Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014) - retires rd16 2021 due to concussion symptoms - go well Pig

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RooTed said:
Hi TT, I'll explain where the stress is coming from. But first some history: when Gibson left I thought **** off you're a tool. When Hale left I remember at the time that my brother I thought he had collapsing, jellyfish arms so no angst. When Hamish left I remember he'd been cold to my daughters and I at a family day and that had really put me off. But with Levi it feels like a son or daughter who I s marrying too young, for the wrong reasons and to someone you despise. You can't control it but you also can't sleep. Your inside gossip from the Syd Barker night did make me feel better though.
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This is it really. Would be so painful to lose a player like Levi who exemplifies the spirit of this club.
 
RoCo just said Levi's well within his rights to test his market value, which he's done, "and I'm confident he'll re-sign with North Melbourne having done so".
 
If he goes it's going to annoy me for a long time that people will automatically link Waite/Higgins to Greenwood.

If we hadn't picked up Higgins, we would NOT be offering Greenwood stacks more. In fact I reckon we'd probably not be changing the offer at all.

We aren't running at 100% salary cap. Salary cap pressure is not the reason we aren't offering Greenwood more.
 

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RoyalBlue said:
We aren't running at 100% salary cap. Salary cap pressure is not the reason we aren't offering Greenwood more.
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It's almost as if people think the list management runs year to year and we start fresh every year.

There would be plans in place, with money set aside for young players who are going to need their contracts extended. A multi-year setup where Greenwood has had a designated amount of money set aside for his new contract. Yes his performance this year has been grouse and yes he probably deserves more money, but I can't see the club jeopardising its financial situation & the contract futures of other players to keep Greenwood, especially when he would command a fair bit in a trade on the open market.
 
North will be fine either way. No one player determines whether you win the premiership or not, and North are the shinboner team after all.

I like what Scott has done recruiting Waite and Higgins. Higgins is reliable and tough, a very handy addition; and Waite is the X-factor who I reckon will complement Thomas, Petrie etc pretty well. Hopefully he doesn't get injured any more. We've taken the same gamble with Mitch Clark, although I'm not sure which is the bigger risk. Clark is younger, but only played like 13 games in 3 years. Either way, we have some exciting times to look forward to next year.

Hopefully North or Port can win next year, I couldn't stand another Hawks or Swans premier :(
 
Flawed Genius said:
It's almost as if people think the list management runs year to year and we start fresh every year.

There would be plans in place, with money set aside for young players who are going to need their contracts extended. A multi-year setup where Greenwood has had a designated amount of money set aside for his new contract. Yes his performance this year has been grouse and yes he probably deserves more money, but I can't see the club jeopardising its financial situation & the contract futures of other players to keep Greenwood, especially when he would command a fair bit in a trade on the open market.
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I guess the point i'm trying to make is Levi has only had 1 good year.

I dont blame him for wanting a little extra money and a longer contract but before this year he was pretty well paid for someone who effectively was a VFL player.

We've seen it with Geelong and the Hawks that if your team is in the premiership window all players need to sacrifice something be it money/term of contract. I hope Levi signs on but I just dont see it happening and thinking your going to get a pick between 10-20 is probably fairy tale stuff imo, more like 21-35 is more realistic.
 
Bloke on the Collingwood board saying they've put their offer to Greenwood and expect to hear back tomorrow.

Reading all the half truths and probably lies and vague hints here and there, this is how I assess the situation. Fairly confident this is mostly accurate.

- Greenwood if he had it his way would prefer to play for North.
- Pickering is a knob.
- Apart from Collingwood, other clubs (Dogs, Tiges) may have casual interest but are all about a 0.1% chance, none are prepared to make a tempting enough offer.
- After our best and fairest, us and Collingwood have put forward an offer. Levi in that time has also toured the Westpac Centre.
- There offer is better, yet as others have stated he won't be the first North player to knock back extra coin to stay in the blue and white.
- He'll decide tomorrow whether he wants to stay loyal or earn an extra ~100 grand to help out Bucks with his rebuild.

Worst part of it being Collingwood is that we will be absolutely bent over during trade negotiations, best we could possibly hope for is an upgrade from our first pick to Brisbane's first pick, however they'll probably be insisting we take 30 and Lumumba:thumbsdown:.
 
I think if he does go to Collingwood we need to wait and see what picks Collingwood acquire for Dayne Beams. They are going to use pick 8 on their F/S selection and I dont think North will be satisfied with 28.
 
Mixed Results said:
Bloke on the Collingwood board saying they've put their offer to Greenwood and expect to hear back tomorrow.

Reading all the half truths and probably lies and vague hints here and there, this is how I assess the situation. Fairly confident this is mostly accurate.

- Greenwood if he had it his way would prefer to play for North.
- Pickering is a knob.
- Apart from Collingwood, other clubs (Dogs, Tiges) may have casual interest but are all about a 0.1% chance, none are prepared to make a tempting enough offer.
- After our best and fairest, us and Collingwood have put forward an offer. Levi in that time has also toured the Westpac Centre.
- There offer is better, yet as others have stated he won't be the first North player to knock back extra coin to stay in the blue and white.
- He'll decide tomorrow whether he wants to stay loyal or earn an extra ~100 grand to help out Bucks with his rebuild.

Worst part of it being Collingwood is that we will be absolutely bent over during trade negotiations, best we could possibly hope for is an upgrade from our first pick to Brisbane's first pick, however they'll probably be insisting we take 30 and Lumumba:thumbsdown:.
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All except Lamumba and the rest of Collingwood's likely offer is probably reasonably correct.
 
Mixed Results said:
Bloke on the Collingwood board saying they've put their offer to Greenwood and expect to hear back tomorrow.

Reading all the half truths and probably lies and vague hints here and there, this is how I assess the situation. Fairly confident this is mostly accurate.

- Greenwood if he had it his way would prefer to play for North.
- Pickering is a knob.
- Apart from Collingwood, other clubs (Dogs, Tiges) may have casual interest but are all about a 0.1% chance, none are prepared to make a tempting enough offer.
- After our best and fairest, us and Collingwood have put forward an offer. Levi in that time has also toured the Westpac Centre.
- There offer is better, yet as others have stated he won't be the first North player to knock back extra coin to stay in the blue and white.
- He'll decide tomorrow whether he wants to stay loyal or earn an extra ~100 grand to help out Bucks with his rebuild.

Worst part of it being Collingwood is that we will be absolutely bent over during trade negotiations, best we could possibly hope for is an upgrade from our first pick to Brisbane's first pick, however they'll probably be insisting we take 30 and Lumumba:thumbsdown:.
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The part about Pickering being a knob is spot on. We are all assuming collingwood's offer has more coin than ours but it may not be $100K. What irks me is that Levi may not be getting independent advice. Pickering KNOWS that North is a better option for his client but has a massive conflict of interest because of the higher commission with the Collingwood offer. He may be pretending to give Levi independent advice.
 
All teams say they put prospective players through medical checks....it will be interesting with Levi. Every week Levi had a modified training program. As the week progressed his work rate increased but he hardly ever participated in all different drills. He suffered from sore hips, back and leg strains throughout the season. Even though he had 'run with' roles in some matches, it was 'grunt work' that he specialised in. I like him as a player and as a person (very quiet and introverted) but he doesn't have the skills of Wells, Swallow, JZ, Dal Santo and Cunnington. I have heard people super-confident he will stay and others super-confident he will go. I hope he stays.
 

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TwentyNine said:
It is a third placed finish technically, Goldstein won second outright on countback.

That post is ludicrously dumb.
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He was 2nd, beaten by only one player. Countback shmountback.
 
Robertsonroo said:
All teams say they put prospective players through medical checks....it will be interesting with Levi. Every week Levi had a modified training program. As the week progressed his work rate increased but he hardly ever participated in all different drills. He suffered from sore hips, back and leg strains throughout the season. Even though he had 'run with' roles in some matches, it was 'grunt work' that he specialised in. I like him as a player and as a person (very quiet and introverted) but he doesn't have the skills of Wells, Swallow, JZ, Dal Santo and Cunnington. I have heard people super-confident he will stay and others super-confident he will go. I hope he stays.
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Are you serious? Swallow would have to be one of the worst kicking midfielders in the comp...especially for goal.
 
I get the sense that Levi is basically uncomfortable with the whole situation. From all I have heard, I get the impression that he aint no mercenary, but does value his worth, both to the club, and as a footballer. His manager, Pickering, however, is a famous mercenary and is the one pushing the hardball game with North's own hard nut in Walshy. I reckon the fact that Levi sees himself as a North man as do the club and supporters mean that both Walshy and Pickering are obliged to find a compromised deal and shake hands on it. North Melbourne doesn't let go of valuable players who identify with the club in spite of the commercial interests and constraints. I'm still optimistic that we will have our boy Greenhead lining up in round 1 2015 and carrying this years form into the next.
 
At the end of the day, we just don't lose players who fit well into our culture. Last time this happened was probably Peter Bell, which was obviously about the go home factor, and Schwatter before him, which involved the well publicized spat with Denis. Other than those two, I can't think of any.

Gibson was never a true North person, and D Motlop wasn't either.

Can't see him going.
 
Kimbo said:
When I'm on the Don't stress: 2014 Trade and Free Agency Targets Thread it's all good.

But other threads don't provide the same instructions, so, well...

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You tie squirrels to trees?
 
I'm hoping the Levi deal gets sorted out soon. My motivation has changed from being solely about NMFC keeping a required player. It is now also about drawing a curtain on this thread. I don't know if anything else can be said about an issue that, unless one of is Levi, Liam Pickering, Brad Scott or someone else on the football/list management committee, it would be fair to say 'none of us really know what we're on about.
 
Kimbo said:
Only when I'm stressed. Problem?
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Most people, well, never mind, no problem, Twinkletoes lights short people on fire when he's bored laughing manically, so each to their own.
 
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