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Coaching Staff Senior Coach: John Worsfold - Thank you John

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If Worsfold is a good manager of people and sets a platform where everyone has the opportunity to excell at their job then that will be good enough for me.

I couldnt care less about public expectations of our process or some future coach not wanting to be interviewed by us. If we were ever going to be an unnattractive option for coaches its now.

Success in THIS appointment is the only outcome we are looking for - sustained on-feild success.
 
Drummer_19 said:
Does anyone know what Worsfold actually did at Adelaide? Seems to be getting a lot of credit for kind of just being there.
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I'm not sure Roo would have been so intent on keeping someone who just stood there.
 

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Drummer_19 said:
Does anyone know what Worsfold actually did at Adelaide? Seems to be getting a lot of credit for kind of just being there.
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He directed the coaches.

I believe it was My Fair Lady
 
Lets poach bolton fro m carlton, offer him thrice as much, as he dosent have a contract nothing carlton can do, we'll be set and carlton will look like idiots. Win win
 
frenchfri12 said:
Lets poach bolton fro m carlton, offer him thrice as much, as he dosent have a contract nothing carlton can do, we'll be set and carlton will look like idiots. Win win
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That'd be pretty funny actually.
 
Drummer_19 said:
Does anyone know what Worsfold actually did at Adelaide? Seems to be getting a lot of credit for kind of just being there.
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Sometimes a strong presence and getting people focussed on a task

I started a thread in the Essendon board saying worsfold was your man (thread got deleted ...hate to say it but I told you so)

People will argue he made mistakes around cousins and Kerr. He acknowledged that but it's what he did after that counts - which is cleaning up the culture and rebuilding the list ..........look at where we are now and he recruited many of the players we are benefitting from

He commands respect. He's not media flashy and doesn't give you much in press conferences ......never gets too flustered with a loss or get carried away with a win .....

He will bring in solid people and frankly Essendon needs a big clean out. If I was him I'd be getting rid of everyone in the coaching area ...anyone that was involved in the peptides must go

He will do a good job
 
Hardhat11 said:
Sometimes a strong presence and getting people focussed on a task

I started a thread in the Essendon board saying worsfold was your man (thread got deleted ...hate to say it but I told you so)
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Your thread was closed because we already have a thread on the topic. I'm not sure why you thought your prognostications were threadworthy but they weren't.

Hardhat11 said:
He will bring in solid people and frankly Essendon needs a big clean out. If I was him I'd be getting rid of everyone in the coaching area ...anyone that was involved in the peptides must go
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Let me give you a bit of free advice now. Don't come swinging onto this board to let us all know your learned opinion on what 'frankly' needs to happen again.
 

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Hardhat11 said:
He will bring in solid people and frankly Essendon needs a big clean out. If I was him I'd be getting rid of everyone in the coaching area ...anyone that was involved in the peptides must go
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They have been. Most of them 2 years ago now.

Last one remaining left in August.
 
Eleven 38 said:
That's an assumption. We don't know what was said in the meeting.
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95% of this thread is people making assumptions, then complaining about the club acting like they've assumed. Sort of like modern "Journalism".
 
I can see why JW is the stand out candidate.
What are peoples opinion of his match day ability?
Is it a concern that his game plan would be outdated?
 
Hardhat11 said:
Sometimes a strong presence and getting people focussed on a task

I started a thread in the Essendon board saying worsfold was your man (thread got deleted ...hate to say it but I told you so)

People will argue he made mistakes around cousins and Kerr. He acknowledged that but it's what he did after that counts - which is cleaning up the culture and rebuilding the list ..........look at where we are now and he recruited many of the players we are benefitting from

He commands respect. He's not media flashy and doesn't give you much in press conferences ......never gets too flustered with a loss or get carried away with a win .....

He will bring in solid people and frankly Essendon needs a big clean out. If I was him I'd be getting rid of everyone in the coaching area ...anyone that was involved in the peptides must go

He will do a good job
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Saw that. Why was it deleted?
 
Hardhat11 said:
Sometimes a strong presence and getting people focussed on a task

I started a thread in the Essendon board saying worsfold was your man (thread got deleted ...hate to say it but I told you so)

People will argue he made mistakes around cousins and Kerr. He acknowledged that but it's what he did after that counts - which is cleaning up the culture and rebuilding the list ..........look at where we are now and he recruited many of the players we are benefitting from

He commands respect. He's not media flashy and doesn't give you much in press conferences ......never gets too flustered with a loss or get carried away with a win .....

He will bring in solid people and frankly Essendon needs a big clean out. If I was him I'd be getting rid of everyone in the coaching area ...anyone that was involved in the peptides must go

He will do a good job
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I used to find his media skills were good entertainment value. Used to treat the inane questions/statements of reporters with the contempt the they deserved. He quiet often left the WA media, like Basil and co, floundering with his deep pan answers. It was like he had them almost too scared to ask anything meaningful. Would hope he could carry this type form through if he does land in at EFC.
 

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Fozdog said:
Saw that. Why was it deleted?
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Beerfish said:
Your thread was closed because we already have a thread on the topic. I'm not sure why you thought your prognostications were threadworthy but they weren't.



Let me give you a bit of free advice now. Don't come swinging onto this board to let us all know your learned opinion on what 'frankly' needs to happen again.
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Paul_Barnard said:
I can see why JW is the stand out candidate.
What are peoples opinion of his match day ability?
Is it a concern that his game plan would be outdated?
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He's been criticised about his lack of flexibility in the past. I remember around our premiership years, a lot of teams would play a spare man behind the ball, assuming our mids would win it and bomb it forward. Woosha would always man those spare men up as quickly as possible and have us play 1 on 1 all over the ground, with an emphasis being on winning more contests.

I remember games at the point would be with us kicking into a forward line with like 24 players in it, unable to get clear shots because we had no players who could take a contested mark and there was no room for small forwards at all. Games ended up with us easily winning time inside 50 but kicking heaps of behinds. The press wasn't as good in those days so we'd leak out more goals on the rebound than teams do these days but this won us a flag back in the day.

After that I think teams realised we wanted to play 1 on 1 so much and came to the conclusion that they could manipulate match ups to suit them. So we ended up with our guns being played close and having to win contests to get the ball (and then disposing under pressure), while our crabs were given time and space and encouraged to kick and run against oppositions skilled players, who'd always have more impact. Needless to say this didn't end up going well for us, we quickly became known as the least skilled team in the competition and we ended up going through a period where we went 16-50 between 2008-2010.

That was probably the first time Worsfold's job came under serious pressure and I remember when we re-invented himself in 2011 that I thought "Lucky we gave him a second chance". Anyway, it was the press in 2011 which saw us shoot up the ladder. Obviously this was a lot more of a space zoning thing, much like football today, and it shows that Woosh was willing to change his philosophy, although he'd gotten to the stage where he had to. I guess it also shows that he's not really a stranger to how football is played today (Besides a few tricky difference I can't see much difference between our current "web" and the zone Worsfold coached in 2011-2013).

With regards to his firing - 2013 was a strange season for us. I don't know what happened first but either the players stopped believing in Worsfold or he became distracted as **** and didn't care. We had an alright season but, to me, the team was uncharacteristically self entitled. I know that's a long bow to draw but, yeah, I just felt we had so many arrogant players not doing much selflessly. Worsfold also got skinnier and people speculated he was sick or that he was stressed about a family problem. Since he'd kind of lost the players and because of the 2008 - 2010 debacle it just felt his time was up. I think we cunningly dressed up his sacking as a mutual decision and that was that.
 
Jimmy_the_Gent said:
He's been criticised about his lack of flexibility in the past. I remember around our premiership years, a lot of teams would play a spare man behind the ball, assuming our mids would win it and bomb it forward. Woosha would always man those spare men up as quickly as possible and have us play 1 on 1 all over the ground, with an emphasis being on winning more contests.

I remember games at the point would be with us kicking into a forward line with like 24 players in it, unable to get clear shots because we had no players who could take a contested mark and there was no room for small forwards at all. Games ended up with us easily winning time inside 50 but kicking heaps of behinds. The press wasn't as good in those days so we'd leak out more goals on the rebound than teams do these days but this won us a flag back in the day.

After that I think teams realised we wanted to play 1 on 1 so much and came to the conclusion that they could manipulate match ups to suit them. So we ended up with our guns being played close and having to win contests to get the ball (and then disposing under pressure), while our crabs were given time and space and encouraged to kick and run against oppositions skilled players, who'd always have more impact. Needless to say this didn't end up going well for us, we quickly became known as the least skilled team in the competition and we ended up going through a period where we went 16-50 between 2008-2010.

That was probably the first time Worsfold's job came under serious pressure and I remember when we re-invented himself in 2011 that I thought "Lucky we gave him a second chance". Anyway, it was the press in 2011 which saw us shoot up the ladder. Obviously this was a lot more of a space zoning thing, much like football today, and it shows that Woosh was willing to change his philosophy, although he'd gotten to the stage where he had to. I guess it also shows that he's not really a stranger to how football is played today (Besides a few tricky difference I can't see much difference between our current "web" and the zone Worsfold coached in 2011-2013).

With regards to his firing - 2013 was a strange season for us. I don't know what happened first but either the players stopped believing in Worsfold or he became distracted as **** and didn't care. We had an alright season but, to me, the team was uncharacteristically self entitled. I know that's a long bow to draw but, yeah, I just felt we had so many arrogant players not doing much selflessly. Worsfold also got skinnier and people speculated he was sick or that he was stressed about a family problem. Since he'd kind of lost the players and because of the 2008 - 2010 debacle it just felt his time was up. I think we cunningly dressed up his sacking as a mutual decision and that was that.
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Great post JTG..
Encouraging to hear he had the flexibility to re-invent his game style and philosophy.
i was of the assumption (from the outside) that he was pretty one dimensional with his tactics.
Was he the sort of coach that the players would 'play for' like a Clarkson/Lyon type?
Or was his success more down to process and structure?
 
The purple rodent has obviously decided Woosh is a lock. The latest sliding doors from from the weasel flog is full of melt because the club hasn't followed the process he believes should be completed when employing a coach. Never ceases to amaze me that a campaigner with a journalism degree sees himself as an expert on football tactics, technique and administration? With his level of self appointed expertise surely he should move into coaching himself?

campaigner.
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
The purple rodent has obviously decided Woosh is a lock. The latest sliding doors from from the weasel flog is full of melt because the club hasn't followed the process he believes should be completed when employing a coach. Never ceases to amaze me that a campaigner with a journalism degree sees himself as an expert on football tactics, technique and administration? With his level of self appointed expertise surely he should move into coaching himself?

campaigner.
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Not sure why you bother reading that crap. Not that I disagree with what you say.
 

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