Gillard's AWU/Wilson past about to haunt her?

[BMWrules]

If you are going to post articles about this, at least try to find ones that aren't bullshit NB re the slush fund.

It would help if you and the author had read her exit interview.

IA is a nut job sight.

 

[Windhover]

Windhover


The Slush fund she set up was used in a fraud, indirectly she was involved.

Oh, I get it now. Gillard's now deceased dad raised her so he to was indirectly involved. The WA government at the time who appointed those who approved the set up of the slush fund were indirectly involved. And on and on.

When you use weasel words like "indirectly involved" might I suggest all you are really saying is: "There is nothing to see here, despite appearances. Please move on." In which case I would be happy to agree with you.

Politically this is called the whiff of corruption, its not a good look.

No, "politically" it is called a massive beat-up to distract the stupid from matters that are of real importance. The beauty of it from Abbott's point of view was he didn't even push the barrow because he had a compliant media doing it all the barrow. See? No dirty fingers.

Do you honestly think this did no damage to her self proclaimed high moral status ?

Um, I am not sure what question you are asking. I do not even know what you are referring to as Gillard's "self-proclaimed" high moral status. I mean, she admits to having a sexual relationship with a man to whom she is not married. For some people this is an admission of very low moral standing. I am pleased to see you are more tolerant on the issue but people are entitled to their own moral opinions.

Perhaps you could expand on the subject and tell us all in what ways Gillard expressed by words, acts and/or deeds (and thus "self-proclaimed") a high moral status. I would be interested in that.

No I don't have any evidence she knew, but do you believe she knew nothing ?

When I have no proper material on which to form an opinion on a subject one way or the other, I refrain from holding an opinion. But that means I have no reason to suspect Gillard of any wrongdoing. I do not have "a belief" that she knew nothing, because I simply don't know. But, naturally enough, the result is the same.

Since you now admit to not having any evidence Gillard knew anything that might implicate her in any wrongdoing in relation to matters that go back nearly 20 years, I am surprised you do not regard the whole thing as a complete nonsense.

If you do your a fool or Gillard is grossly incompetent. Which is it ? both?

What an interesting binary. I hope you now understand that I have no "belief" one way or the other - and it seems nor do you (or at least you have no evidence for your belief and you are the sort of person that likes to believe in non-evidence based thingies like fairies and unicorns). How or why I should accept Gillard was grossly incompetent 20 years ago is not explained by you. Certainly I accept Gillard made mistakes. She has admitted as much. Making mistakes does not necessarily make a person "incompetent" let alone grossly so. Otherwise, by your "self-proclaimed" high standards we would all be in for a fair bit of criticism.

Reporting is just that, reporting exactly what was said or describing what was seen.

If you don't know the difference between reporting and opinion which it seems you don't then I suggest you don't talk about media bias at all.

Why is it I get the awkward feeling that we are not understanding each other. It seems from your response that what I post is as much a mystery to you as what you post is to me. I at least comfort myself with the knowledge that I explain to you what I do not understand. You seem blissfully ignorant of your misunderstandings. Far be it for me to suggest that is other than a temporary state of mind - since I can have no evidence of your other activities.

 

[Norfolk Nadia]

http://www.presscouncil.org.au/apc-update-20-september-2013/

The Council’s responsibilities in responding to the complaint did not require it to accept or reject the truth of any of the assertions made by or against Slater and Gordon in relation to Ms Gillard’s work at the firm.
Accordingly, it did not do so. It also did not rule that the journalist in questions had “fabricated evidence” as claimed in one website.
What the Council did rule was that Slater and Gordon should have been given an opportunity by Fairfax Media to respond to some of the assertions made against it in the articles before they were published.

 

[Dry Rot]

If I knew how to get this post into my signature I would do so. It just about sums you up DR. Meanwhile, since things are pretty stale for the moment, why don't you have a read of this link to a recent Press Council ruling. http://www.independentaustralia.net...finds-fairfax-fabricated-awu-gillard-stories/

It might make you think twice about the "sources" of your information of events many years ago. Or maybe not. And who would have thunk a left wing rag like the Age would be up to fabrication?

Anyway, happy popcorn eating DR.

If you are going to post articles about this, at least try to find ones that aren't bullshit NB re the slush fund.

It would help if you and the author had read her exit interview.

http://www.presscouncil.org.au/apc-update-20-september-2013/

How embarrassing Windhover.

It might make you think twice about the "sources" of your information

Indeed.

 

[BMWrules]

Windhover


So why bring her dad up ?

She set up the slush fund that was used in a fraud ...... do you deny that or did her dead dad do that ?

WTF bring up her dad ? Are they the voices in her head that made her do it ?

Your an odd ball or a low ball.

I am merely pointing out she either lacks judgement or character ..... you can choose.

Sleeping with a fraudster is a huge political issue.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Point me in the direction of the person who's never made a mistake in their life please. The person who's never been in a relationship with someone they weren't well matched to, or couldn't trust.The person who's never done anything wrong.

Who is this perfect individual? I'd like to know, so that I never have to spend any time in their company. They'd be as boring as all ****.

 

[BMWrules]

Point me in the direction of the person who's never made a mistake in their life please. The person who's never been in a relationship with someone they weren't well matched to, or couldn't trust.The person who's never done anything wrong.

Who is this perfect individual? I'd like to know, so that I never have to spend any time in their company. They'd be as boring as all ****.

I don't recall setting up dodgy slush funds which ended up being used by my partner to commit a big fraud?

This was no mistake, even Gillard stated it was a dodgy slush fund but fell short of admitting to knowing about the fraud.

This was a fraud committed in the name of a union who did nothing about it, it tied Gillard to a dodgy slush fund, a dodgy character and union that sat on its hands about it all.

It was a perfect gift for the coalition and the ALP should really of back ground checked this whole thing, politicians are held to a higher standard just look at all the baseless rubbish they have published about Abbott and others.

I guess you would be fine with Ivan Milat who has made at least seven mistakes that we know about, leading the ALP using your logic.

 

[Gough]

How would you describe the judgement or character of a man who gave a court reference to a paedophile priest?

 

[Brown Bottle]

I don't recall setting up dodgy slush funds which ended up being used by my partner to commit a big fraud?

One might assume that's because you're not a lawyer. That's pretty obvious, actually.

This was no mistake, even Gillard stated it was a dodgy slush fund but fell short of admitting to knowing about the fraud.

This was a fraud committed in the name of a union who did nothing about it, it tied Gillard to a dodgy slush fund, a dodgy character and union that sat on its hands about it all.

It was a perfect gift for the coalition and the ALP should really of back ground checked this whole thing, politicians are held to a higher standard just look at all the baseless rubbish they have published about Abbott and others.

I guess you would be fine with Ivan Milat who has made at least seven mistakes that we know about, leading the ALP using your logic.

So what she admitted to was a poor decision regarding a personal relationship?

The rest of your post is moronic drivel. Ivan Milat? Why not invoke Godwin while you're at it? Enjoy your day off.

 

[Relativity]

Abbott will announce a broad ranging royal commission into governance in unions in the next ten days. Commissioner Stuey wood

Pandora's box. This will go longer than the Cole RC into the building and construction industry 11 years ago and cost plenty. Unlikely to flush out the rats. As Power Raid suggested Abbott would be much smarter if he saved the expense and brought in stricter regulation rules. We already know it's crook.

 

[tazzietiger]

Pandora's box. This will go longer than the Cole RC into the building and construction industry 11 years ago and cost plenty. Unlikely to flush out the rats. As Power Raid suggested Abbott would be much smarter if he saved the expense and brought in stricter regulation rules. We already know it's crook.

Without the a royal commissioners recommendations the ALP and unions will paint the stricter regulation as a liberal anti union vindictive policy and will repeal it in the future.

 

[Relativity]

Without the a royal commissioners recommendations the ALP and unions will paint the stricter regulation as a liberal anti union vindictive policy and will repeal it in the future.

They repealed Howard's workplace reforms born of the Cole RC so I can't see this RC bullet proofing any resulting legislation.

 

[romeoh]

What's she been charged with?

 

[DeanoT]

What's she been charged with?

Conduct unbecoming and bringing the nation into disrepute.

 

[romeoh]

Conduct unbecoming and bringing the nation into disrepute.

Haha -I must have missed that-didn't see anything in the papers.
Still at least we can feel confident we have someone with a clue in charge-denying the existence of climate change is very forward step indeed.

 

[Power Raid]

With respect APRA and ASIC have been policing that for years. If you are bitching about union sponsored rights to appoint - those directors have done no worse than finance types. In any event that gerrymandering is on Abbotts radar already

????

I don't think we are on the same wave length. I want unions to be governed with the same professional attitudes as companies. Is there an issue?

 

[Power Raid]

Conduct unbecoming and bringing the nation into disrepute.

Shame we don't have this concept for politicians. we enforce the concept of disrepute on our military but our politicians are like teflon.

 

[Windhover]

How embarrassing Windhover.

Oh DR, you have done it again! What I did was link (through the IA site) to the Press Council ruling. I made no comment on, indeed did not even read, the IA commentary.

As it happens, if you take the time to read the IA article and read the Press Council ruling and its "rebuttal", I am quite satisfied that Baker's claim (expressed as "it is believed") that Slug and Glug were deliberately concealing a flie containing the letter sent by Gillard to set up the slush fund is without any basis in fact. That is, it is bs, a fabrication, etc. The Press Council ruling confirms this:
The second was that a former lawyer had ‘accused the firm of stalling’ in handing over the file.

Baker wrote in the article:

‘The file is believed to contain a copy of the letter Ms Gillard sent to the Corporate Affairs Commission affirming the association would be devoted to workplace safety.’

The law firm has consistently said there was no file. The Press Council now confirms Baker’s claims were false.


But do tell us all how Gillard's exit interview adds to the sum of human knowledge on this subject, as you imply. We are all breathless.

 

[Windhover]

Windhover


So why bring her dad up ?

She set up the slush fund that was used in a fraud ...... do you deny that or did her dead dad do that ?

WTF bring up her dad ? Are they the voices in her head that made her do it ?.

Apparently you do not understand argument by analogy. Fair enough, I guess it is high school level logic. I was trying to make the point that being "indirectly" involved in fraud, when one has no knowledge that a fraud has been committed (a state of mind you are willing to accept Gillard may have been in) does not involve any moral turpitude. Just like her dad . . . Get it now? . . . oh well, can't say I didn't try.

I am merely pointing out she either lacks judgement or character ..... you can choose.

And I am merely pointing out, with the advantage of explanation to back my assertion, that your binary is bs.

 

[Dry Rot]

Oh DR, you have done it again! What I did was link (through the IA site) to the Press Council ruling. I made no comment on, indeed did not even read, the IA commentary.

As it happens, if you take the time to read the IA article and read the Press Council ruling and its "rebuttal", I am quite satisfied that Baker's claim (expressed as "it is believed") that Slug and Glug were deliberately concealing a flie containing the letter sent by Gillard to set up the slush fund is without any basis in fact. That is, it is bs, a fabrication, etc. The Press Council ruling confirms this:
The second was that a former lawyer had ‘accused the firm of stalling’ in handing over the file.

Baker wrote in the article:

‘The file is believed to contain a copy of the letter Ms Gillard sent to the Corporate Affairs Commission affirming the association would be devoted to workplace safety.’

The law firm has consistently said there was no file. The Press Council now confirms Baker’s claims were false.


But do tell us all how Gillard's exit interview adds to the sum of human knowledge on this subject, as you imply. We are all breathless.

Go back and read your IA link, and you'll see the bullshit. NB around bank accounts and slush funds.

 

[Contra Mundum]

????

I don't think we are on the same wave length. I want unions to be governed with the same professional attitudes as companies. Is there an issue?

With respect to Union sponsored super funds they are regulated under an exactly similar statutory regime as finance companies through to SIS Act

. I am with you on the compliance of unions as corporate entities brother - even though you cannot kick a crook CEO or Board out like you can to a rotten trade union executive.

Under the Shorten amendments to the RO Act you have to disclose the income your receive from Boards which you are on because of your union office.

 

[medusala]

I am with you on the compliance of unions as corporate entities brother - even though you cannot kick a crook CEO or Board out like you can to a rotten trade union executive.

Call an EGM and spill the board?

 

[tazzietiger]

Abbott will announce a broad ranging royal commission into governance in unions in the next ten days. Commissioner Stuey wood

A royal Commission might bring more public attention to union political slush funds.

ONE of Australia's largest unions has been accused of running an illegal slush fund to bankroll a Labor faction.

Former official Brenden Sheehan has taken the Australian Services Union and several of its senior officials to court, arguing its Queensland branch has been forcing employees to contribute to a slush fund disguised as a social fund.
He appeared briefly in the Federal Magistrates Court in Brisbane today, claiming the union unfairly dismissed him in May because he blew the whistle on the fund.
“I haven't just been sacked; my name has also been blackened,” Mr Sheehan said outside court.
“I haven't been able to get a job since.”
He said this was despite having a 15-year union career, including in senior union positions in Australia and New Zealand.
Mr Sheehan claims union employees were required to contribute one per cent of their salaries into the Happy Wanderers Club as a condition of their employment.
“It's a sham. The money is used instead to finance candidates in the union's elections all of whom hold senior positions with the ALP,” he alleged.
“We were forced to contribute to it, which is highly illegal.”
He alleges the fund was set up in 2002.
Mr Sheehan, 44, also told the court he wants a freeze on the fund, which he estimated to be holding about $180,000.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-fund-court-told/story-fn59nqld-1226726806800

 

[tandino]

Up to their old tricks, I see.

 

[Contra Mundum]

A royal Commission might bring more public attention to union political slush funds.

Yeh but brendan sheehan has no credibility