List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

[Azul]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-10-10/son-of-sos-a-super-talent

That mark at 1:30 shows the courage this guy has. I'll be livid if we don't take him.

He runs like his father. Just those first couple of steps...

Would like to see him rotate onball and down back. If he plays solely in our forward line he'll get frostbite if he's not wearing a longsleeve jumper.

 

[DangerousD]

This is not a post advocating the trade of pick 1 but just some food for thought when talking about the possibility and to those saying 'trade under no circumstances.

The list of: Watts 08, Scully 09, Swallow 10, Patton 11 and Whitfield 12 makes me question what is soooo special about pick 1. All of these players were the best players from over the country in their years and from stronger drafts. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for any of these players yet at the moment Treloar is worth 2 first rounders and so is McCarthy.

I suggest to all readers on here to go back over the last 15 drafts and tell me in what year was pick 1 the best player. My opinion is once, so whats the problem in trading the pick if you get 2 X 200 gamers?

Every player and pick has a price. Mine is Treloar and Tomlinson for pick 1

 

[TheHunterCripps]

I usually have a concern for obtaining players that don't nominate us as a destination of preference. What are the odds of him misbehaving and showing a lack of care like Yarran this year?

That's OK... keep him away from the Filth... then trade him for a second rounder next year.

 

[Funk]

It does feel as though something will shake itself out of the bargaining and fall to the PSD.............glad we're holding it this year.

Have little to back this up but I feel that Plowman and Tomlinson will be so much better at our club than they have been at GWS and regardless what others say, I feel the same for Jaksch.................(Whiley I'm not so sure about though.)

I know other names will come and go into the equation over the course of the next few weeks but Plowman, Tomlinson and a surprise PSD will be good gets for 2015. Bank some picks for next year and the balance will start taking shape again.

The advantage with future picks is that some teams at the top are wanting to max out their list when they see a window open up, whilst the teams on the bottom (us) are happy to spread the load over a couple of years.
i.e. Richmond's 1st this year may be viewed as preferential to their 1st rounder next year............so, Yarran for next years first? Maybe.

I don't know a huge amount about the GWS guys SOS is targetting but it from what I know they can all run.

Clear pointer for me that we will attempt to move the ball a lot quicker next year.

Given most of these guys high picks as well so assume they have good kicking skills.

We'll playing a lot less "hack it forward" and be attempting to play a lot more like Hawks next year.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

He runs like his father. Just those first couple of steps...

Would like to see him rotate onball and down back. If he plays solely in our forward line he'll get frostbite if he's not wearing a longsleeve jumper.

The mark Jack took at the 1:30 point reminded me of one that his father took against West Coast back in 97 I believe it was. Eyes only for the ball, took the mark and knocked himself out.

 

[Burgers45]

From what i've seen basically looks like your typical talented guy but who doesn't necessarily apply himself 100%…

I don't want Aish, has tremendous talent, but doesn't apply himself enough or give 100%. Too much like Yarran.

 

[HARKER]

Imo he has more potential than parish

Maybe but I didn't see Aish as a junior.

Parish though has some serious X about him and if it was down between the two, I'd take Parish by the length of one of those horse straights.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This is not a post advocating the trade of pick 1 but just some food for thought when talking about the possibility and to those saying 'trade under no circumstances.

The list of: Watts 08, Scully 09, Swallow 10, Patton 11 and Whitfield 12 makes me question what is soooo special about pick 1. All of these players were the best players from over the country in their years and from stronger drafts. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for any of these players yet at the moment Treloar is worth 2 first rounders and so is McCarthy.

I suggest to all readers on here to go back over the last 15 drafts and tell me in what year was pick 1 the best player. My opinion is once, so whats the problem in trading the pick if you get 2 X 200 gamers?

Every player and pick has a price. Mine is Treloar and Tomlinson for pick 1

Treloar wants to go to Collingwood. That tells me enough about this supposed "huge Carlton fan as a kid".

Tomlinson I'm pretty confident we can get without sacrificing pick #1.

Weitering has a huge upside. We need an outright gun KPD because we haven't had one since Silvagni retired. We can draft a couple of gun mids in next year's draft especially if we're smart enough to get Cats' 2016 1st rounder. I'd also ask for Hawks' 2016 first rounder for Yarran.

Get Lions' second rounder for Bell and use that along with our own 2nd rounder for Tomlinson and Plowman.

If we can walk away with Weitering, Tomlinson, Plowman and Silvagni along with 3 first rounders for next year I'll be as happy as a pig in shit.

 

[LordLucifer]

I think I know someone...

Elementary my dear Watson.

 

[LordLucifer]

When did I say I wanted to trade pick 1? I said that the club should look at taking kids in the draft rather than take players from other clubs.

I put that up there for Mal, not you.

 

[Cringle]

Treloar wants to go to Collingwood. That tells me enough about this supposed "huge Carlton fan as a kid".

Tomlinson I'm pretty confident we can get without sacrificing pick #1.

Weitering has a huge upside. We need an outright gun KPD because we haven't had one since Silvagni retired. We can draft a couple of gun mids in next year's draft especially if we're smart enough to get Cats' 2016 1st rounder. I'd also ask for Hawks' 2016 first rounder for Yarran.

Get Lions' second rounder for Bell and use that along with our own 2nd rounder for Tomlinson and Plowman.

If we can walk away with Weitering, Tomlinson, Plowman and Silvagni along with 3 first rounders for next year I'll be as happy as a pig in shit.

I agree.

I get the feel a quality KPD is underrated nowadays because teams have gotten away with having a strong midfield to compensate for average defenders.

However... take Rance out of Richmond and they're even less chance of winning a final.

 

[Funk]

My bad, just assumed because of his low disposal numbers and a highlights of him kicking goals that he was a forward. We could make him into a forward?

Just think of the NAB TV commercial.

"Jed Anderson could play in the forward line - but that is not what he was built for"

 

[Funk]

what about michael close as well. looked okay the few times i saw him play

No games at Etihad for him!!

 

[ShanDog]

This is not a post advocating the trade of pick 1 but just some food for thought when talking about the possibility and to those saying 'trade under no circumstances.

The list of: Watts 08, Scully 09, Swallow 10, Patton 11 and Whitfield 12 makes me question what is soooo special about pick 1. All of these players were the best players from over the country in their years and from stronger drafts. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for any of these players yet at the moment Treloar is worth 2 first rounders and so is McCarthy.

I suggest to all readers on here to go back over the last 15 drafts and tell me in what year was pick 1 the best player. My opinion is once, so whats the problem in trading the pick if you get 2 X 200 gamers?

Every player and pick has a price. Mine is Treloar and Tomlinson for pick 1

This argument is a fallacy, unless you are arguing that the first pick in the AFL draft is in fact cursed by witches. In which case, it is no longer a fallacy, it's just silly.

The outcome of previous pick ones has nothing to do with the ones following it.

 

[Funk]

I agree.

I get the feel a quality KPD is underrated nowadays

However... take Rance out of Richmond and they're even less chance of winning a final.

Spot on Cringle.

Tigers are at least 3 goals a game weaker without Rance.

Make a good captain too - Richmond could do with one!!

 

[thylacine60]

And idiots us select a No 1 draft pick to coach the NBs. Hopeless.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

This is not a post advocating the trade of pick 1 but just some food for thought when talking about the possibility and to those saying 'trade under no circumstances.

The list of: Watts 08, Scully 09, Swallow 10, Patton 11 and Whitfield 12 makes me question what is soooo special about pick 1. All of these players were the best players from over the country in their years and from stronger drafts. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for any of these players yet at the moment Treloar is worth 2 first rounders and so is McCarthy.

I suggest to all readers on here to go back over the last 15 drafts and tell me in what year was pick 1 the best player. My opinion is once, so whats the problem in trading the pick if you get 2 X 200 gamers?

Every player and pick has a price. Mine is Treloar and Tomlinson for pick 1

Surely the last three we took at 1, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Murphy, were the best players (or very close to the best).
I'm sure you could probably make an argument, Kreuzer v Cotchin and Murphy v Pendlebury either way, though still Elite players.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Surely the last three we took at 1, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Murphy, were the best players (or very close to the best).
I'm sure you could probably make an argument, Kreuzer v Cotchin and Murphy v Pendlebury either way, though still Elite players.

No way is Gibbs better than Joel Selwood. Sadly, we would've taken Joel if we had the PP like we were supposed to have but of course the AFL had to make the rule change to screw us over again, it wasn't enough that they destroyed our 2002 and 2003 drafts, they had to ruin 2006 as well...

Also Kennedy would be in the mix for the best of 2005 also...

 

[Blueboy75]

Personally I wouldn't mind Aish especially if he comes for free,just wondering why don't Brizzie don't want to deal with Collingwood in regards Aish?

 

[Amers]

Ok, so if we are trying to keep a balanced list and bring in a rough like for like for who is going out I reckon it might end up something like this.

Judd - Ben Lennon or what ever pick we get for Yarran (Richmond pick 12?). Take it to the draft and use it on the best available mid.

Carrazzo - Whatever pick we get for Bell (Brisbanes 2nd round pick, pick No 23.), use it on best available mid.

Ellard - Jed Lamb, comes as a steak knife in the Tomlinson or Plowman trade.

Henderson - Tomlinson, whatever we get for Hendo we pass on for Tomlinson, we maybe get Lamb and/or Phillips as steak knives.

Yarran - Bailey Rice, both half back flankers. Cost, our 3rd round pick.

Bell - Jack Silvagni, same height, both goal kickers, comparisons probably end there, but it was the best I could do!!

Cost, 4th round pick.

Watson - Jacob Weitering, 1 round pick (Pick 1)

Giles - Lachie Plowman, trade 2nd round pick (Pick 22) to GWS.

Warnock - Wood rookie upgrade.



If we want to add anyone else, we have to delist or trade out some one 1st.

If someone like Phillips does come as a part of the suggested 4 for 1 deal, then someone like Armfield will have to make way. Is Phillips really better than Warnock? Probably not hard, but still...

If Phillips comes across, then we have to ask, is Jed Lamb better than Dennis Armfield? If not, we don't have room for Lamb.

If we take anyone in free agency or the PSD, there is another player we will have to delist 1st !!

If we want to upgrade either of the Irishmen to the senior list, then we will have to delist someone else as well.

As always, some interesting questions and things to ponder. Now to watch it all play out and see what happens !!

 

[Sasquatch]

Must be an attitude thing with aish cos there ain't nothing wrong with his football ability. Would be the best midfielder in this draft.

He clearly has attitude problems with how he handled himself this year. He'll fit in well at the Pies being a dickhead. SOS is a smart man.

 

[Jimmae]

This is not a post advocating the trade of pick 1 but just some food for thought when talking about the possibility and to those saying 'trade under no circumstances.

The list of: Watts 08, Scully 09, Swallow 10, Patton 11 and Whitfield 12 makes me question what is soooo special about pick 1. All of these players were the best players from over the country in their years and from stronger drafts. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for any of these players yet at the moment Treloar is worth 2 first rounders and so is McCarthy.

I suggest to all readers on here to go back over the last 15 drafts and tell me in what year was pick 1 the best player. My opinion is once, so whats the problem in trading the pick if you get 2 X 200 gamers?

Every player and pick has a price. Mine is Treloar and Tomlinson for pick 1

Not saying that the deal you're proposing isn't tempting, but I would happily burn a top 10 pick for all of those names you mentioned except Watts (though I'd still happily have him on our list).

 

[Lace_Out]

Personally I wouldn't mind Aish especially if he comes for free,just wondering why don't Brizzie don't want to deal with Collingwood in regards Aish?

Might have something to do with Beams?

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[mrjones]

With the most likely scenario of us netting a first rounder this year and next for Yarran and Henderson, could this turn into,

Pick 12 + our 1st round next year (not geelong's) > treloar, plowman

Absolutely NO.

Why would a team that finished last trade next years first pick ever. Maybe we improve and that will be fantastic but it is likely we are giving up a top 3 pick.
Treloar is an A grade player and would improve our list, but why spend overs ($ salary) and a likely top 3 pick next year.
We have to draft top end talent.

 

[RedFury]

This argument is a fallacy, unless you are arguing that the first pick in the AFL draft is in fact cursed by witches. In which case, it is no longer a fallacy, it's just silly.

The outcome of previous pick ones has nothing to do with the ones following it.

His argument was interesting because most people would go the other way and say that because there have been so many number 1 duds lately, we are "due" a really good one. Which is also a fallacy, but still...