?

How do you not get this?

The charges last night were largely IRRELEVANT to ASADA.

They were AFL code violations. ASADA provided them evidence to support their case, that's it.

No way in hell are they going to compromise their ongoing investigation for the sake of another organisation wanting to enforce their own rules.

Wrong - to quote GW -

'The announcement yesterday brings in everybody, that wasnt a rouge announcement by the AFL pending what ASADA's going to say. There are going to be no infraction notices on the evidence that is currently before the AFL & thats the evidence gathered by ASADA, so unless something else comes to light the players are in the clear."

Whats all she wrote folks as far as the players are concerned.

 

[Cronos]

The immense offended and legal threats are going to be epic when this is actually finished.

[edit]Hmm, I didn't expect that word to be replaced with offended...

 

[FyfesBoot]

There will be no findings against an individual player.

Are you certain of that? How about a bet where if one or more players on Essendon's list in 2012 is issued with an infraction notice, you cease posting.

 

[Cronos]

Are you certain of that? How about a bet where if one or more players on Essendon's list in 2012 is issued with an infraction notice, you cease posting.

That would be much easier on BSE than actually staying around to have all these posts requoted for him.

 

[Barkly St End]

Wrong - to quote GW -

'The announcement yesterday brings in everybody, that wasnt a rouge announcement by the AFL pending what ASADA's going to say. There are going to no infraction notices on the evidence that is currently before the AFL & thats the evidence gathered by ASADA, so unless something else comes to light the players are in the clear."

Whats all she wrote folks as far as the players are concerned.

Peole have to start getting their heads round this.

When the AFL say that there will be no infraction notices against players unless new info comes to light - they need to understand that as things currently stand - there is nothing else.

There is no info lurking in the ASADA corner waiting to emerge.

The only uncertainty is Dank - that's it.

Apart from that - it's over - done and dusted.

 

[FyfesBoot]

That would be much easier on BSE than actually staying around to have all these posts requoted for him.

I think it will be worse if he reads them and can't respond, but mostly I'm thinking of the mob and how relieved we would all be.

 

[Underdog]

Wrong - to quote GW -

'The announcement yesterday brings in everybody, that wasnt a rouge announcement by the AFL pending what ASADA's going to say. There are going to no infraction notices on the evidence that is currently before the AFL & thats the evidence gathered by ASADA, so unless something else comes to light the players are in the clear."

Whats all she wrote folks as far as the players are concerned.

The evidence was only for the purposes of addressing the issues around governance in the AFL code which is outside the scope of ASADA.

There is no way ASADA would have provided the AFL evidence sensitive to their ongoing investigation when it's not yet complete, irrelevant to the code being addressed last night and Essendon had access to it.

 

[Barkly St End]

Are you certain of that? How about a bet where if one or more players on Essendon's list in 2012 is issued with an infraction notice, you cease posting.

I have over five times the posts which you have and brand recognition.

One does not toy with such intellectual property.

 

[Cronos]

in·ter·im

[in-ter-uhm]
noun
1.
an intervening time; interval; meantime: in the interim.
2.
a temporary or provisional arrangement; stopgap; makeshift.
— adj
1. ( prenominal ) temporary, provisional, or intervening: interim measures to deal with the emergency

 

[rumply]

The evidence was only for the purposes of addressing the issues around governance in the AFL code which is outside the scope of ASADA.

There is no way ASADA would have provided the AFL evidence sensitive to their ongoing investigation when it's not yet complete, irrelevant to the code being addressed last night and Essendon had access to it.

Just no - the AFL have been sitting next to ASADA at every point for the last 6 months - there ius nothing ASADA know that the AFL do not.

 

[Barkly St End]

I think it will be worse if he reads them and can't respond, but mostly I'm thinking of the mob and how relieved we would all be.

YOu will have your day in the sun if it transpires.

I will be here to give you that satisfaction.

But seriously - how can anyone possibly think there's more to come?

Are you thinking that new info will be made available by Dank ( a possibility) or that ASADA are sitting on something about which the AFL have no idea.

If it's the latter - I would seriously have to question your smarts.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

If the 400 page report did not contain a single players name, I can't see how the AFL could lay any charges ESPECIALLY as the investigstion is ongoing.w
Don't forget, they were waiting for this interim before coming out with any decision.
If the AFL had all the information all this time, why did they wait for the report at all?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

This:

Does not necessarily mean this:

that's true, but sitting in on interviews isn't all the AFL have been doing, one would presume. Once again, it's been a "joint investigation".

 

[Barkly St End]

Just no - the AFL have been sitting next to ASADA at every point for the last 6 months - there ius nothing ASADA know that the AFL do not.

I know it has now been said many times - but it's worth reiterating - as things currenty stand - the AFL know everything that needs to be known about this case - it was a joint investigation.