Recommitted Cam McCarthy requests trade home to WA

[Colonial]

And Nickos66 said it's possible he sulks next year.

Exactly. If im scum for insinuating it then so is he. Or is this just a one eyed thing again.

 

[theGav56]

Im still yet to see how mccarthy loses trade value if he stays for another year.

The only way would be if he doesn't get much game time next year. If Patton and Cameron are both in your forward line, is he your ideal 3rd tall?

 

[darkshines]

Love the houlier than thou attitude of the Giants camp.

Nevertheless, their strategy has been brilliant and can only be applauded.

McCarthy was drafted as a commodity, that is a given. They have got EXACTLY what they were after, stockpiling talls ensured their draft concessions last much much longer. Then also able to manipulate exposure so that suitors aren't 100% sure what they are getting, and could be paying overs for duds (Jaksch ... maybe).

They were shrewd enough to know that it takes quality drafting over 4+ years to build a club, not just the short period they got the picks in.

Nothing surer that we pay overs. Is what it is.

 

[JC100]

Love the houlier than thou attitude of the Giants camp.

Nevertheless, their strategy has been brilliant and can only be applauded.

McCarthy was drafted as a commodity, that is a given. They have got EXACTLY what they were after, stockpiling talls ensured their draft concessions last much much longer. Then also able to manipulate exposure so that suitors aren't 100% sure what they are getting, and could be paying overs for duds (Jaksch ... maybe).

They were shrewd enough to know that it takes quality drafting over 4+ years to build a club, not just the short period they got the picks in.

Nothing surer that we pay overs. Is what it is.

I think stockpiling of picks or any particular position is a common misconception. The breakdown of our list in terms of numbers per position is in line with the rest of the teams in the AFL. In order to maintain a balanced list like any other team we had to draft a certain number of midfielders/ruckman/KPF/KPD etc etc so that we had cover across all positions. I assume you have around 4 rucks as we do and most likely a similar number of key position forwards only difference is ours are all young and are all very good. If we hadn't "stockpiled' key forwards as you put it we would have had far too many players in certain positions and very vulnerable to injuries or guys not coming on.

Sunshine wasn't drafted to be traded back to perth after a couple of years. he was drafted because he was seen as the next best available player in the draft and another young key forward to compete with the others on our list and if good enough would make it in our side.

Like any club if he wasn't able to crack the afl side and wanted to leave for opportunities I'm sure the club would have been happy to help him out going back to perth. But the giants are very happy with where he is at and want to keep him because he is a very good player.

To suggest stockpiling suggests the giants are some sort of feeder club which they most definitely are not.

You are right that he will only make it home this year if it is a deal that the giants are very happy with which at this stage is looking more unlikely than likely. If he hadn't have had such a good start to the season the trade prob would have gone through for your first and both clubs would have been happy but his value internally went through the roof.

 

[JC100]

The only way would be if he doesn't get much game time next year. If Patton and Cameron are both in your forward line, is he your ideal 3rd tall?

He is the ideal third tall to Cameron and Patton because he is very mobile and can still take a good grab so defences won't be able to leave him unmanned. Nowhere near as good at this stage but his role will be very similar to Gunston at the hawks. The club believe he can push up the ground and even play on the wing (which he did a little of later in the season)

 

[Andre the Giant]

Love the houlier than thou attitude of the Giants camp.

Nevertheless, their strategy has been brilliant and can only be applauded.

McCarthy was drafted as a commodity, that is a given. They have got EXACTLY what they were after, stockpiling talls ensured their draft concessions last much much longer. Then also able to manipulate exposure so that suitors aren't 100% sure what they are getting, and could be paying overs for duds (Jaksch ... maybe).

They were shrewd enough to know that it takes quality drafting over 4+ years to build a club, not just the short period they got the picks in.

Nothing surer that we pay overs. Is what it is.

You guys had every opportunity to trade up to get Cam McCarthy. He was only taken a few selections before yours so it would have been easy to achieve.

You also could have taken a James Stewart who was a 2nd rounder or dare I say it a ruck/forward in WA's own Rory Lobb.

We didn't take any of those guys drastically high and deserve credit for good judgement rather than phoney praise for manipulating the system.

You guys were too busy chasing rubbish like Colin Sylvia (mid) and Scott Gumbleton and overlooked some gems that were right under your noses.

Now you have to pay through those noses.

 

[LeverPuller]

I think stockpiling of picks or any particular position is a common misconception. The breakdown of our list in terms of numbers per position is in line with the rest of the teams in the AFL. In order to maintain a balanced list like any other team we had to draft a certain number of midfielders/ruckman/KPF/KPD etc etc so that we had cover across all positions. I assume you have around 4 rucks as we do and most likely a similar number of key position forwards only difference is ours are all young and are all very good. If we hadn't "stockpiled' key forwards as you put it we would have had far too many players in certain positions and very vulnerable to injuries or guys not coming on.

Sunshine wasn't drafted to be traded back to perth after a couple of years. he was drafted because he was seen as the next best available player in the draft and another young key forward to compete with the others on our list and if good enough would make it in our side.

Like any club if he wasn't able to crack the afl side and wanted to leave for opportunities I'm sure the club would have been happy to help him out going back to perth. But the giants are very happy with where he is at and want to keep him because he is a very good player.

To suggest stockpiling suggests the giants are some sort of feeder club which they most definitely are not.

You are right that he will only make it home this year if it is a deal that the giants are very happy with which at this stage is looking more unlikely than likely. If he hadn't have had such a good start to the season the trade prob would have gone through for your first and both clubs would have been happy but his value internally went through the roof.

Less so about positions than about spreading the age profile of the talent so that there is viability. Use a couple of chips to generate further young talent.

 

[Andre the Giant]

He is the ideal third tall to Cameron and Patton because he is very mobile and can still take a good grab so defences won't be able to leave him unmanned. Nowhere near as good at this stage but his role will be very similar to Gunston at the hawks. The club believe he can push up the ground and even play on the wing (which he did a little of later in the season)

The player he can be is Barry Hall but without the mongrel. Working up and down, a physical and aerial threat and good also at ground level.

He's also a pretty accurate kick even though he has a weird gait and walks like he's a member of The Village People after a busy night at The Blue Oyster Bar.

 

[theGav56]

He is the ideal third tall to Cameron and Patton because he is very mobile and can still take a good grab so defences won't be able to leave him unmanned. Nowhere near as good at this stage but his role will be very similar to Gunston at the hawks. The club believe he can push up the ground and even play on the wing (which he did a little of later in the season)

So what are the prospects for Stewart and Tomlinson? Most teams playing 3 tall forwards include a 2nd ruck as one of the talls, which indicates Stewart is going to be #3. Either way you shake it those 5 are going to struggle to fit in the same team. Plus additional KPF coming in this year.

 

[Yeti]

You guys were too busy chasing rubbish like Colin Sylvia (mid) and Scott Gumbleton and overlooked some gems that were right under your noses.

Now you have to pay through those noses.

What??

Sylvia - Free agent

Gumbleton - Free agent

Check the phantom drafts from McCarthy's year, he was expected to be available at Freo's pick so we took Apeness instead who could still come on or be nothing. Too soon to tell.

But I guess we shouldn't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

 

[dlanod]

But I guess we shouldn't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

Exactly. That's why there's no point pointing out that McCarthy was drafted as GWS's CHB of the future, played in that position all last year in the reserves and only forced his way in up forward after demonstrating absolutely blistering form earlier this year. It fits your mate's conspiracy theory better to believe McCarthy was only drafted to facilitate a later trade, because that way he can get on his high horse about it.

 

[Andre the Giant]

What??

Sylvia - Free agent

Gumbleton - Free agent

Check the phantom drafts from McCarthy's year, he was expected to be available at Freo's pick so we took Apeness instead who could still come on or be nothing. Too soon to tell.

But I guess we shouldn't let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

Far out...it's not that they weren't taken as draft picks, the point is you guys tried solving your problems the easy way by recruiting ready made players.

Your mates theory that we stockpiled every KPF is junk. We just built a list of best available of talent.

When you're getting blokes at pick 14 and 27 and they are going on to become players that is kudos to management.

 

[Yeti]

Exactly. That's why there's no point pointing out that McCarthy was drafted as GWS's CHB of the future, played in that position all last year in the reserves and only forced his way in up forward after demonstrating absolutely blistering form earlier this year. It fits your mate's conspiracy theory better to believe McCarthy was only drafted to facilitate a later trade, because that way he can get on his high horse about it.

Ummmm no. I never said that was why he was drafted, nor that GWS have done anything wrong in regards to McCarthy.

I highly doubt that GWS will let him go (why should they?) and if they do it will be for 2 first rounders and a player as a minimum.

If Freo are serious they will throw out a carrot OR McCarthy will make his position at the club untenable, which is unlikely.

 

[Yeti]

Far out...it's not that they weren't taken as draft picks, the point is you guys tried solving your problems the easy way by recruiting ready made players.

Your mates theory that we stockpiled every KPF is junk. We just built a list of best available of talent.

When you're getting blokes at pick 14 and 27 and they are going on to become players that is kudos to management.

When did I agree with that theory?

And I disagree that we took "ready made players" rather than developing our own. Look at the first round picks that have flunked:
- Josh Simpson, a bit of a risky option but could not cope with the demands of AFL football
- Pitt, congenital heart defect
- Morabito, 4 Knee Reco's

Why shouldn't we use free agency on 2 list spots that cost us nothing but salary? Gumby would have been on 100K and Sylvia was worth a punt and booted when he couldn't meet the requirements of an AFL player.

What about Lachie Neale? Pick 56 (?) and made the AA squad.

Cam Sutcliffe, a best 22 player drafted at pick 71.

All club's can't be gifted a raft of first round draft picks to build a list on, let's stop throwing rocks and discuss this properly.

Matt Taberner is Freo making the best of a bad situation using a rookie listed forward for most of the year. He clearly struggles but look at where he started to where he is now. Every team need's role players, I would love to have had Patton, Cameron, McCarthy and Boyd on the list but we work with what we have.

If the situation changes I would be extremely excited to snag McCarthy, but that is highly unlikely. We would be better hoping that Apeness can get his body right and fulfill his first round selection potential.

 

[Taylor]

Exactly. That's why there's no point pointing out that McCarthy was drafted as GWS's CHB of the future, played in that position all last year in the reserves and only forced his way in up forward after demonstrating absolutely blistering form earlier this year. It fits your mate's conspiracy theory better to believe McCarthy was only drafted to facilitate a later trade, because that way he can get on his high horse about it.

Well he was a forward for WA, makes sense to play him in the backline when there are already too many forward tells ahead of him.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Far out...it's not that they weren't taken as draft picks, the point is you guys tried solving your problems the easy way by recruiting ready made players.

Your mates theory that we stockpiled every KPF is junk. We just built a list of best available of talent.

When you're getting blokes at pick 14 and 27 and they are going on to become players that is kudos to management.

No, it's still a ridiculous comparison. If Sylvia, Gumbleton or other mature-aged players cost them early picks, then maybe. But they've still kept their first rounders. They just added on two mature-aged players for as close to nothing as you can get.

 

[dlanod]

Ummmm no. I never said that was why he was drafted, nor that GWS have done anything wrong in regards to McCarthy.

I simultaneously agreeing with you and pointing out the fallacies in another Fremantle supporter's post about GWS stockpiling talls as trade bait. I didn't mean to imply that you had the latter position, sorry for any confusion.

 

[JC100]

The player he can be is Barry Hall but without the mongrel. Working up and down, a physical and aerial threat and good also at ground level.

He's also a pretty accurate kick even though he has a weird gait and walks like he's a member of The Village People after a busy night at The Blue Oyster Bar.

Have you watched him play?

 

[Andre the Giant]

Have you watched him play?

yep

 

[Andre the Giant]

No, it's still a ridiculous comparison. If Sylvia, Gumbleton or other mature-aged players cost them early picks, then maybe. But they've still kept their first rounders. They just added on two mature-aged players for as close to nothing as you can get.

It didn't cost them early picks but it helped shape their overall strategy. They were looking for quick fixes.

 

[JC100]

Have you watched Barry Hall play?

 

[Andre the Giant]

Have you watched Barry Hall play?

Yes I have

It's an opinion

You know they say opinions are a bit like you, everyone has one.

 

[JC100]

Yes I have

Then you would know it is not a good comparison?

 

[grimlock]

Then you would know it is not a good comparison?

I also likened him to Barry Hall when I watched him play. Hall was given sometimes referred to by Swans fans via the nickname BBBBH = Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall. It's the 'bustling' adjective that I believe describes McCarthy well.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Then you would know it is not a good comparison?

Barry worked harder than Cam because he developed a good tank which Cam will over time.

I think Barry was 194cms and Cam 193cms. Both very good marks particularly contested both good finishers.

Barry was more aggressive and probably of ours Jezza is closest to his temperament but Cam resembles him a lot to me.

But hey far be it for a respected Swans poster and me to contradict you. Troll away