Preview Round 20 - Richmond v Essendon @ MCG - 7:50pm Fri 08/08/14 - Congratulations Foley on 150 games

[eth-dog]

Mate IDGAF what you think, Lids is a better player than Hibberd, fullstop.

Lids is a gun, no doubt, but Hibberd pre-injury was in All Australian calculations. Averaging 24 disposals across HB while keeping your man quiet most of the time is bloody excellent, whichever way you look at it.

 

[DontArgue4]

Lids is a gun, no doubt, but Hibberd pre-injury was in All Australian calculations. Averaging 24 disposals across HB while keeping your man quiet most of the time is bloody excellent, whichever way you look at it.

Didn't say he wasnt a very good player. Just said Lids is better, which he is. Can play mid, fwd, back and carve a game up from any position.

 

[eth-dog]

Didn't say he wasnt a very good player. Just said Lids is better, which he is. Can play mid, fwd, back and carve a game up from any position.

Fair call, but it's closer than you think (that's probably just the bias coming through). Anyway, I don't see it as relevant considering that Lids is playing. Our outs of Watson, Hibberd, Fletcher and Ambrose would probably be comparable of you missing Cotchin, Houli, Grimes and whoever the hell is your best HFF is

 

[DontArgue4]

Fair call, but it's closer than you think (that's probably just the bias coming through). Anyway, I don't see it as relevant considering that Lids is playing. Our outs of Watson, Hibberd, Fletcher and Ambrose would probably be comparable of you missing Cotchin, Houli, Grimes and whoever the hell is your best HFF is

We dont have one

 

[eth-dog]

We dont have one

And to think I was being generous to Houli with that Hibberd comparison .

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Let's win it for Foley - absolute professional and great role model at the club. Fought his way every step of the way to get to 150 games and had to overcome so many injuries. At one stage, was probably our best midfielder before injuries slowed him down.

Hopefully he gets to play his first final this season too!

 

[Tiger71]

Fair call, but it's closer than you think (that's probably just the bias coming through). Anyway, I don't see it as relevant considering that Lids is playing. Our outs of Watson, Hibberd, Fletcher and Ambrose would probably be comparable of you missing Cotchin, Houli, Grimes and whoever the hell is your best HFF is

Actually our outs are not to be dismissed so easily. jackson bnf winner, King our HHF, Tyrone ( to match up on Ryder), conca our in and under depth mid come to mind. I could also included others but they would be the main 4 we will dearly miss.

 

[DontArgue4]

And to think I was being generous to Houli with that Hibberd comparison .

Well to be fair, although you can shitcan him all you like, Vickery is a very important component of our team. Conca and Jackson are two key players for us also, so they cant be discounted (although jackson is copping shit on your board, hes a better version of hocking).

 

[Tiger71]

Lids is a gun, no doubt, but Hibberd pre-injury was in All Australian calculations. Averaging 24 disposals across HB while keeping your man quiet most of the time is bloody excellent, whichever way you look at it.

On this, I agree with you hibberd is a gun. Lids though does not get the credit he deserves mainly for two reasons, One he plays for Richmond and two he cant shake a tag but there is not a more damaging HBF in the league for meters gained then Lids. if he plays HBF tonight you will see it first hand but we will play him forward.

 

[tigerz18]

In no order my top 10 is Ablett, Watson, Pendlebury, Fyfe, Mitchell, Beams, Griffen, Selwood, Boak and JP Kennedy. Then 11-25 Dangerfield, Sloane, Rockliff, Heppell, Mundy, Barlow, Goddard, Ward, Cotchin, Hannebery, Jack, Liberatore, Parker, N Jones, McVeigh

no Boomer Harvey???? is seriously, on form, in top 10 this year. been better than griffen, Mitchell, and Boak this year. Dusty has been better than Libba and Ward. Rockliff is definitely top 10 as well.

 

[Tiger71]

Just thinking about this game more now that its coming close but we MUST NOT zone defend against Essendon. There kicking will rip our press to shreds. We need to do a Sydney and its a game style we have been doing well since we hit form. Go one on one defense to force them to kick to a contest then create a stoppage. If its a stoppage game, we win, as they are not as strong as us with clearances and scores from stoppages.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

• FF
  
• 3 Paul Chapman
  22 Jake Carlisle
  27 Zach Merrett

• HF
  9 Brendon Goddard
  6 Joe Daniher
  40 Ben Howlett

• C
  11 David Zaharakis
  5 Brent Stanton
  32 Travis Colyer

• 
  HB
  8 Jason Winderlich
  18 Michael Hurley
  23 David Myers

• 
  FB
  
• 12 Mark Baguley
  26 Cale Hooker
  15 Courtenay Dempsey

Followers

• 30 Patrick Ryder
• 39 Heath Hocking
• 21 Dyson Heppell

• 
  
• INTERCHANGE
• 46 Orazio Fantasia
• 17 Jake Melksham
• 28 Elliott Kavanagh
• 29 Cory Dell'Olio

Lower than Average
Average
Good footballers

Not sure what all the fuss is about with this mob. Really we can only be out-coached or lose because our pressure is worse than there's. Plenty of very average footy players in that lot.

good god, you think Zach Merrett and Joe Daniher are lower than average??!!! And Myers is average?

You know nothing jon snow

 

[eth-dog]

Actually our outs are not to be dismissed so easily. jackson bnf winner, King our HHF, Tyrone ( to match up on Ryder), conca our in and under depth mid come to mind. I could also included others but they would be the main 4 we will dearly miss.

Jackson is a solid foot soldier, nothing more IMO, King is poor, Vickery is a structural loss but not much more, and Conca I don't rate at all.

Well to be fair, although you can shitcan him all you like, Vickery is a very important component of our team. Conca and Jackson are two key players for us also, so they cant be discounted (although jackson is copping shit on your board, hes a better version of hocking).

I don't really rate Conca, just seems so vanilla to me. Jackson isn't as good as Hocking

On this, I agree with you hibberd is a gun. Lids though does not get the credit he deserves mainly for two reasons, One he plays for Richmond and two he cant shake a tag but there is not a more damaging HBF in the league for meters gained then Lids. if he plays HBF tonight you will see it first hand but we will play him forward.

Malceski?

no Boomer Harvey???? is seriously, on form, in top 10 this year. been better than griffen, Mitchell, and Boak this year. Dusty has been better than Libba and Ward. Rockliff is definitely top 10 as well.

Boomer is more of a forward than a mid IMO

Just thinking about this game more now that its coming close but we MUST NOT zone defend against Essendon. There kicking will rip our press to shreds. We need to do a Sydney and its a game style we have been doing well since we hit form. Go one on one defense to force them to kick to a contest then create a stoppage. If its a stoppage game, we win, as they are not as strong as us with clearances and scores from stoppages.

Our stoppage work is pretty underrated (by me included before). We're the best clearance differential in the league, and are able to negate the opposition around the stoppages pretty well.

 

[Tiger71]

Jackson is a solid foot soldier, nothing more IMO, King is poor, Vickery is a structural loss but not much more, and Conca I don't rate at all.

I don't really rate Conca, just seems so vanilla to me. Jackson isn't as good as Hocking

Malceski?

Boomer is more of a forward than a mid IMO

Our stoppage work is pretty underrated (by me included before). We're the best clearance differential in the league, and are able to negate the opposition around the stoppages pretty well.

not any more you are not, go look

 

[DontArgue4]

Jackson is a solid foot soldier, nothing more IMO, King is poor, Vickery is a structural loss but not much more, and Conca I don't rate at all.

I don't really rate Conca, just seems so vanilla to me. Jackson isn't as good as Hocking

Well that right there shows i am wasting my time replying, Jackson is better then Hocking and there is no argument.

 

[eth-dog]

not any more you are not, go look

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=DA&year=2014&sby=29&advv=Y

Well that right there shows i am wasting my time replying, Jackson is better then Hocking and there is no argument.

How so? Hocking is as every bit as good a stopper as Jackson, and while Jackson gets more of the pill, Hocking has better skills and helps out our inside work with blocks etc than Jackson does. To think Jackson is better is no crime but to say it's no contest is just blatantly incorrect

 

[DontArgue4]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=DA&year=2014&sby=29&advv=Y

How so? Hocking is as every bit as good a stopper as Jackson, and while Jackson gets more of the pill, Hocking has better skills and helps out our inside work with blocks etc than Jackson does. To think Jackson is better is no crime but to say it's no contest is just blatantly incorrect

You clearly dont watch much of us at all

 

[eth-dog]

You clearly dont watch much of us at all

I'll put my money where my mouth is and put it up on the polls board.

 

[Tiger71]

Jackson is a solid foot soldier, nothing more IMO, King is poor, Vickery is a structural loss but not much more, and Conca I don't rate at all.

And this is probably due to you not watching many Tiger games. King's defensive acts in the F50 have been sorely missed. In the last two years, he has been vital in not only kicking goals 21 goals in 18 games last year but in creating goals he was ranked 19th in the AFL last year for goal assists. You say jackson is nothing but a soldier but he was in 16th in the afl last year for inside 50's as that was his main role but he also contributed 18 goals playing as a defensive mid...

on Conca, I get you dont rate him but he has not completed a pre season since being at the club. So far he is depth at best but I believe once he gets a full two preseasons, we will see why conca was picked so high...

 

[DontArgue4]

I'll put my money where my mouth is and put it up on the polls board.

You mean the place where everyone votes against richmond players at any opportunity?

 

[Tiger71]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=DA&year=2014&sby=29&advv=Y

How so? Hocking is as every bit as good a stopper as Jackson, and while Jackson gets more of the pill, Hocking has better skills and helps out our inside work with blocks etc than Jackson does. To think Jackson is better is no crime but to say it's no contest is just blatantly incorrect

I was referring to scores/clearances from stoppages not just center clearances.

 

[eth-dog]

You mean the place where everyone votes against richmond players at any opportunity?

Excuses

 

[eth-dog]

I was referring to scores/clearances from stoppages not just center clearances.

That's not just centre clearances, that's all clearances.

 

[Tiger71]

That's not just centre clearances, that's all clearances.

Oh i get that but use champion data for stats per category is better imo. I would link it but my work has blocked the site lol

 

[eth-dog]

Oh i get that but use champion data for stats per category is better imo. I would link it but my work has blocked the site lol

Ah, fair enough. I don't bother paying for that site