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Coward Punch - Murder or Manslaughter?

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Armesy said:
The question still stands though. Is getting killed an appropriate punishment for a broken jaw? You've missed what I was trying to say totally. Forget it.
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If you're capable of breaking someones jaw without provocation you've got it in you to do much worse.

I've seen some pretty nasty stuff in my life and its made me pretty desensitized to a lot of violence.

Seeing that poor kid get king hit like that and the sound it made from the punch and his head hitting the wall made was one of the worst things I've witnessed.

That young man could could easily have died that night.

I haven't missed your point. I just do think that the world is better off without people who have such scant regard for a young persons life like that piece of shit did.
 
nobulltiger said:
It's called reality, deal with it.
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If someone killed someone I loved, I would gain no satisfaction in then seeing them killed. Seeing them locked away, losing their freedom and dignity for twenty odd years, now that is what I would call justice.
 
Gough said:
If someone killed someone I loved, I would gain no satisfaction in then seeing them killed. Seeing them locked away, losing their freedom and dignity for twenty odd years, now that is what I would call justice.
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So you're happy to pay taxes to feed that scum?

Come on man, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life.
 

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nobulltiger said:
So you're happy to pay taxes to feed that scum?

Come on man, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life.
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Yep, no problems with that, a civillised society doesn't lawfully kill it's citizens in any circumstances.
 
Gough said:
Yep, no problems with that, a civillised society doesn't lawfully kill it's citizens in any circumstances.
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It's because of soft ***** like you that crime rises, punishments that you think are hardcore are soft as.
 
Gus Poyet said:
If you're capable of breaking someones jaw without provocation you've got it in you to do much worse.

I've seen some pretty nasty stuff in my life and its made me pretty desensitized to a lot of violence.

Seeing that poor kid get king hit like that and the sound it made from the punch and his head hitting the wall made was one of the worst things I've witnessed.

That young man could could easily have died that night.

I haven't missed your point. I just do think that the world is better off without people who have such scant regard for a young persons life like that piece of shit did.
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Agreed.
 
Gough said:
Yep, no problems with that, a civillised society doesn't lawfully kill it's citizens in any circumstances.
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If a civilised society is full of uncivilised people it's not civilised anymore.

How would you feel if the person got out after 20 years and re-offended?
 
nobulltiger said:
So you're happy to pay taxes to feed that scum?

Come on man, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life.
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While i lean more towards Capitol punishment , i also think death is too good for some campaigners
 
nobulltiger said:
It's because of soft ***** like you that crime rises, punishments that you think are hardcore are soft as.
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I'd hardly describe spending twenty year in prison "soft", I'm also a believer in the power of rehabilitation and redemption. If I had my way we would spend more money on prisons and make genuine attempts to rehabilitate people, because the odd psycho aside, I believe nobody is inherently evil.
 
Gough said:
I'd hardly describe spending twenty year in prison "soft", I'm also a believer in the power of rehabilitation and redemption. If I had my way we would spend more money on prisons and make genuine attempts to rehabilitate people, because the odd psycho aside, I believe nobody is inherently evil.
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yeah great thinking

kill someone it's ok, we will rehabilitate and council you for when you get out in 20 years and flip on society again

Let's tax more off people so morons can pretend to be rehabilitated and go screw up a few more lives to be fed for free and given a bed again to go in a pefect little circle called getting away with it.

Get real Gough
 
Gough said:
I'd hardly describe spending twenty year in prison "soft", I'm also a believer in the power of rehabilitation and redemption. If I had my way we would spend more money on prisons and make genuine attempts to rehabilitate people, because the odd psycho aside, I believe nobody is inherently evil.
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That's fair enough with certain crimes. However with others, it's some what playing russian roulette with other peoples lives by sending some types back out into the community.
 

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Good to see the Today Tonight crew out in force :thumbsu:

The hysteria about the so called "king hit craze" has truly reached epic proportions. I'm almost in awe that I was able to make it home last Saturday night without my face rearranged.

The guy has been charged with murder, and should end up getting a lengthy jail sentence - deservedly so.

The DPP will deal with what charge to lay on people who end up in front of the courts. To start re-writing rules based on whatever the latest soap box the media has gotten onto is a very dangerous route to start taking - especially when it involves the potential for murder, as their current soap box issue has.
 
no problem with the full force of the law being thrown at this thug...I guess we should be thankful he didn't kill the other 3 people he struck be inflicting his fatal blow on Daniel Christie. FFS he was on a rampage and assaulted 3 other people a few minutes earlier, so, from where I'm sitting he was itching to do some real damage to anyone in his way.

as a victim of a serious head injury by a violent crime I can tell you from now these %$#&! need to be locked away for 20 years +.
 
And anyone arguing that it matters if the damage is done when the head hits the ground rather than the fist hitting the head is a stupid loser.
 
So much **** up in this thread.

Anyone wants to frame odds about him getting convicted of murder I'm all ears.

Pretty irresponsible from the nsw government I would have thought.
 
Run n Spread said:
To my understanding intent to kill or a reasonable person knowing their actions are likely to cause death must be proven for a murder conviction.
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Close. Not a reasonable person - the accused.

The reasonable person test applies to a lot of stuff in law, but not when you are talking about intent. In order to form the requisite intent for murder, the accused person must have foreseen that death was a probable consequence of their act, but chose to act anyway.

It seems a very, very difficult to prove that in this case. Death is a possible consequence of a king hit, sure, but probable? Don't see a judge buying that. Let alone that the accused knew it was probable.

I would guess that the DPP was told to treat this as a test case. They will lose on murder, the offender will be convicted of manslaughter and the government will use it as a reason to change the law.

Edit: intent to inflict GBH is another possibility I suppose. But like intent to kill, I think that would be hard to prove. I reckon they are going for the reckless indifference angle.
 

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checkraiseulite said:
to what?
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Who knows?

Possibly they will do what the ALP government did after the Bilal Skaf gang rapes, where they framed up a new offence (in that case, aggrevated sexual assault in company) with incredibly tough sentencing rules that was designed to catch that one, very specific kind of crime.

It's not particularly good legislative design, but it makes for good press. And it's better than messing with the fundamentals of the murder law.
 
Caesar said:
Who knows?

Possibly they will do what the ALP government did after the Bilal Skaf gang rapes, where they framed up a new offence (in that case, aggrevated sexual assault in company) with incredibly tough sentencing rules that was designed to catch that one, very specific kind of crime.

It's not particularly good legislative design, but it makes for good press. And it's better than messing with the fundamentals of the murder law.
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the problem with that is a punch to the head is not one, very specific kind of crime. there's such a broad spectrum of ways a fatal punch can be thrown, compared to the gang rape situation where the spectrum, whilst still in existence, is much narrower.

intervening to force a murder charge on the bloke makes for good press as well, even though all it's going to do is cause public rage when he's inevitably acquitted (if he's even tried for murder).

DPP left holding the can as always, whilst the government will be able to say it did all it could.

just to play devil's advocate i love the contrast between this thread and the shark culling thread. there are a couple of interesting parallels to be drawn.
 
checkraiseulite said:
charged and convicted (and even tried) are different things.

willing to bet with u if you want that he doesn't get convicted of murder.
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sorry thought you said 'charged' (as opposed to 'convicted') in your earlier post. misread it.

i'll leave the betting elsewhere. the result of the upcoming trial doesn't really concern me to be honest.
 

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