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He's just posted his side of the story online... I'm guessing it will be either deleted or mainstream news pretty quickly.

Even though I think he is most probably innocent going off everything I've seen and read. Posting something like that is crazy. His lawyer would be pissed!!

I'm of the opinion he's a murderer based off everything I've read and that profession didn't change my opinion at all. He's outed himself as a massive narcissist that makes bad decisions though, that's kind of new information.
 
IF you listen to the recording ,you'll see its the female who is psycho and violent. she goes nuts and will not leave. Also it is legal to take reaosbale force to prevent injury to your self and damage to your property when being assualted , etc. Totstee did nothing worng.
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Charming lad too:

View attachment 74405 Love the calling "911" too. Obviously he doesn't go after the clever birds.
Pretty standard Tinder pickup technique from the misc types - be completely obnoxious/irreverent to show of your alphaness
smart girl saying she is going to call 911 in Australia :drunk:
she was also so completely freaked out about him that she messaged him again a week later to say he's been chatting to her friend?
my respect for this woman didn't start out high given her job but just lol
 

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At no stage in the transcript did she threaten to jump off the balcony. He threatened to throw her off, but that's it.
First of all it is not a complete transcript, there is a lot more on that recording than what was shown in the media. And...there is a bit where she actually jokes about jumping off the balcony. Its was said in jest exactly as GT said it in jest. The final time he said it was when he was subduing her, and even then, hes said it with an air of exasperation, no way was he angry or with a raised voice.

After that he specifically told her to calm down as he was going to march her straight out to the door. She didnt comply, got violent, and threatened his life by attempting to hit him with a metal object. This is when he feared for his life and things turned pear shaped all in the next few minutes.

Thats how it went down, not as the man haters would have you believe. We had a calm man who wanted a psycho out of his apartment, and he couldn't trust her to leave peaceably under her own steam, so he told her he was bundling her out, ans she wasnt accepting that. You should hear the things that come out of her mouth when she goes beserk...its like an excerpt from the exorcist. But the news sites just show pics of her with animals... shaping public sentiment much?
 
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But you made some pretty authoratative claims about persons being unable to provide consent, now youre telling me it will depend on the person. How can you say a drunk girl is unable to provide consent? Im still waiting on any evidence at all that Tostee had sex with anyone without consent.
"Intention of the rapist" is more loaded garbage from you. There is no rapist in a consensual situation.
Spot on KFC. There is absolutely no evidence at all to show Tostee has ever behaved anyhting but honourably in relation to the women he took home.
 
Spot on KFC. There is absolutely no evidence at all to show Tostee has ever behaved anyhting but honourably in relation to the women he took home.

Except for the part where he killed her?
 
I didn't say I believe everything in the media. You are an idiot if you inferred that from my post.
 
He is pretty thin, he'd be pushing to make 90 kgs, and WR is 5'6"

At 5'6 the average woman is going to weigh about 55 - 60kg at most.

That's a 30kg disadvantage.

A bloke of 90kg's who hit another bloke of 65kg would be very tough to defend in court. In boxing terms its like having Manny Pacquiao fight Lennox Lewis.
 
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At 5'6 the average woman is going to weigh about 55 - 60kg at most.

That's a 30kg disadvantage.

A bloke of 90kg's who hit another bloke of 65kg would be very tough to defend in court. In boxing terms its like having Manny Pacquiao fight Lennox Lewis.
You're off the mark. He said on the transcript he was amazed at how strong he was. Size diffrence didnt stop her beating him up - he was covered in scratches as verified by forensic examination.

Chinese martial artists who only weight 60 kgs can frighten the pants off much bigger men. they know how to hit, and hard. Apparently she did Muay Thai . But size is not the only factor.
 
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LOL I know gable irl and trust me he would never go out sober. He just drank a ton at his place before going out. The reason he is banned from places is because of his drunkenness. In fact he is facing a drink driving charge in nsw and a drunken public nuisance charge in qld.
 
Tostee apparently was diagnosed as somewhere on the high end of autism -- around the time he was nicked for counterfeiting.
A 10 yo diagnosis when he was a developig teen which is now irrelevant. A recent examination by a psychiatrist says he is not autistic. Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-...erer-has-social-disorders-court-hears/5900308

sabre, I don't think it can at all be argued that Warriena wasn't acting in an aggressive manner, as she can be heard doing so several times on the recording.
Thats quite an understatement. Warriena is actually agrressive throughout the entire recording and the listener is left in no doubt in regard to this.

However, what I think also must be taken into account is a/ Tostee's direct contribution to the state she was in at that point and his ongoing aggravation of a woman he helped to to get leglessly drunk - while he. himself (by audible admission), remained quite a bit more sober than she (a habitual behaviour for him on dates, according to local bar staff) and b/ the probability that Tostee was gaslighting his guest, so to speak, - which I'll try to make clear below.
False. Tostee treated her with respect and tolerance the entire time up until she went too far and seriously assaulted him. Again, the entire recording shows this clearly and the listener is left in no doubt in regards to this. Furthermore, they were both consenting adults - this includes consenting to the alcohol that was consumed.

Here's some facts - gleaned from witness statements and the audio transcript - which point to Tostee being both highly manipulative of women in general, and Warriena in particular, and which lead me to strongly suspect that the murder charge is accurate:
Except the audio transcript published in the papers is false in parts. Also it has not been admitted as evidence to a court yet so its not a FACT as you claim. To imply Tostee was manipulative of women is slander, as there is absolutely no proof of that. He has a clean record to date (no convictions).

-- At several points Tostee can be heard speaking to an 'audience' (most clearly in that moment when Warriena goes to the bathroom) and manipulating his side of the conversation to make Warriena seem 'bad' ("where's my money?").
Tostee is speaking in a detached way the same way all people do when they make an observation. Are you telling us you have never said to yourself in a whisper "thats bullshyt" or something like that? Come on, to imply he is speaking to an audience is just fantasy.
So it can be inferred that he is recording this portion of the evening not just for his own alleged 'loss of memory' or "In case she cries rape" (his words, re another incident) but also for the entertainment of others (for which he has a visible history, particularly of women he makes look foolish or bad).
You could infer that, but your credibility would be pretty low. As for entertaining others, I do not believe posting snapshots of Phone chat conversations is being manipulative of women, exactly how does it manipulate them? As it see it, you are slandering the accused again .

-- He starts the recording after they've already had sex and spent a couple of hours together. He chooses to begin the recording at a point where Warriena is extremely drunk (which she tells him) and he is not (by his admission). I think it should be kept in mind that they met fairly early in the evening, around 8.30-9-ish and bought only a six pack of Toohey's Dry (a favourite drink of Warriena's) to take back to Tostee's home quite shortly after. We can't know for sure what they did or how much (or what) they drank for the next couple of hours, but clearly it was way more than a half dozen longnecks - so it's safe to assume Tostee supplied the rest.
Ausgirl, how would you know what Warriena drank that night? A: You dont. Also how would you know they didnt go out again to buy more alcohol? A: you dont. Despite this there's no shortage of slanderous unproven allegations from you again, about the accused in relation to what he "probably" did.Your comments have little credibility, if any.

Tostee makes a song and dance about how things had been going nicely up to that point where he begins the recording, which is when things start to go south.
A song and dance? False. He just calmly mentioning to her she is over the top. This is an hour beofre the actual final altercation.

He also can heard plying Warriena with glasses of his home-made moonshine (which she audibly rejects at couple of times) and encouraging her to drink, though she's already told him she is very drunk and doesn't want the drinks he keeps pouring.
How DARE he keep pouring! Is that an arrestable offence, is it? Whatever slur you put on it, there is nothing at all , not one instance, of Tostee forcing himself or anything onto Warriena.

Tostee can be heard to alternately rile up his very drunk guest, whom he has actively helped to become that way, and calm her down.
Rile her up? could you please note the point where this is supposed to have happened.? Because as I have said, Tostee remain calm at all times, even in the face of repeated physical and verbal agression. I would say his efforts are sterling to maintain composure as he did.
Once she's calm, he very clearly proceeds to rile her up again - via actions which would make any woman feel powerless and scared. For example:-- he won't untie her. he then calms her, and they talk.
She asks him to untie her, but they were having rough sex. That was consensual . They do have sex again after that as well. There is nothing in their conversation to suggest she is at all frightened at this time you are speaking of. On the contrary it is Tostee who is frightened as Warriena has been getting off on abusing him all night .
-- he takes her phone (and tells her it's out in the balcony -- it's in his top pocket, we later discover). he then offers her something to eat.
False. there is no way of knowing where here phone was. She was right "out of it" and it appears hes looked through her stuff at the end of the bed (which she refused to look through herself). Maybe it was in there? He's located it somehwere. He then gave the phone to her. Yet you try to twist it . There are many reasons why her phone could have ended up in his pocket later, not the least of which is that he accidentally picked it up when collecting his phones during his panicked state when he left the apartment. He did have multiple phones, its possible one was the same model as hers.

-- once she threatens to call the police, he then becomes openly abusive and threatening, threatens to throw her out 'as-is', without all her clothes and other belongings.
That is an outright lie. She threatens to call the Police at 00:40:00 on the recording. He encourages her to do so. Do not twist that by mating it up to the final struggle which happened at 01:20:00, ie 40 minutes later. You really should get details right beofre posting misleading statements that appear to vilify the accused.

-- tackles her to the floor (he is a very large man, she is tiny) at which point choking sounds are heard.
your colouring perception again. She is 5'6" (not tiny), does Muay Thai,. Tostee is 9 inches taller than her, but he is not large. Nor is he a bodybuilder as falsely reported. in all the mainstream media. He is forced to choke her because she is holding a metallic object that she grabbed to hit him with. It took 70 secs for her to drop it, even whilst being choked. She's no wallflower, thats for sure. Tostee was scared, and had to take action.

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After this point, Warriena is forced out onto the balcony & is quite obviously terrified (she says 'no' more than 20 times) and begging to be allowed to go home. I don't think that counts as "aggressive" behaviour.
You're still twisting things. It is actually aggressive behaviour, because at that point she could have been out the door already, as a few minutes earlier Tostee had told her to leave. But did she leave? No, she went beserk, broke free, ran all over his apartment and trashed it again, then out on the balcony. Totally psychotic.
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Note that in the latter parts of the incident, much of what Warriena has to say is clearly placating rather than aggressive, and that she barely speaks at all. Yet, Tostee's own language becomes more voluble and more violent.
Another beautiful example of twisting and cherry picking facts. ITs only because Tostee finally "mans up" and takes control of the situation, that she finally realises the jig is up, and pulls her head in. Yep her voice goes soft. But what does she do when he lets her go? Yep, goes beserk. You should hear the stuff that comes out of her mouth. When they jury hears that, it will most likely from a very strong impression in their minds of what sort of state her mind is in..

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And speaking of the balcony, I can't see it as any kind of coincidence that in the period shortly before Warriena died, Tostee a/ lied about the phone being on the balcony (and I have to ask -- why??),
He suggested it might be there, he never said it was. And where was it? Theres no indicator of where it was found, hence you are slandering the accused by falsely claiming he lied.
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b/ raised the topic of death by falling off the balcony *twice* and c/ then forced her not out the front door, but onto the balcony he's so obsessed with...
An offhand comment about a balcony is NOT rasing a topic as you claim. IT is interesting to note that Warriena herslef made a comment in isolation about jumping off the balcony, so why are you not pushing the line she planted the idea in her head herself, then acted it out? Oh, thats right, it doesnt fit in with your agenda of bashing the accused.
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I could go on and on.. though I'm already feeling bad for being long-winded. There's so much more to it that I could say which points to Tostee being much more sinister than he might at a glance appear.
Yes thats the beauty of the net, anonymous people like you can troll as much slander as they like with impunity. Are you aware your IP address can be traced very easily in the case of a libel suit being lodged and investigated?
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I'll wind it up by pointing out that you can see his 'story' of how Warriena came to be on the balcony evolving as he speaks to his dad.. first he "forced" her, then he "chucked her out" there, then "she ran" onto the balcony after he tackled her to the floor (which isn't true, the audio makes this clear). Making himself progressively more blameless as he goes.. yet claims "I can't remember". Righty-o.
I dont see how he is absolving himself from anything, considering he recorded the whole thing. Its glaring things like this that blow holes in your whole argument. Th accused clearly didnt feel comfortable witht Warriena, and started recording to protect himself. Seems fairly obvious and logical, despite your spin.
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What a scumbag..
Nice.

Again its necessary to point out a few things. Ausgirl is member of Websleuths ( http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?59401-Ausgirl ), an all female site dedicated toward the vilification of men charged with crimes whether or not they been to trial.

The members of that site, some of who known the deceased's family in this particular case, have done all they can to vilify and slander this guy using the techniques of anchoring as part of their general flawed method of Cognitive Bias to reach conclusions. They glean any posts they can find off the bodyBuilding Forum site, and Mainstream media articles, then with extrapolation and false innuendo paint the worst possible scenario through . Examples you ask? Have a look here at the posts between 24 Dec and 26 Dec 2014. Despite crucial witness evidence yet to be released, and testimony from the accused, these "Sleuths" (lol) have already decided he is guilty 100% and they are never wrong according to this Post . Totally ridicilous.

Ausgirl is a casual observer like all of us, but just told a pack of lies about the accused. So whats her motivation apart from being a Websleuth Femnist? Could it be this and this ? Yes I think so, 47 yo woman lives the case vicariously through her own daughter.

Sorry for the long post but could not allow slander like this to go unanswered.
 
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I think BigFooty is being used as a sounding board for more than one party with a vested interest and some association with the parties involved.
 
I think BigFooty is being used as a sounding board for more than one party with a vested interest and some association with the parties involved.
Ive highlighted what I believe Ausgirls motives are. Shes slandering the accused on a few websites. She has a definite agenda.

I Have no vested interest, I dont knwo any of the parties. Had to respond and correct Ausgirls posts as they were mostly all a pack of lies. Thats all. I have been following this case very closely.
 
A 10 yo diagnosis when he was a developig teen which is now irrelevant. A recent examination by a psychiatrist says he is not autistic. Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-...erer-has-social-disorders-court-hears/5900308

Thats quite an understatement. Warriena is actually agrressive throughout the entire recording and the listener is left in no doubt in regard to this.

False. Tostee treated her with respect and tolerance the entire time up until she went too far and seriously assaulted him. Again, the entire recording shows this clearly and the listener is left in no doubt in regards to this. Furthermore, they were both consenting adults - this includes consenting to the alcohol that was consumed.

Except the audio transcript published in the papers is false in parts. Also it has not been admitted as evidence to a court yet so its not a FACT as you claim. To imply Tostee was manipulative of women is slander, as there is absolutely no proof of that. He has a clean record to date (no convictions).

Tostee is speaking in a detached way the same way all people do when they make an observation. Are you telling us you have never said to yourself in a whisper "thats bullshyt" or something like that? Come on, to imply he is speaking to an audience is just fantasy.
You could infer that, but your credibility would be pretty low. As for entertaining others, I do not believe posting snapshots of Phone chat conversations is being manipulative of women, exactly how does it manipulate them? As it see it, you are slandering the accused again .


Ausgirl, how would you know what Warriena drank that night? A: You dont. Also how would you know they didnt go out again to buy more alcohol? A: you dont. Despite this there's no shortage of slanderous unproven allegations from you again, about the accused in relation to what he "probably" did.Your comments have little credibility, if any.

A song and dance? False. He just calmly mentioning to her she is over the top. This is an hour beofre the actual final altercation.

How DARE he keep pouring! Is that an arrestable offence, is it? Whatever slur you put on it, there is nothing at all , not one instance, of Tostee forcing himself or anything onto Warriena.

Rile her up? could you please note the point where this is supposed to have happened.? Because as I have said, Tostee remain calm at all times, even in the face of repeated physical and verbal agression. I would say his efforts are sterling to maintain composure as he did.

She asks him to untie her, but they were having rough sex. That was consensual . They do have sex again after that as well. There is nothing in their conversation to suggest she is at all frightened at this time you are speaking of. On the contrary it is Tostee who is frightened as Warriena has been getting off on abusing him all night .
False. there is no way of knowing where here phone was. She was right "out of it" and it appears hes looked through her stuff at the end of the bed (which she refused to look through herself). Maybe it was in there? He's located it somehwere. He then gave the phone to her. Yet you try to twist it . There are many reasons why her phone could have ended up in his pocket later, not the least of which is that he accidentally picked it up when collecting his phones during his panicked state when he left the apartment. He did have multiple phones, its possible one was the same model as hers.

That is an outright lie. She threatens to call the Police at 00:40:00 on the recording. He encourages her to do so. Do not twist that by mating it up to the final struggle which happened at 01:20:00, ie 40 minutes later. You really should get details right beofre posting misleading statements that appear to vilify the accused.


your colouring perception again. She is 5'6" (not tiny), does Muay Thai,. Tostee is 9 inches taller than her, but he is not large. Nor is he a bodybuilder as falsely reported. in all the mainstream media. He is forced to choke her because she is holding a metallic object that she grabbed to hit him with. It took 70 secs for her to drop it, even whilst being choked. She's no wallflower, thats for sure. Tostee was scared, and had to take action.

You're still twisting things. It is actually aggressive behaviour, because at that point she could have been out the door already, as a few minutes earlier Tostee had told her to leave. But did she leave? No, she went beserk, broke free, ran all over his apartment and trashed it again, then out on the balcony. Totally psychotic.
Another beautiful example of twisting and cherry picking facts. ITs only because Tostee finally "mans up" and takes control of the situation, that she finally realises the jig is up, and pulls her head in. Yep her voice goes soft. But what does she do when he lets her go? Yep, goes beserk. You should hear the stuff that comes out of her mouth. When they jury hears that, it will most likely from a very strong impression in their minds of what sort of state her mind is in..

He suggested it might be there, he never said it was. And where was it? Theres no indicator of where it was found, hence you are slandering the accused by falsely claiming he lied.
An offhand comment about a balcony is NOT rasing a topic as you claim. IT is interesting to note that Warriena herslef made a comment in isolation about jumping off the balcony, so why are you not pushing the line she planted the idea in her head herself, then acted it out? Oh, thats right, it doesnt fit in with your agenda of bashing the accused.
Yes thats the beauty of the net, anonymous people like you can troll as much slander as they like with impunity. Are you aware your IP address can be traced very easily in the case of a libel suit being lodged and investigated?
I dont see how he is absolving himself from anything, considering he recorded the whole thing. Its glaring things like this that blow holes in your whole argument. Th accused clearly didnt feel comfortable witht Warriena, and started recording to protect himself. Seems fairly obvious and logical, despite your spin.
Nice.

Again its necessary to point out a few things. Ausgirl is member of Websleuths ( http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?59401-Ausgirl ), an all female site dedicated toward the vilification of men charged with crimes whether or not they been to trial.

The members of that site, some of who known the deceased's family in this particular case, have done all they can to vilify and slander this guy using the techniques of anchoring as part of their general flawed method of Cognitive Bias to reach conclusions. They glean any posts they can find off the bodyBuilding Forum site, and Mainstream media articles, then with extrapolation and false innuendo paint the worst possible scenario through . Examples you ask? Have a look here at the posts between 24 Dec and 26 Dec 2014. Despite crucial witness evidence yet to be released, and testimony from the accused, these "Sleuths" (lol) have already decided he is guilty 100% and they are never wrong according to this Post . Totally ridicilous.

Ausgirl is a casual observer like all of us, but just told a pack of lies about the accused. So whats her motivation apart from being a Websleuth Femnist? Could it be this and this ? Yes I think so, 47 yo woman lives the case vicariously through her own daughter.

Sorry for the long post but could not allow slander like this to go unanswered.
So you're both telling lies then.
 
Wow! this Aware character seems certainly more than just a casual observer, they say you have no responsibility when plying someone with alcohol yet there have been recent supreme court cases where up to 50% blame is apportioned to the alcohol server.
Looks like they're using technicalities like Tostee provided audio evidence so how can he be guilty when more likely he realized she was out of control and wanted to protect himself from a possible assault charge because he wouldn't have thought it would all end with her death.

I do subscribe to the theory that women can become out of control and become violent and do harm especially with a weapon but he does have a certain level of responsibility as far as continually serving alcohol.
 
Wow! this Aware character seems certainly more than just a casual observer, they say you have no responsibility when plying someone with alcohol yet there have been recent supreme court cases where up to 50% blame is apportioned to the alcohol server.
Looks like they're using technicalities like Tostee provided audio evidence so how can he be guilty when more likely he realized she was out of control and wanted to protect himself from a possible assault charge because he wouldn't have thought it would all end with her death.

I do subscribe to the theory that women can become out of control and become violent and do harm especially with a weapon but he does have a certain level of responsibility as far as continually serving alcohol.

link to cases. and substantiation on how they apply here.

and how can it be said that the defence is using technicalities, when that is exactly what the prosecution appears to be doing in this case to support a murder charge?
 

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yes, completely logical to extend the duty owed by operators of licensed premises to private individuals with no training who have also been consuming alcohol themselves.

he should've cut of her off. string him up.
 
I was talking about the poster using technicalities such as Tostee willingly recorded it so he must be in the right.http://www.servingitright.com/alcohol_and_law_appendix_2.html
Not sure who you are referring to, but I said "The accused clearly didnt feel comfortable witht Warriena, and started recording to protect himself." I didnt mean it protected him in court , but the recording does shed light on many things that in their absence, would prejuduce the accused much more.

You are right, serving of alcohol does have some culpability attached to it, however that can be nullified if the server is defending himself from attack or a life threatening situation. Under common law your first right is to protect yourself. Just what level of culpability Tostee will have is too difficult to gauge. We dont have enough details atm to make a guess.
 
Just to correct a few more seemingly deliberate untruths
Regarding the autism thing.. Apparently, Tostee was said to have 'autistic tendencies', whatever that means, by his lawyer during court proceedings over his counterfeiting charge. I smell trumped-up diagnosis. Autism seems to be the new ADHD that way.. and there's no-one saying he's definitely on the spectrum, via a proper diagnosis.
He was diagnosed as autistic at the time in 2004. It was mentioned in the court proceedings. Trumped up? Wrong.
Tostee recently sacked his lawyer and hired civil rights frontman Terry O'Gorman, who'd been making a lot of noise about how the nasty media was trampling poor Gable's chances of a fair trial by legally purchasing bail documents and publishing them.Uggggh.
Its false to say he sacked Potts Lawyers, they may have withdrawn. The reason he changed lawyers has not been published, but you seem to magically have the answer.
Purchasing legal documents is one thing, but publishing them in mainstream media and potentially prejudicing an upcoming trial is another thing. Ausgirl has posted a claim elsewhere she has done legal studies, yet doesnt know this?
Remember when O'Gorman stuck up for poor old Dennis Ferguson, the revolting rapey child abductor? I sure do. Colour me unsurprised that he's glommed onto another yet another creep in his quest to make sure creeps are civilly protected, and thereby (somehow, somewhere in the back of O'Gorman's mind and nowhere else) make Australia a better place. :\
Nice how Ausgirl has already decided the guilt of the accused, and in the same breath draws an inference that a distinguished member of the legal fraternity has no right to act on behalf of people who are facing charges? Bias much?
 

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