Is it time that AFL clubs dropped beverage company sponsorships ?

[NathanMX]

Yep 1 in 22. 1 in 4 has impaired liver function due to being overweight.

Many don't know they have this of course.

Good thing about the human body though is it is very resilient and a little work can go a long way

 

[Mr Lizard]

Every obese person and/or person with type II diabetes I've ever known has had a high carb intake. Eating low fat is a guaranteed way to send your body (especially hormones) out of whack.

Because oranges spike insulin of course. You wouldn't be eating sugary fruits as your base diet though.

Modern day sport scientists are easing all their players into a low carb diet with high fat intake, you have more energy and it's easier to stay lean. They only carb load at the end of the week before a game and even then, their carb intake isn't that high. Port Adelaide in 2014 had their players averaging under 40g per day and then loading at 100+ at the end of the week.

Hell, this isn't even just for sport, the best up to date physicians, doctors, dieticians and nutritionists etc. are making the same recommendations to all their clients.

If fat is the best fuel, why carb load before a game?

Which asians are fat?

What do Kenyan distance runners eat?

If he'd only gotten water instead of pepsi at the KFC drive-thru...

 

[beta_condition]

Actually the ban on advertising, health warning labels, and plain packaging have worked very well. The number of Australians smoking has almost halved since 1991.

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/tobacco-kff

The alcohol and junk food industries lobby against similar regulation not because they care about "freedom of choice" but because the changes actually work.

I point you towards price.

 

[mcuzzy]

If fat is the best fuel, why carb load before a game?

Which asians are fat?

What do Kenyan distance runners eat?

If he'd only gotten water instead of pepsi at the KFC drive-thru...

Fat is the best fuel but an AFL match will require carb loading because it's such high intensity. Keep in mind, they have almost no carbs all week and then they level it out later in the week with the load, their total carb intake still isn't high.

I know a lot of fat asians. I'm sure you've seen many. Ever been to the city or areas like Springvale?

No idea what the Kenyan distance runners eat, but I know that performance enhancers and genetics play a huge role. I also like how you seem to be implying that all asians and all Kenyan distance runners are healthy.

My point isn't that you'll get fat from drinking a glass of pepsi, my point is that a high carb diet technically isn't healthy, nor are carbs the fuel source that our body uses the most efficiently.

By the way, if you're here to troll me, I'm not going to get annoyed. I just wanted to inform some people with facts and you seem to be taking it the wrong way.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Fat is the best fuel but an AFL match will require carb loading because it's such high intensity. Keep in mind, they have almost no carbs all week and then they level it out later in the week with the load, their total carb intake still isn't high.

I know a lot of fat asians. I'm sure you've seen many. Ever been to the city or areas like Springvale?

No idea what the Kenyan distance runners eat, but I know that performance enhancers and genetics play a huge role. I also like how you seem to be implying that all asians and all Kenyan distance runners are healthy.

My point isn't that you'll get fat from drinking a glass of pepsi, my point is that a high carb diet technically isn't healthy, nor are carbs the fuel source that our body uses the most efficiently.

By the way, if you're here to troll me, I'm not going to get annoyed. I just wanted to inform some people with facts and you seem to be taking it the wrong way.

I'm not here to troll you, I just think you are talking rubbish. I've seen plenty of fat asians...who eat like westerners.

AFL is so high intensity that it requires a fuel source other than the best source which is fat? Your logic doesn't logic.

 

[Tetley Tigers]

I am more concerned about the gaming companies.


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[JackOutback]

I'm not here to troll you, I just think you are talking rubbish. I've seen plenty of fat asians...who eat like westerners.

AFL is so high intensity that it requires a fuel source other than the best source which is fat? Your logic doesn't logic.

I'm not here to say fat is great, but evidence is coming to light that the sugar industry played an active role in funding research that showed fat was the cause of society's ills, while attempting to discredit research that suggested sugar was behind the rise in obesity levels. There actions are very analogous to the cigarette industry and time may show that eating regular fats is normal while all the processed shit being added to our foods to bulk it out and improve taste are the biggest culprits behind society-wide weight gain,

 

[Crankyhawk]

If pokies machines put their odds on the front of their machines the same way coke labels nutritional information then your post might have a point OP.

They do put the odds if you use the info button

 

[Crankyhawk]

Probably because absolutely nothing good can come from smoking cigarettes, even moderation is horrendous for you.

A couple of cheeky bets here and there and a relaxing beer to unwind do no where near the amount of damage 1 puff will do to you.

For some psych patients a dart is used to self medicate their symptoms.

 

[Crankyhawk]

heck there are many ultra athletes, one guy in the US ran a marathon every day for a year. All I am saying is if you are prepared to do the work you can eat whatever the heck you like.
If your average daily kj need is 8700 and you filled up on 7000 kj worth of white bread and ate nothing else you are still gonna lose weight.

And get scurvy, iron deficiency anaemia etc

 

[JackOutback]

They do put the odds if you use the info button

As bright and clear as the promises that you can win millions, I imagine

 

[Mr Lizard]

I'm not here to say fat is great, but evidence is coming to light that the sugar industry played an active role in funding research that showed fat was the cause of society's ills, while attempting to discredit research that suggested sugar was behind the rise in obesity levels. There actions are very analogous to the cigarette industry and time may show that eating regular fats is normal while all the processed shit being added to our foods to bulk it out and improve taste are the biggest culprits behind society-wide weight gain,

Food industry is like all industry, profit is the only motive. They figured out adding sugar to everything increases the profits.

Insidious campaigners.

 

[NathanMX]

And get scurvy, iron deficiency anaemia etc

Pretty hard to get everything you need every single day, heck I still only get 50% of my iron needs per day, and that is from Weetbix. Multi vitamins help but pretty sure most people would be lacking in something.

 

[southcoast]

I am more concerned about the gaming companies.


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Agree wholeheartedly with this - really object to those crosses just before games start giving the odds relating that game. Encouraging people to gamble - too much social fallout from gambling for me.

 

[mcuzzy]

I'm not here to troll you, I just think you are talking rubbish. I've seen plenty of fat asians...who eat like westerners.

AFL is so high intensity that it requires a fuel source other than the best source which is fat? Your logic doesn't logic.

I've seen a lot of fat Thais and fat Balinese out in the middle of nowhere. Those who have have an abundance of rice and don't need to do anything will likely gain weight. Having said that, you can still be skinny and unhealthy, I was a good example of that.

Funny how you say my logic doesn't logic, but what you stated before that question mark is 100% spot on. The players can get enough energy to train, lift weights and go about their daily lives on low carbs. But game day is a whole other level of intensity and they require the carbs for those continuous bursts of movement while the body is under a lot of stress. It also depends on what kind of carbs they consume, 100g of green vegetables and sweet potato is very different to 100g of pasta and apples.

Just because something is the best, doesn't necessarily mean it can do absolutely everything.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Funny how you say my logic doesn't logic, but what you stated before that question mark is 100% spot on. The players can get enough energy to train, lift weights and go about their daily lives on low carbs. But game day is a whole other level of intensity and they require the carbs for those continuous bursts of movement while the body is under a lot of stress. It also depends on what kind of carbs they consume, 100g of green vegetables and sweet potato is very different to 100g of pasta and apples.

If fat is the best fuel source, why is another fuel source needed for higher intensity exertions?

If fat is the best fuel source, why don't players fat load before games?

If fat is the best fuel source, what is the point of carbs?


edit: Port averaged under 40g of carbs per day during the week...Hmmm, that is only 160 calories. 2100 per day base metabolic rate, no activity...
And what exactly are they eating? Couple slices of toast for breakfast then what, a baby seal?

 

[mcuzzy]

If fat is the best fuel source, why is another fuel source needed for higher intensity exertions?

If fat is the best fuel source, why don't players fat load before games?

If fat is the best fuel source, what is the point of carbs?

Because while you can certainly handle high intensity exercise with high fat and low carbs, the body will cope better under that level of stress with more carbs due to more glycogen being stored in the muscles. Like I said though, it completely depends on what kind of carbs are consumed. The low GI carbs will be stored as energy for those big bursts, but high GI will cause an insuline spike and thus a crash where you'll feel fatigued and probably hungry quite quickly.

I do this myself these days, low carbs for most of the week when I'm working, going to gym, training, jogging/running etc. and I feel top notch. But playing an actual game (assuming I'm going all out and running my guts out) without a decent amount of glycogen can be a bit difficult, I lack that extra burst of energy towards the end and my muscles don't need as 'full'. Therefore within a day or two of my game, I increase carbs by adding foods like sweet potato, pumpkin, squash and less regularly bananas.

They don't need to fat load because their energy intake already revolves around high fat, whereas they save the bulk of their carbs for loading at the end of the week before their game.

Keep in mind, I dropped out of my sport science course in year 2 out of 3 despite having some good links, so I'm not as up to scratch as I want to be. But there's some good reading from guys like Darren Burgess (Port Adelaide), Tim Noakes (University of Cape Town), Peter Brukner (Cricket Australia) and Zeeshan Arain (Melbourne Demons) which would be a good and relevant start.

Edit: Here's a vid of Arain and Tom McDonald discussing it an answering some q's.

 

[estibador]

If fat is the best fuel source, why is another fuel source needed for higher intensity exertions?

If fat is the best fuel source, why don't players fat load before games?

If fat is the best fuel source, what is the point of carbs?

Fat takes longer to be broken down into energy. Carbs are a much quicker and more instantly available source of energy for the body to metabolise if you're about to embark on prolonged high intensity exercise.

Most people don't need that, so all a high carb diet does for them is continually spike their blood sugar/insulin cycle meaning they're hungry again a few hours after they eat that supposedly healthy breakfast of cereal and fruit juice. Fat causes significantly less insulin response which is why so many find a LCHF diet so successful for weight loss - because they stay fuller for longer and aren't trapped in a yo-yo cycle of hormones resulting in them having to consistently eat throughout the day.

 

[Mr Lizard]

the body will cope better under that level of stress with more carbs due to more glycogen being stored in the muscles.

But isn't fat the best fuel source? Sounds like you're arguing against yourself here.

Cheers for the link, will watch now.

from my previous post, in case you missed:
Port averaged under 40g of carbs per day during the week...Hmmm, that is only 160 calories. 2100 per day base metabolic rate, no activity...
And what exactly are they eating? Couple slices of toast for breakfast then what, a baby seal?

 

[mcuzzy]

But isn't fat the best fuel source? Sounds like you're arguing against yourself here.

Cheers for the link, will watch now.

from my previous post, in case you missed:
Port averaged under 40g of carbs per day during the week...Hmmm, that is only 160 calories. 2100 per day base metabolic rate, no activity...
And what exactly are they eating? Couple slices of toast for breakfast then what, a baby seal?

High fat good for basically everything, but high carbs at the right time does it better for continuous high intensity exercise.

PA would eat sausages, eggs, bacon, nuts, seeds, cuts of meat with all the fat, full fat dairy, oils and avos. On low carb days they'd be eating green veggies and later on adding in more carb dense veg like sweet potato etc.
Snacking on nuts for example is a good way to get calories up, 100g of our very own Aussie macadamias is about 720 calories.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Too much bread and rice will give you diabetes. Carbs are just a bunch of sugars joined together.

Maybe, but let's not forget that potatoes, white bread and rice have any number of other beneficial ingredients. Sugar is just sugar.

Hows about I eat a diet heavy in potatoes, white bread and rice and you eat a diet heavy in Pepsi and we'll see who lives longer?

 

[Mr Lizard]

high carbs at the right time does it better for continuous high intensity exercise.

Carbs are a better source of fuel, agreed.

 

[mcuzzy]

Carbs are a better source of fuel, agreed.

Troll confirmed ^

 

[Mr Lizard]

Troll confirmed ^

Troll? No, you said it yourself, carbs do it better.

Here, more of your own words:

playing an actual game without a decent amount of glycogen can be a bit difficult, I lack that extra burst of energy towards the end and my muscles don't need as 'full'.

lol, "Fat is the best fuel source but exercise can be difficult so I carb load."

 

[Furn2]

Maybe, but let's not forget that potatoes, white bread and rice have any number of other beneficial ingredients. Sugar is just sugar.

Hows about I eat a diet heavy in potatoes, white bread and rice and you eat a diet heavy in Pepsi and we'll see who lives longer?

They really don't