Mega Thread The Next AFC Coach?

[The Sloane Ranger]

They definitely benefited from Carey, they way North fell away after him attests to this. Its why we have to be careful with Worsfold, who arguably had one of the best midfields of the last ten years at his disposal.

to long out of the game for mine

 

[Mismatched]

I like how no one wants to take a punt on an untried coach. How do you think all the current coaches and past coaches got a go? Hell there are far more rookie coaches around than experienced ones. Clarkson is in his first run as a senior AFL coach, seems to be doing all right. Terry wallace is an experienced coach. Granted that's just two examples but essentially anything is an upgrade on Sando if we thought he was not the man to take us forward.

If we get Dew/Bassett/Tudor/Burns/Sumich and surround them with Warsfold/Ratten or the like it will be a massive success.

That's not even including any possible upgrades in the other assistant roles.

Our top end talent is pretty damn exciting, we lack a little class and a little pace, but even with a 10% increase in coaching performance I think we are top 8 and a year away from better things (with development in grigg/lyons/crouchx2/cameron)

How is this so at all? If anything most seem open to the idea of having either Dew/Sumich/Bassett, backed up by a senior assistant with experience in the hot seat. I think we'd all love Clarkson as our man, but beyond that pipe dream, I see very few suggestions of other experienced senior coaches beyond perhaps Worsfold.

 

[Team DJ]

Would actually prefer a Sumich Worsfold combo than Dew Clarkson.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

If we are after an experienced senior coach (and if we are unable to grab a current one), then out of all the recently retired/sacked coaches...

... Worsfold, Watters, Sheedy, Neeld, Ratten, Voss, Harvey, Primus, Craig, Eade, Knights, Williams...

Worsfold is definitely our best bet.

 

[Stripple]

How is this so at all? If anything most seem open to the idea of having either Dew/Sumich/Bassett, backed up by a senior assistant with experience in the hot seat. I think we'd all love Clarkson as our man, but beyond that pipe dream, I see very few suggestions of other experienced senior coaches beyond perhaps Worsfold.

Have seen lots of comments about how if we get an untried coach we will be seen to be a rabble. It is ridiculous.

 

[Mike Smyth]

How many times does worsfold have to say "i'm not interested coaching anymore" before we rule him out.

I think its one of two scenarios:

1) The person is either a Sydney or a Hawthorn coach (senior or assistant) and out of respect for him we are waiting until after this weekend.

2) We didn't have anyone in mind when we sacked Sanderson and we are flying by the seat of our pants. With fa/trade week just around the corner - hmmmm.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Would actually prefer a Sumich Worsfold combo than Dew Clarkson.

Any particular reason, or just gut feel?

 

[Geoffa32]

I think we wont know anything till all teams have finished for the year.

Till then the media is purely speculating that we dont have someine lined up.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

As much as I'd be excited by the return of Bassett, i just cannot see Roo going for him.

Roo's opinion would be clouded by the odd-ball crazy defender who was one of his underlings. I can see Roo pushing for a guy more similar to himself in Dew.

 

[Team DJ]

Any particular reason, or just gut feel?

I think the WA system has a lot more similarities to to SA system.
I know that Clarkson and Dew have been here before. But not in an AFL Coaching capacity.

 

[baldandbroke]

OK here's what I really think:

1. I can't think of one example of where a senior director of coaching/young coach setup has worked. Maybe there is, but I can't think of one
2. We tore a hole in the fabric of the club in the way we dispatched Sando. Brutal. Now we have to repair it even stronger by getting in someone to make it worthwhile
3. Taking a flyer on an unproven rookie coach wasn't worth sacking sando. Why lose a guy who probably doesn't have it to replace him with a guy who probably doesn't have it. Rookie coaches have a draft pick like success rate

Now I'm not saying it's the wrong call on Sando, but surely we had a contingency already in play? I hate the idea we're hostages to fortune, that doesn't seem worth what we did

Couldn't agree less with this one Sanders.

1. There is no pattern to picking the right coach. Don't confuse yourself trying to find the magic formula. Every setup is so complex that it's not worth looking at a particular coach without accepting that the reason for success is the entire picture. Take Clarkson out and plonk him in another team does not ensure success, same as putting in a rookie doesn't ensure failure.

2. Tore a hole in the fabric? What fabric are you talking about? Interested to hear what was torn. Feels more like removing a growing virus to me.

3. The new coach and sando's sacking are not linked. If Sando was sacked because of what he did / didn't do ... then that is one thing. Your suggestion that we keep someone who should be sacked because we are scared of what we might replace him with is crazy talk. As far as your "rookie coaches have a draft pick like success rate" - well only one coach wins each year. Tell me who is a successful coach, at the team they coach right now? Hawks, Sydney, Port? How did they get their man?

Then, like a lot of people, you state that you aren't saying it's the wrong call - even if the points above sort of say that you do ... and then to cry that we are now "hostages to fortune" like somehow we werent before Sando was sacked.

Easy to knock down, hard to provide an alternative. What should the club have done exactly - tell me - not what they shouldn't have done. Hindsight is too easy.

 

[cm_perfect]

We must SPEND the money NOW or we will regret it.

Agreed, and for those that are worried where the $$ are coming from..

There is a proven model down the road, spend more than you have then get on the assistance train

 

[Mismatched]

How many times does worsfold have to say "i'm not interested coaching anymore" before we rule him out.

I think its one of two scenarios:

1) The person is either a Sydney or a Hawthorn coach (senior or assistant) and out of respect for him we are waiting until after this weekend.

2) We didn't have anyone in mind when we sacked Sanderson and we are flying by the seat of our pants. With fa/trade week just around the corner - hmmmm.

He's said it once, its just posters keep posting the same quote rehashed in multiple different articles. Its not as if coaches in general don't have good form when it comes to changing their stance on "I don't want to coach" type comments. Alan Richardson categorically ruled out coaching the Saints, claiming he was committed to the Power. Roo's was quoted multiple times saying he didn't want to coach Melbourne. I'm pretty sure Bomber Thompson said he didn't want to stand in for Hird. Blight was never going to coach again after the Crows.

Coaches change their minds regularly and I suspect its often a case of simply offering an extra $100k a year, or in Worsfolds case my feeling is that its a Senior Assistants role, with very good money but less stress, as opposed to the senior coaches role.

 

[TexFactor]

I like how no one wants to take a punt on an untried coach. How do you think all the current coaches and past coaches got a go? Hell there are far more rookie coaches around than experienced ones. Clarkson is in his first run as a senior AFL coach, seems to be doing all right. Terry wallace is an experienced coach. Granted that's just two examples but essentially anything is an upgrade on Sando if we thought he was not the man to take us forward.

If we get Dew/Bassett/Tudor/Burns/Sumich and surround them with Warsfold/Ratten or the like it will be a massive success.

That's not even including any possible upgrades in the other assistant roles.

Our top end talent is pretty damn exciting, we lack a little class and a little pace, but even with a 10% increase in coaching performance I think we are top 8 and a year away from better things (with development in grigg/lyons/crouchx2/cameron)

grigg and lyons? who are they?

 

[Johnny Rutten]

I can see Roo pushing for a guy more similar to himself in Dew.

Beefy blokes stick together?

 

[dogs105]

to long out of the game for mine

12 months?

 

[Matman23]

Beefy blokes stick together?

Forward coach: Darren Jarman

 

[Crouch#44]

Considering how the sando payout effects the staff cap is to what amount we can spend!

If the payout comes from the 2015 cap then the amount to offer a coach and support staff is less.

They will have a good idea on who they want to appoint! been calculated before deciding to boot sando!
As for trades it's awaiting the cards to fall into place.

 

[moses]

Forward coach: Darren Jarman

Ruck coach Damian Monkhurst

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

12 months?

what AFL level?1

 

[Mismatched]

Considering how the sando payout effects the staff cap is to what amount we can spend!

If the payout comes from the 2015 cap then the amount to offer a coach and support staff is less.

They will have a good idea on who they want to appoint! been calculated before deciding to boot sando!
As for trades it's awaiting the cards to fall into place.

Or they just need to be willing to pay the extra tax on overspend.

 

[Crouch#44]

Or they just need to be willing to pay the extra tax on overspend.

How much can they overspend,
Whatever they like?

 

[Mismatched]

How much can they overspend,
Whatever they like?

I believe so, it's not a true cap, merely a threshold.

 

[Tex200]

How much can they overspend,
Whatever they like?

Yes as I understand it. The cap is a level of spending that, once exceeded, incurs a tax to be paid to the AFL. I'm not sure how many c in the $ it is, but as long as you pay the tax there is no limit on total football dept spend

 

[The Karma Bus]

If we can prove exceptional circumstances, the payout money to Sando doesn't have to go under the cap amount for next year..
In 2015 the tax for breaking the cap is 37.5%, in 2016 it will be 75%..