No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[Matthew_Lloyd]

ASADA: "what do you remember about the injections you had in 2012"?
PLAYER: "no comment"

that doesnt look guilty?

The players don't have to say anything, and they aren't guilty until proven so. If ASADA can't prove that tb4 was inside the syringes, then the players are innocent, regardless if whether they answered the questions or not.

But in this context it doesn't matter, as Justice Middleton and other judges have pointed out, the players signed away their right against self-incrimination when they signed their AFL contracts. Even though it's shoddy and unfair, it is what it is.

 

[mxett]

Players are not compelled to answer questions from ASADA - It's nothing to do with being guilty - And the players went into the 2013 interviews in the belief they were all clear from ASADa.

well their legal team failed them terribly. They should have refused to answer questions at the time and if the AFL threatened them with action they could have taken it to court

 

[vast]

Players should have said "Im here so I dont get fined"

 

[rumply]

Yes, the players and their reps will see ASADA coming next time, and will presumably cooperate with the prosecutors to the absolute minimum degree necessary.

Cronulla has set the template I suspect

 

[BRANXDON]

If the players knew they got tb4 and have been advised to lie in attempt to get off they deserve everything thats happened the past two years. Along with the club for advising them to lie. Id want 2 year bans in this case and those at the club who lied to us and advised the players to try and lie I want them put on display and publicly humiliated.

I dont believe that is what has happened but nothing would surprise me anymore. Ahh well not long until this is over.

Yeah, nahhhh, players would not put their playing careers in jeopardy as easy as that. Yes the way it was run was without a doubt dodgy, AOD being borderline and what not, but I still believe that is the worst 'drug' we used.

 

[yaco55]

well their legal team failed them terribly. They should have refused to answer questions at the time and if the AFL threatened them with action they could have taken it to court

Though they were answering questions under AFL contractual conditions. I have to sheet the blame onto Evans for this oversight.

 

[BRANXDON]

I think everyone understands the AFL should not have used its powers over players in their interviews. But they also can see that the players had legal representation at the time, and together they agreed to the process knowing these powers were being used. To me they therefore gave up their rights freely at the time. Furthermore, the result of this illegal use of power was that players ended up telling ASADA the truth (I hope). Isnt that what we want, the truth? How is that unreasonable?

e.g I do not know...or...i do not recall, both similar but different at the same time. Have the players had 'proper' legal advice at the time then they would have answered everything correctly as advised. They are all young men who love playing footy, NOT lawyers.

 

[efcboy]

well their legal team failed them terribly. They should have refused to answer questions at the time and if the AFL threatened them with action they could have taken it to court

The AFL initially told them they would not be facing suspensions though. They were duped into forgoing their rights on this basis.

However the club and players should have had this inked and dried, legalised etc in writing. You can't trust the word of incompetent corrupt scumbag fools like Demetriou and McLachlan.

 

[mxett]

The AFL initially told them they would not be facing suspensions though. They were duped into forgoing their rights on this basis.

However the club and players should have had this inked and dried, legalised etc in writing. You can't trust the word of incompetent corrupt scumbag fools like Demetriou and McLachlan.

Sure they were let down by the AFL, their legal team, and their club, but in the end if they are banned it will be based on their own version of the truth

 

[efcboy]

Sure they were let down by the AFL, their legal team, and their club, but in the end if they are banned it will be based on their own version of the truth

You'd hope so but forgive me for having little faith in the system given the brazen skulduggery we've endured for 2 years now.

 

[yodellinhank]

Sure they were let down by the AFL, their legal team, and their club, but in the end if they are banned it will be based on selective manipulation of their own version of the truth

EFA

 

[Dan Cooper]

Sure they were let down by the AFL, their legal team, and their club, but in the end if they are banned it will be based on their own version of the truth

I wonder if the players even know what the truth is? Suppose for a minute Dank did dupe the club and the players - and I believe that is a real possibility - where does that leave the players in terms of being able to supply accurate accounts of what took place?

 

[expires]

Understand it could be heart and not head, but I am going with sad hoax on the go blues stuff.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Poster has spread porkies before. For whatever reason essendon fans seem to trust opposition supporters who are sympathetic to our cause.

 

[Matthew_Lloyd]

We'd have heard of it in the media by now if it were true.

 

[vaughany]

It had been mention before...but I wonder if a journo out there is collaborating a book/s about the whole case?
Does anyone know if something is in the pipelines?

 

[vaughany]

Understand it could be heart and not head, but I am going with sad hoax on the go blues stuff.

What is the blues stuff about?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Poster has spread porkies before. For whatever reason essendon fans seem to trust opposition supporters who are sympathetic to our cause.

Is that right? Personally I think it's crap.

 

[expires]

What is the blues stuff about?

Go blues is the poster presenting the fact that an Essendon player has admitted to being injected with TB4. With a bit more thrown in about other players.

 

[Walesy]

ASADA: "what do you remember about the injections you had in 2012"?
PLAYER: "no comment"

that doesnt look guilty?

After ASADA's efforts over the past 2 years, no player will ever say anything else.

 

[efcboy]

I wonder if the players even know what the truth is? Suppose for a minute Dank did dupe the club and the players - and I believe that is a real possibility - where does that leave the players in terms of being able to supply accurate accounts of what took place?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Is that right? Personally I think it's crap.

Yep. Was popular in this thread last year.
some crazy rumours flying around at that time. None true. Go figure.

 

[yaco55]

Posted on the HTB, I thought it was an error of judgement by Go Blues to post the alleged excerpt. I wonder now about the intentions of the poster,seeing he is still discussing it in fairly specific terms on the HTB. There is something wrong with the world when this information finds itself on a public forum.

 

[2one2]

happy birthday leader

 

[Atavistic]

Posted on the HTB, I thought it was an error of judgement by Go Blues to post the alleged excerpt. I wonder now about the intentions of the poster,seeing he is still discussing it in fairly specific terms on the HTB. There is something wrong with the world when this information finds itself on a public forum.

Can you please put up a link to this post?

Edit: Never mind, I found it. It did occur to me that Dank, apparently not having a clue about the status of TB4 himself, may have injected it into the players and told them it was fine. I'm sure we'll find out in time. If true, it means that the naivety of all concerned knew no bounds.