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Beerfish said:
It's really only gone to complete shit in the last 5 to 10 years. Believe me I'm seriously considering it but unfortunately I'm stuck here for now due to personal circumstances.
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Greece has some pretty cheap houses going at the moment
 
Beerfish said:
Yes and yes along with traffic congestion (both human and vehicular), lack of adequate infrastructure, lack of things to do. Have had enough. Perth doesn't have enough good stuff going for it to make up for all the negatives.
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But we have beaches. Awesome beaches.












Did I mention we have beaches ?
 
Beerfish said:
Yes and yes along with traffic congestion (both human and vehicular), lack of adequate infrastructure, lack of things to do. Have had enough. Perth doesn't have enough good stuff going for it to make up for all the negatives.
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Traffic congestion is everywhere. Don't think I've been to any city that doesn't have it. Also in regards of lack of things to do what else exactly are you looking for?
 

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I don't agree at all with Perth having a 'lack of things to do'. I might have agreed 10 years ago but it's changed a lot since then.

Traffic congestion is a normal part of living in a place with more than one million people. It's the price you pay for living in a modern city.
 
WCErevival said:
Traffic congestion is everywhere. Don't think I've been to any city that doesn't have it. Also in regards of lack of things to do what else exactly are you looking for?
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Agree that every city has congestion but I don't feel there's any payoff for putting up with it here. In Melbourne and Sydney there is literally always something to see or do. Having said that, we may end up just moving out of the city down south on some acreage or something. Haven't decided yet.
 
Forward Press said:
I don't agree at all with Perth having a 'lack of things to do'. I might have agreed 10 years ago but it's changed a lot since then.

Traffic congestion is a normal part of living in a place with more than one million people. It's the price you pay for living in a modern city.
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We do have the arena now which at least means some half decent acts are coming again which is good. That whole period where the ent cent was closed but we had nothing else similar was totally ****ed.

So what is there to do in Perth then?
 
Better question is: what is there to do in Melbourne and Sydney that you can't in Perth? It's a big city that has everything most other cities have, with much less traffic congestion and better weather. Only thing that annoys me is that its' so bloody far away from everywhere else. Although that's probably a good thing given Essendon's current form
 
Beerfish said:
We do have the arena now which at least means some half decent acts are coming again which is good. That whole period where the ent cent was closed but we had nothing else similar was totally stuffed.

So what is there to do in Perth then?
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To answer that properly, I have to know what you prefer.

There's parks, beaches, restaurants, pubs, bars, clubs, theatre, sports, etc etc. Something for everyone, really. Sydney and Melbourne have more variety and their suburbs are more lively - but that's what you'd expect since they are 3 to 4 times bigger than we are.
 
kfc1 said:
Better question is: what is there to do in Melbourne and Sydney that you can't in Perth? It's a big city that has everything most other cities have, with much less traffic congestion and better weather. Only thing that annoys me is that its' so bloody far away from everywhere else. Although that's probably a good thing given Essendon's current form
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I'd say that things in Perth being so far from each other is even more annoying than Perth being a long way from everywhere else.
 
The only things I can think of are the footy and skiing/snowboarding. Outside of that its not much different as far as options go. We will get more gigs/performances as the population and city grows and is seen as a proper city and not just a place tacked on to the rest of Australia. Perth's actually going through a pretty big change atm and will be fairly decent in a few years.
 
kfc1 said:
Better question is: what is there to do in Melbourne and Sydney that you can't in Perth? It's a big city that has everything most other cities have, with much less traffic congestion and better weather. Only thing that annoys me is that its' so bloody far away from everywhere else. Although that's probably a good thing given Essendon's current form
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There's just a lot more of everything. You could start going to all the restaurants and bars in the city alone and by the time you'd been to them all the first ones you'd been to would have changed. Lots of shows and exhibitions and shops. Perth is a big small city if that makes sense. It has all of the disadvantages with very few of the benefits of a big big city.. if you follow. The congestion over there doesn't really seem to matter as much because the public transport system actually works.
 
Forward Press said:
To answer that properly, I have to know what you prefer.

There's parks, beaches, restaurants, pubs, bars, clubs, theatre, sports, etc etc. Something for everyone, really. Sydney and Melbourne have more variety and their suburbs are more lively - but that's what you'd expect since they are 3 to 4 times bigger than we are.
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That pretty much nails it I think.
 

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Beerfish said:
That pretty much nails it I think.
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Fair enough then. I like visiting Sydney and Melbourne for holidays (been there about five times each) but in the end if I had to raise my kids somewhere in Australia I'd do it in Perth. It's about the right size now - not too busy and congested, and not too quiet and boring.
 
I agree that suburban Perth is boring. Sydney and Melbourne have more choice for vibrant (wankword alert) suburbs than Perth. Those cities developed much earlier so there was lots of density along the rail lines before the car and NIMBYism became king. Easy to get bland suburbia over there if thats what youre after though
 
Perth is definitely evolving. Even though Im not old at all, I can see plenty of changes for the long term future starting to show up.

I genuinely think when gen Y takes over, Perth will be a very good city to live in.
 
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kfc1 said:
Better question is: what is there to do in Melbourne and Sydney that you can't in Perth? It's a big city that has everything most other cities have, with much less traffic congestion and better weather. Only thing that annoys me is that its' so bloody far away from everywhere else. Although that's probably a good thing given Essendon's current form
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This is a good point. A lot of people romanticise Melbourne or Sydney or London or NY or wherever because they only ever go there on holiday and have a skewed perception. I'll use Melbourne for my comparison.

With any city you take the good with the bad. Melbourne folk celebrate if they get an 18 degree day in winter. The ****? Isn't that the temperature every day? Perth people always play the weather card, but when you live somewhere it has a big influence on your day to day life. If it's rainy and miserable here people just don't leave their homes. The novelty of the 'fickle' Melbourne weather wears off when it's rainy and miserable all the time. On the flip side people play the beaches card also, but never actually go to the beach - just like people talk up the restaurants and coffee and 'always things happening' of places other than Perth then end up spending their time doing things they could do in Perth or any other place.

I think people get caught in the trap of comparing their own shitty suburban life to what their life could be in Melbourne, when in reality their life could be totally different in Perth. If you live in your brand new house in Piara Waters and spend your weekends driving to Cockburn Gateway and Bunnings then you're not going to sell up and end up in a heritage townhouse in Prahran drinking coffee on Chapel St with your French Poodle. You'll end up living the suburban life in Melbourne, just like many Melbourne people do. Perth doesn't have as many established medium to high density areas with stuff going on but some do exist. Most people don't live there because they can't afford to or because they would rather have the 3/4 bedroom house and some land than live in an apartment. If you want a nice house on some land in a good area in Melbourne it will cost you a mint just like it does here. Perth has different culture because people grew up in a small city where everyone had a big block and drove everywhere. That model stopped working when we hit 7 figures, if not before.
 

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Scotland said:
This is a good point. A lot of people romanticise Melbourne or Sydney or London or NY or wherever because they only ever go there on holiday and have a skewed perception. I'll use Melbourne for my comparison.

With any city you take the good with the bad. Melbourne folk celebrate if they get an 18 degree day in winter. The ****? Isn't that the temperature every day? Perth people always play the weather card, but when you live somewhere it has a big influence on your day to day life. If it's rainy and miserable here people just don't leave their homes. The novelty of the 'fickle' Melbourne weather wears off when it's rainy and miserable all the time. On the flip side people play the beaches card also, but never actually go to the beach - just like people talk up the restaurants and coffee and 'always things happening' of places other than Perth then end up spending their time doing things they could do in Perth or any other place.

I think people get caught in the trap of comparing their own shitty suburban life to what their life could be in Melbourne, when in reality their life could be totally different in Perth. If you live in your brand new house in Piara Waters and spend your weekends driving to Cockburn Gateway and Bunnings then you're not going to sell up and end up in a heritage townhouse in Prahran drinking coffee on Chapel St with your French Poodle. You'll end up living the suburban life in Melbourne, just like many Melbourne people do. Perth doesn't have as many established medium to high density areas with stuff going on but some do exist. Most people don't live there because they can't afford to or because they would rather have the 3/4 bedroom house and some land than live in an apartment. If you want a nice house on some land in a good area in Melbourne it will cost you a mint just like it does here. Perth has different culture because people grew up in a small city where everyone had a big block and drove everywhere. That model stopped working when we hit 7 figures, if not before.
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Really good post and your point about the holiday mentality skewing perceptions is something that has definitely occurred to me. If we were to take the plunge I think we'd rent our house here out and just rent in inner city Melbourne for six months to a year to try it on for size.
 
Beerfish said:
Agree that every city has congestion but I don't feel there's any payoff for putting up with it here. In Melbourne and Sydney there is literally always something to see or do. Having said that, we may end up just moving out of the city down south on some acreage or something. Haven't decided yet.
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My family lives in Melbourne. Their roads are crap compared to ours, the congestion is worse and the infrastructure is years behind their population growth. Public transport is a joke, as well.
I can understand your "nothing to do" argument but I think the rest of it is just a bit "the grass is greener" and you might find yourself quite a bit unhappier moving over East. Plus it's frigging freezing over there! (Most of the year around, anyway.)

Maybe go and spend a month there in winter- just to test the waters. EDIT- just read your later post in which you said you might try it for 6+ months. That's a great idea.

Oh- and how close are you to family and friends? That's another deciding factor. A very important one. (Especially when you start having kids, if you haven't got them already.)
 
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