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[Kappa]

Drugs are awesome, that's common knowledge. If you disagree you are either Christian or have never tried them, or any of the good ones, so you don't don't qualify in having an opinion.

If these boys took clen on purpose and are found to be judged that way then they can cop it.

However, if they seriously and legitimately got stuffed on by a bad cut of coke then I feel the laws must be more flexible and lenient.
That of course won't happen and we know their careers are over, but that's exactly the point, their careers are going to be over because of pure accident and not purposeful.

Who the **** goes through their 20's without trying drugs? No one, and if you do, I feel sorry for you.
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is, keep that in mind at all times." Bill Hicks.

Spoken by someone extremely naive of the damage drugs do to lives and families.

 

[Anzacday]

Drugs are awesome, that's common knowledge. If you disagree you are either Christian or have never tried them, or any of the good ones, so you don't don't qualify in having an opinion.
If these boys took clen on purpose and are found to be judged that way then they can cop it.
However, if they seriously and legitimately got stuffed on by a bad cut of coke then I feel the laws must be more flexible and lenient.
That of course won't happen and we know their careers are over, but that's exactly the point, their careers are going to be over because of pure accident and not purposeful.
Who the **** goes through their 20's without trying drugs? No one, and if you do, I feel sorry for you.
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is, keep that in mind at all times." Bill Hicks.

I'm sure Crosisca thought that at the time.
So did Cousins, problem for him he still does at least Gav turned his life around.

 

[Apex36]

Yes but that then opens up a whole new can of worms. If we are going to sack them because it is illegal then shouldn't it apply to all illegal activity. Why are we singling out one particular illegal activity.

Because if cocaine was legal, it would be available as a regulated substance, and therefore it would be reasonable to assume that there would be no cutting agents, or if there were, the info on what cutting agents were used would be readily available.

Regardless of anything though, they wouldn't be sacked because of illegal activity, of any kind. They would be sacked because their actions would result in their inability to play for a specified amount of time, and it would be unreasonable to expect the club to keep two players listed who are unable to be utilized.

If Marley had been sent to jail, I'm sure he would have been delisted too.

 

[Heir_Apparent]

Sure drugs can **** up families but if someone in the family is ****ing themselves because of drugs, the family was already ****ed up in some way, this is just natural selection. Cousins will either stop and be forever known as a clown or he will kill himself, either option doesn't change the greater goods ability to handle their drugs and continue to not care what society thinks.

 

[ColinWood]

Yeah, that's true. But how can that be expected of them? From my understanding, our 2010 team were pretty wild. I just think it should be like any job: what you do away from the job doesn't matter. What you do at the job does.

This sounds good but in my view it's not a realistic representation of the current situation, let alone a realistic scenario to aim for re: drug use in AFL.

Footy players already can't indulge in tons of legal things the rest of the community enjoys, ie large amounts of junk food, lazy holidays - they need to train even in the off season and come back within skin fold limits. To me this is just an extension of these same principles. I don't think they're hard done by, no one is forcing them to be an elite footballer - there are many semi or non professional footy options open to them, let alone other careers.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

This sounds good but in my view it's not a realistic representation of the current situation, let alone a realistic scenario to aim for re: drug use in AFL.

Footy players already can't indulge in tons of legal things the rest of the community enjoys, ie large amounts of junk food, lazy holidays - they need to train even in the off season and come back within skin fold limits. To me this is just an extension of these same principles. I don't think they're hard done by, no one is forcing them to be an elite footballer - there are many semi or non professional footy options open to them, let alone other careers.

Exactly.

 

[ColinWood]

Sure. I'm certainly not arguing players should go out and get a habit - of anything, alcohol, drugs, whatever. And there should be no room for performance enhancing drugs. But also, people shouldn't have to have their employers controlling their personal lives. That's basically what people are saying when they say there should be a stricter AFL policy. Imagine if our employers decided they would drug test us. That would be completely wrong.

I know many (in my sector and beyond, though not my company) that do random 'fit for work' testing. This includes alcohol and drug testing. These are office jobs in Melbourne, not operating heavy machinery etc but cutting deals, making decisions and representing the company.

 

[Kappa]

Sure drugs can **** up families but if someone in the family is ******* themselves because of drugs, the family was already stuffed up in some way, this is just natural selection. Cousins will either stop and be forever known as a clown or he will kill himself, either option doesn't change the greater goods ability to handle their drugs and continue to not care what society thinks.

It's obvious there is no point debating this with you, but I know good people who's lives and their families lives have literally been ruined by drugs. Saying drugs are awesome and if you disagree you know nothing is cringe worthy tripe.

 

[Markfs]

This sounds good but in my view it's not a realistic representation of the current situation, let alone a realistic scenario to aim for re: drug use in AFL.

Footy players already can't indulge in tons of legal things the rest of the community enjoys, ie large amounts of junk food, lazy holidays - they need to train even in the off season and come back within skin fold limits. To me this is just an extension of these same principles. I don't think they're hard done by, no one is forcing them to be an elite footballer - there are many semi or non professional footy options open to them, let alone other careers.

I tend to agree with you. I think we need to extend this "enforced discipline" to company directors. I think a daily enema would keep them in shape ready to make decisions that are in the best interests of their shareholders. I think it should be mandatory to have their nipples pierced too. It will do them good...

 

[Finnishpie]

I know many (in my sector and beyond, though not my company) that do random 'fit for work' testing. This includes alcohol and drug testing. These are office jobs in Melbourne, not operating heavy machinery etc but cutting deals, making decisions and representing the company.

Something has gone wrong somewhere, that's for sure.

 

[CFC2010]

Whether drugs are awesome or not is irrelevant to the two boys!

They were done for PED's it is as simple as that.

In seven days if the B sample is positive it really doesn't matter what cocktail they consumed.

P.S. Heard another theory other than the tainted coke rumour. Massive wake up call for our club!

 

[Finnishpie]

This sounds good but in my view it's not a realistic representation of the current situation, let alone a realistic scenario to aim for re: drug use in AFL.

Footy players already can't indulge in tons of legal things the rest of the community enjoys, ie large amounts of junk food, lazy holidays - they need to train even in the off season and come back within skin fold limits. To me this is just an extension of these same principles. I don't think they're hard done by, no one is forcing them to be an elite footballer - there are many semi or non professional footy options open to them, let alone other careers.

Actually, lots of them still drink, and I'm sure plenty eat rubbish at times too. They still have to 'generally' take care of themselves, but actually, Ben Cousins had an ice habit and played every week (which is pretty amazing really). So really, the thing about illicit drugs is just moralism, I reckon. Yes, they should stay away from too much of it, but in the same way that they should generally look after themselves - everything in moderation. Obviously if they're not performing, then they have to perform - and they can make any decisions they like to improve that. It's up to them.

 

[TradeDraft]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/la...ed-to-face-asada/story-fndv8g1a-1227296161646

Do what Essendon did just DENY DENY DENY that you know how it got into there Systems.

Bit DIfferent to Essendond has Postive Test makes it harder for them but just Deny

 

[Fruit]

Whether drugs are awesome or not is irrelevant to the two boys!

They were done for PED's it is as simple as that.

In seven days if the B sample is positive it really doesn't matter what cocktail they consumed.

P.S. Heard another theory other than the tainted coke rumour. Massive wake up call for our club!

Don't leave us hanging. What's the other theory?

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Sure drugs can **** up families but if someone in the family is ******* themselves because of drugs, the family was already stuffed up in some way, this is just natural selection. Cousins will either stop and be forever known as a clown or he will kill himself, either option doesn't change the greater goods ability to handle their drugs and continue to not care what society thinks.

As someone who works with individuals and families who have been ravaged by the ills that are created by, or drastically worsened by, drugs and alcohol and their abuse, it ****ing seriously saddens me how misguided you are... And that you, and people who hold the same understanding as you, just shows how much ****ing more work our society and its institutions still have to do... It actually saddens me

 

[frizzle]

As someone who works with individuals and families who have been ravaged by the ills that are created by, or drastically worsened by, drugs and alcohol and their abuse, it ******* seriously saddens me how misguided you are... And that you, and people who hold the same understanding as you, just shows how much ******* more work our society and its institutions still have to do... It actually saddens me

Absolutely spot on. I've seen a few shocking posts on BF. But that one was the pits.

 

[ace andy]

Drugs are awesome, that's common knowledge. If you disagree you are either Christian or have never tried them, or any of the good ones, so you don't don't qualify in having an opinion.

If these boys took clen on purpose and are found to be judged that way then they can cop it.

However, if they seriously and legitimately got stuffed on by a bad cut of coke then I feel the laws must be more flexible and lenient.
That of course won't happen and we know their careers are over, but that's exactly the point, their careers are going to be over because of pure accident and not purposeful.

Who the **** goes through their 20's without trying drugs? No one, and if you do, I feel sorry for you.
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is, keep that in mind at all times." Bill Hicks.

It must be nice to only think of yourself while snorting a line and not all the innocent bodies that were killed so you can have some fun. If you buy coke from them you have directly caused that murder to happen.

Unless your growing it yourself some how.

 

[Markfs]

As someone who works with individuals and families who have been ravaged by the ills that are created by, or drastically worsened by, drugs and alcohol and their abuse, it ******* seriously saddens me how misguided you are... And that you, and people who hold the same understanding as you, just shows how much ******* more work our society and its institutions still have to do... It actually saddens me

I think we need to try to eliminate those drugs that seek people out and invade their bodies. I'm very supportive of those people who have been innocently targeted by drugs. I think we all need to work hard to assist these people in overcoming the problems that these drugs have created for them.

 

[frizzle]

I think we need to try to eliminate those drugs that seek people out and invade their bodies. I'm very supportive of those people who have been innocently targeted by drugs. I think we all need to work hard to assist these people in overcoming the problems that these drugs have created for them.

I think we need to heap praise upon people who have never made a mistake as well. What's it like?

 

[Markfs]

I think we need to heap praise upon people who have never made a mistake as well. What's it like?

oh i've been at the end of a few mistakes. my ex made me marry her. I got tricked into a few bad relationships. I got conned into taking a few jobs that I shouldnt.... the usual stuff. Fortunately, I havent been ravaged by the ills created by drugs. I suppose I've been lucky...

 

[Hagla]

What amazes me about this whole debate is that Marley Williams can hit someone, break their jaw, and no one called for him to be sacked. But if someone does something in the privacy of their own home, without hurting anyone, and it's "zero tolerance". Seriously.

"without hurting anyone" - well they may not have hurt anyone directly but they are supporting an industry that does a hell of a lot more damage than Marley's punch did.

 

[Markfs]

http://www.wikihow.com/Not-Do-Drugs

method 3 of avoiding drugs is to keep and active and healthy lifestyle.... now I'm confused..

 

[Gone Critical]

Because the AFL don't govern those bodies. The AFL reasonably are worried about what they can control. That argument is an argument for any group never doing anything, as there will always be some other group who aren't being asked to meet the standard in question. Doesn't mean anything in terms of whether the question in front of them is right or not, in isolation.

That's probably the crux of it. I don't think that is reasonable. I don't think an employers rights or duties extend to controlling the behaviour of their employees to this degree.

 

[76woodenspooners]

if someone came to my workplace and told me that they were introducing drug testing.... and my work has no occ health and safety impact on others.....then I would tell them to piss off..... however there were jobs in the USA 10 years ago as administrative people in local government which used drug testing merely to sift out the "nice" people from the irresponsible druggies.

It happens in the US today.

I believe it's tied in with their healthcare. In the US employers often provide healthcare for their employees, and they can probably get discounts on their premiums if they do drug testing.

 

[TradeDraft]

Ervin Santana was Banned for 80 Games for Performance Enhancing Drugs earlier this week