List Mgmt. 2015 Draft Thread - Pre-Season & Rookie Draft Friday 11:00am AEDT

[Bishop]

Cheers... i thought 8 was Hopper. If it was tucker he was pretty good.

Yep it was Tucker

#8 Darcy Tucker:
20 disposals (85% efficiency), 5 marks, 4 clearances, 4 Inside 50s, 1 goal, 2 tackles

Hopper had 21 disposals so also played well

 

[RememberRoyce]

Haha... yeah sometimes. Quick food here isn't very satisfying so maccas is easy and filling

Coming into winter you can't go past eki soba. Out the station and a few more dollars for a few plates of sushi and grab a beer from the beer machine for the walk home!

But on topic, I can't help but think this Burton kid has Stringer MK 2 written all over him. He has done well on all the physical testing, so if the medicos give the thumbs up, I say take him.

 

[Mr Magic]

We need a crafty small/med forward like ah chee as a priority before we need another player like Lennon.

For what it is worth, if Burton recovers I do not see him hardly anything like Lennon but in a good way potentially.

I don't think he is like Stringer either.

I think he might be a combination of 3 players I will not mention but bare a resemblance if he gets over his injuries and reaches his potential.

I actually think it is pretty hard to make a solid quality pick which is why I would entertain a Burton speculative pick if the Docs think he will get there

 

[The Sock Drawer]

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1. Ben Keays
2. Darcy Parish
3. Aidyn Johnson
4. Kade Stewart
5. Luke Partington
6. Nick O’Kearney
7. Callum Ah Chee
8. Darcy Tucker
9. Jake Sushames
10.Stephen Tahana
11.Yestin Eades
12.Dylan McDonald
13.Rhys Mathieson
14.Jacob Hopper
15.James Parsons
16.Thomas Cole
17.Callum Mills
18.Harley Balic
19.Josh Dunkley
20.Jordan Snadden
21.Aaron Francis
22.Ryan Burton
23.Jacob Weitering
24.Greg Clark
25.Kieran Collins
26.Sam Skinner
27.Tim Sullivan
28.Joshua Schache
29.Charlie Curnow
30.Gach Nyuon
31.Sam Weideman
32.Eric Hipwood
33.Keiran Agius
34.Ben Crocker
35.Liam Jeffs

(From my list Stewart, Mathieson, Mills, Dunkley, Burton, Sullivan, Jeffs didn’t play in the game vs Northern Blues- Might not be 100%)

like Balic's game. Tough as nails, wins one on ones.. Tackles

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Cole is a meat and potatoes, low risk - low ceiling type the likes of which Richmond have made a habit of picking the last few years. Cole I see ending up being a mix of Bagley and Docherty at his best.

Really can't help himself can Quigley.

 

[Mr Magic]

No way Yarran was worth pick 19 and next years second rounder.

I am having a look at some guys supposedly later and they are not that bad. If anything I think it is pretty even between 10-26

 

[tigs2010]

No way Yarran was worth pick 19 and next years second rounder.

I am having a look at some guys supposedly later and they are not that bad. If anything I think it is pretty even between 10-26

We didn't pay that. We paid 31 and next years 2nd to get 19.

 

[tigs2010]

Really can't help himself can Quigley.

Beats taking every single mummy's boy.

 

[Agent13]

for those who are keen, give your top 5 that you'd take at our 1st pick based on those who could be there, i'll score it based on 5 pts for 1st pref down to 1 & add them together. be interesting to see which Player comes out on top.

as there are heaps of posters on here, quote this post for it to count otherwise i may get confused or whatever & that would skew the result, i'll post updated results as i go

Having spent the evening on Youtube I now feel I have a Greg Miller level of expertise so here we go.

Obviously I'd love Oliver to somehow still be available but that's apparently a pipedream so I'll leave him out. I also like Milera a lot but it does seem that he too is only a slim chance of being there so let's have a go at who is likely to be available. I'd go with the following:

Ah Chee 5
Collins 4
Clarke 3
Hibberd 2
Gresham 1

Incidentally, I notice the prospective academy picks are all being ignored but with this new system I suspect there maybe some shenanigans. Are we any chance at all of getting Keays? I'd choose him before the 5 above, looks like a gun to me.

 

[GoTigers2015]

5. Burton
4. Collins
3. Ah Chee
2. Matheison
1. Gresham

 

[GoTigers2015]

Having spent the evening on Youtube I now feel I have a Greg Miller level of expertise so here we go.

Obviously I'd love Oliver to somehow still be available but that's apparently a pipedream so I'll leave him out. I also like Milera a lot but it does seem that he too is only a slim chance of being there so let's have a go at who is likely to be available. I'd go with the following:

Ah Chee 5
Collins 4
Clarke 3
Hibberd 2
Gresham 1

Incidentally, I notice the prospective academy picks are all being ignored but with this new system I suspect there maybe some shenanigans. Are we any chance at all of getting Keays? I'd choose him before the 5 above, looks like a gun to me.

No chances as Brisbane have banked enough points for Keays and Hipwood

 

[Mr Magic]

We didn't pay that. We paid 31 and next years 2nd to get 19.

Thats right, he would not be worth that either.


Eg. pick 19 has another 5-6 years on Yarran and some seem to be pretty handy.

I can see why the Bulldogs did what they did and why they did it

 

[Infamy]

Thats right, he would not be worth that either.


Eg. pick 19 has another 5-6 years on Yarran and some seem to be pretty handy.

Very high percentage that Pick 19 would not produce a player as good as Yarran and we'd take 4-5 years of development to find that out
Doesn't fit in our premiership timeframe

 

[Lsta062]

BUCKENARA’S PHANTOM DRAFT TOP 30

1. Carlton — Jacob Weitering

Defender, 195cm, 91kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Mt Eliza/The Peninsula School

Gary Buckenara says: This is a really important pick for the Blues and it will deliver a key-position defender in Weitering who can also play a forward role. He will predominantly be that key defender and should play senior footy in 2016. He’s a potential captain.

2. Brisbane Lions — Josh Schache

Forward, 199cm, 96kg, Murray Bushrangers/Seymour

Buckenara says: Schache will be a really good pick for Brisbane because he’s exactly what they need — he’s exactly what every club needs because this type of player is so hard to find. He’s a forward/ruckman with agility, reasonable pace and a reasonable leap to be able to go into the ruck when needed. He’s a beautiful kick on goal and hardly ever misses inside 50.

3. Melbourne — Darcy Parish

Midfielder, 181cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons/Winchelsea

Buckenara says: Melbourne could bid for Swans Academy midfielder Callum Mills but I think they’ll go straight for Darcy Parish instead. Parish to me is the quality midfielder of this year’s draft pool. He’s got good pace, can win his own footy, is a good decision-maker and kicks the ball very well. Even though Melbourne has a lot of midfielders already, he’s the type of player who has proven in the Under-18s he can play a defensive role behind the footy and be a smart set-up player or go into the midfield and play as a ball-winner with pace and outside run.

4. Sydney Swans — Callum Mills

Midfielder, 186cm, 80kg, Sydney Swans Academy/North Shore

Buckenara says: An in and under midfielder, Mills is a competitive animal who is super fit, dedicated, has an elite kick and is a potential captain material down the track. He’s a class act.

*I expect Essendon to bid for Swans Academy player Callum Mills and the Swans will match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 4.

5. Essendon — Aaron Francis

Forward/defender, 191cm, 92kg, West Adelaide/Woxton North

Buckenara says: Francis is a bit of a Josh Gibson type. He’s a tall defender who can come third man in because he reads the play really well but can also go forward and take a mark and kick a goal. Potentially, he could be a bigger-bodied midfielder, so he’s very adaptable in where he can play. There are question marks on his endurance, so I suspect he’ll play a defensive third-man role given the Bombers lost Jake Carlisle.

6. GWS Giants — Jacob Hopper

Midfielder, 187cm, 88kg, GWS Academy/North Ballarat

Buckenara says: Hopper is very similar to Mills but probably needs to work on his kicking a little bit. He’s a competitive in-and-under player who makes good decisions with the ball.

*I also expect the Bombers to bid for Jacob Hopper and the Giants will match it again by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 6.

7. Essendon — Charlie Curnow

Forward/midfielder, 191cm, 95kg, Geelong Falcons/Torquay

Buckenara says: For the size factor I think the Bombers should go with Curnow. He can be a power forward but because he’s so athletic he can also play as a big-bodied midfielder and win the ball a bit, just like Jarryd Roughead. He can actually also do what Roughead does and that’s go into the ruck, but he can also go in and not ruck but win clearances. To me, that fits a need at Essendon. When the key-position players are there, it’s very hard not to pick them instead of midfielders because it’s a bit easier to find them.

8. GWS Giants — Matthew Kennedy

Midfielder, 187cm, 88kg, GWS Academy/Collingullie

Buckenara says: A nice size, Kennedy can play as a high half-forward. He’s very clever, reads the play well, has a great pair of hands, makes good decisions and is a beautiful kick..

*I expect the Suns to bid for GWS Academy player Matthew Kennedy and the Giants will match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 8.

9. Gold Coast — Sam Weideman

Forward, 196cm, 94kg, Eastern Ranges/Vermont

Buckenara says: Sam has been injured but I liken him to a young Matthew Pavlich. He has very similar traits to Pavlich in that he competes really well, kick the ball well, he’s very athletic, is a nice size and is a potential key-position player. He does need to put a bit more of a body on and needs to get his injuries right, but he’d be a good fit. When the key-position players are there, clubs would be mad to bypass them.

10. Melbourne — Kieran Collins

Defender, 194cm, 100kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Langwarrin/Haileybury College

Buckenara says: Given that Melbourne gets Parish at pick 3, I’d go Collins here even though a lot of people have him going a bit further down the order. I still think he’s going to be a beauty as a key defender. He’s a Brian Lake type, he’s going to be a really big, strong man down back who is able to play on those strong forwards like Tom Hawkins. Sometimes it’s hard to find guys who are capable on playing on those big forwards, so when you’ve got a guy like Collins, who makes good decisions with the footy, is a good kick, reads the play quite well, he’d be an excellent pick and good fit for what Melbourne needs.

11. Carlton — Darcy Tucker

Half-back, 184cm, 80kg, North Ballarat/Horsham Saints

Buckenara says: Tucker is a beautiful left-foot kick, he has good endurance, reasonable pace, makes good decisions with the footy and adds a touch of class. He’s a bit of a ball carrier — he’s not afraid to take players on. He’s actually not too dissimilar to Kade Simpson and the Blues need another player like that. He’s also potential captain material going forward.

12. Adelaide — Wayne Milera

Half-forward, 185cm, 75kg, Central Districts/Ingle Farm

Buckenara says: A really clever player with good leg speed, makes good decisions with the footy and can play forward and midfield. He’s another type who can add class and polish to the Crows.

13. Carlton — Harry McKay

Forward, 200cm, 95kg, Gippsland Power/Warragul

Buckenara says: Given I’ve got them taking Tucker and most of the other key-position players are gone, a guy like McKay would be a nice addition. He’s only been playing footy for four or five years, he’s been more of a basketball guy so he came into the program late but really improved and gained a lot of confidence out of his performances in the Under-18 championships. He’s a tall, agile forward who can probably go into the ruck because he can jump. He does need to put a body on but he’s a perfect key-position size.

14. Richmond — Rhys Mathieson

Midfielder, 186cm, 82kg, Geelong Falcons/Bell Park

Buckenara says: Mathieson racks up the possessions, he’s a hardworking in-and-under player who makes good decisions with the footy. He’d be a really good pick-up for the Tigers to add some quality to their midfield depth.

15. Adelaide — Riley Bonner

Half-back, 191cm, 85kg, West Adelaide/Goodwood

Buckenara says: A tallish rebounding defender, Bonner is an Adelaide boy with a beautiful left-foot kick and provides a lot of drive off half-back because he loves to get the ball and run. His ball use is very good and similar to the way Grant Birchall distributes the ball. The go-home factor has probably hurt them a bit in the past so the fact he’s from Adelaide adds a bit of weight here.

16. Brisbane Lions — Eric Hipwood

Forward/defender, 199cm, 84kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Aspley

Buckenara says: Hipwood is interesting. He can play as a key defender or key forward but is still very raw so the Lions will need to be patient with him. He is a good size and when he puts on a body, he will be a big boy and a fantastic addition. He’s a thumping kick.

*I expect the Saints to bid for Brisbane Academy player Eric Hipwood and the Lions to match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 16.

17. St Kilda — Ben McKay

Forward/defender, 199cm, 95kg, Gippsland Power/Warragul

Buckenara says: The twin brother of Harry McKay, Ben does have similar attributes to his brother in his size and shape and he came into the system a bit later this year. At this stage, Ben probably plays a little bit harder than what Harry does and his form at the back end of the year was really good. He would fit well in the St Kilda playing model.

18. Hawthorn — Jade Gresham

Midfielder, 178cm, 77kg, Northern Knights/South Morang

Buckenara says: Given a few of the Hawks midfielders are getting older, Gresham would be a good addition. He was prolific in the TAC Cup and Under-18 championships, has good leg speed, good endurance and uses the ball well. He’s only small in stature but he does win his own ball and has the pace outside, not dissimilar to Billy Hartung who likes to take them on and break the lines. That type of player really goes well with Alastair Clarkson’s game plan.

19. Brisbane Lions — Ben Keays

Midfielder, 185cm, 83kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Redland

Buckenara says: A nice mover, Keays is a neat left-footed midfielder who can also play as a rebounding half-back flanker. He is agile and takes them on. He might be a bit too left-sided, so he’ll need to work on using his right foot as well to give him another string to his bow.

*I expect the Suns to bid for Brisbane Academy player Ben Keays and the Lions to match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 19.

20. Gold Coast — Harley Balic

Midfielder/half-forward, 187cm, 80kg, Sandringham Dragons/Parkdale

Buckenara says: A mobile midfielder who can play in a number of positions — half-forward, half-back but can go into the midfield — Balic is a competitor who wins his own footy and likes to take the game on. He has an adequate kick but I’d like to see that improve.

21. North Melbourne — Ryan Clarke

Midfielder, 185cm, 84kg, Eastern Ranges/Knox/Melbourne GS

Buckenara says: Clarke is the sort of player the Kangaroos really need — he has good leg speed, can take players on and is a good kick. With Ryan Bastinac leaving he can fill a void there on the outside but he’s also really competitive. He was probably the form player in the TAC Cup in the last half of the year.

22. Hawthorn — Callum Ah Chee

Half-forward, 182cm, 71kg, South Fremantle/Kelmscott

Buckenara says: A West Australian boy, on talent and class I think Ah Chee is one of the best players in the draft. He didn’t have the best of years or Under-18 carnival but that could be because WA didn’t have a good carnival itself. There is more to him than just being a half-forward flanker — he’s a clever playmaker when up the field so he can go into the midfield and he’s got some tricks. He can stand on heads and take a mark and he’s got the Cyril Rioli-style agility. He just needs to improve his tank because he’s been a player who can dominate for 10 minutes a quarter but then go missing.

23. Carlton — Tom Cole

Half-back, 185cm, 76kg, Sandhurst/Bendigo Pioneers

Buckenara says: A nice mover, Cole can play as rebounding defender, on the wing or as a high half-forward. He’s similar to Sam Docherty. He has pace, is a beautiful left-foot kick and makes good decisions with the ball. He’d be a good fit at the Blues.

24. Western Bulldogs — Clayton Oliver

Midfielder, 187cm, 86kg, Murray Bushrangers/Mooroopna

Buckenara says: There’s talk of Oliver going top 10 but when there are good key-position players early you just don’t pass on them and then I’ve got a number of other players in front of him and who are better fits for certain clubs. Oliver had a really good back end of the year where he really stood out, has a good strong body, is a competitive beast and wins a lot of the football. To me, halfway through the year he would have been a smoky pick but his performances in the second half have pushed him up the order.

25. Western Bulldogs — Jesse Glass-McCasker

Defender, 196cm, 95kg, Swan Districts

Buckenara says: I think Glass-McCasker has all the attributes. Similar to what I saw in Ben Stratton back in 2009, he can play on talls and smalls because he’s quick and reads the play very well. He’s a bit player-conscious at the moment but that’s because he’s just a kid. He’s a potential key-position defender.

26. Fremantle — Ryan Burton

Forward, 191cm, 90kg, North Adelaide/PHOS Camden

Buckenara says: The Dockers are crying out for a key forward and Burton is exactly that. Burton could go earlier because before his bad leg injury he was touted as a top-10 pick but I think the doubt sees him drift because that injury was a very serious one. He will need to be managed and patience is key as he gets some confidence back, but there is huge upside. He has good pace, a great pair of hands and is a beautiful kick.

27. West Coast — Josh Dunkley

Midfielder, 189cm, 86kg, Gippsland Power/Sale or James Parsons, midfielder, 189cm, 77kg, Eastern Ranges/Norwood

Buckenara says: If Dunkley doesn’t nominate as a father-son for Sydney, which reports suggest he won’t, he would be exactly the type of player Eagles coach Adam Simpson would be looking for. He’s a super competitor and can fill a role as a midfielder who wins the ball or as a lockdown hard-at-it defender who reads the play very well and will be third-man in all the time. He’s exactly the type of player that would suit West Coast’s style.

If Dunkley nominates as a father-son, James Parsons would be a good get as an elite runner who’s really quick, a good ball user and a reasonable decision-maker. On the big Subiaco ground, a guy like Parsons would fit very well.

28. Essendon — Daniel Rioli

Small forward, 179cm, 65kg, North Ballarat Rebels/St Marys

Buckenara says: The Bombers won’t let a Rioli slip this time. His combine testing was outstanding — his fitness has always been the query. He’s always been a bit of a later developer but his footy really took off and he showed some great signs this year. Essendon is crying out for that clever small forward and he’s just that.

29. Essendon — David Cunningham

Midfielder, 183cm, 85kg, Oakleigh Chargers/Boroondara Hawks/Melbourne GS

Buckenara says: Leg speed is an issue for Essendon so Cunningham can add something there. He’s a powerful athlete, very quick, carries the ball and is elusive. His leg speed can complement Travis Colyer’s game.

30. GWS Giants — Matthew Flynn

Ruckman, 200cm, 99kg, GWS Giants Academy/Narrandera

Buckenara says: The best ruckman in the draft. Initially he looked a bit overweight but he’s actually very mobile and gets around the ground well. He reads the play well, is a lovely kick and I’d liken him to how Todd Goldstein played at the same age.

*I expect the Kangaroos to nominate GWS Academy player Matthew Flynn and the Giants to match it by using a combination of draft picks that equal pick 30.

31. North Melbourne — Ben Crocker

Half-back, 185cm, 81kg, Oakleigh Chargers/Kew Comets

Buckenara says: The Kangaroos will go for best available who suits their needs and Crocker is that in that he has good leg speed, takes them on, carries the ball and has a good kick although it can be a bit inconsistent. But that might be a bit of a coaching thing in his decision-making, which could improve that element because he has a good technique.

32. Collingwood — Tom Doedee

Half-back, 187cm, 80kg, Geelong Falcons/St Joseph’s

Buckenara says: A very good reader of the play, Doedee is a bit like Andrew Mackie and also has a bit of Ben Stratton about him because he’s got the long arms and is agile so he can play tall and small. He’s got pace, agility and he reads the ball in flight very well so he can be a third-man up type.

33. North Melbourne — Oleg Markov

Midfielder/forward, 188cm, 73kg, North Adelaide/Gepps Cross

Buckenara says: Markov is one of my smokies for this draft but has big upside. His parents have an athletic background so Markov naturally is a good athlete and I thought he was outstanding in the Under-18 Championships for South Australia. He can jump, has good pace and the thing that got me is the improvement in his kicking from 2014 to 2015. He obviously worked really hard on it. He can play high half-forward or can go into the midfield.

34. Gold Coast — Tim Sullivan

Ruckman, 199cm, 90kg, Glenelg/Port MacDonell

Buckenara says: North Melbourne might also look at Sullivan because both teams need a ruckman. He’ll be a developer who they’ll need to put some time into and work on his kicking — it’s not bad but not great, either. He’s a nice athletic boy and this year was a learning year because it was the first time he was really exposed to a program. He’s not your typical 200cm plus ruckman — he has a great leap, is very mobile and can take a mark.

35. Western Bulldogs — Josh Schoenfeld

Midfielder, 187cm, 75kg, Peel Thunder/Rockingham

Buckenara says: An elite runner who tested very well at the combine, Schoenfeld broke the 3km time-trial record and has really improved his skills year on year and his ability to win his own footy — he was a bit outside in previous year. He has elite endurance, he’s a really hard runner and to have him on a wing or half-back flank, could be really damaging. In time he could be very similar to Isaac Smith.

BUCKY’S SMOKEYS

Clint Hinchcliffe — a midfielder from Perth who moves a bit like Sam Mitchell

Maris Olekalns — South Australian won the 20m sprint at the draft combine in 2.88 sec

Hisham Kerbaetieh — mid/forward from the Calder Cannons who booted 46 goals in the past two TAC Cup seasons

Looool, Buckenara can forget about Clayton Oliver dropping to pick 24. I don't even think he'll drop as low as our pick.

If he is available at our pick though, I think we should go for him to boost our midfield

 

[RememberRoyce]

Thats right, he would not be worth that either.


Eg. pick 19 has another 5-6 years on Yarran and some seem to be pretty handy.

I can see why the Bulldogs did what they did and why they did it

They all look good every year on their highlight reels before the draft. You name 5 in the 15-30 range and we'll see how many compare in 5 years well with Yarran's impact during that time. My feeling is you'll be lucky to nail one. Up for the challenge?

 

[Bojangles17]

No way Yarran was worth pick 19 and next years second rounder.

I am having a look at some guys supposedly later and they are not that bad. If anything I think it is pretty even between 10-26

the net cost was basically our r2 pick, at worst I wouldn't have blinked keeping 19, however Yarran being only 24yo and talent to burn has every chance to play his best footy which we know can make an impact at the level

 

[Bojangles17]

reading a couple of phantom drafts , they're saying that Oliver, AhChee and Mathieson will be avail at our pick as the KPP and academys will dominate top 10, which im inclined to believe , what an assortment
cant pick which way we ll go , inside mid that we were desperate for and ultimately backed a couple of roughies to bolster depth or the class smakll forward that we haven't had for yonks and would add real polish and danger up forward
My tip is we ll go Ah Chee, appears to have a good head on his shoulders too which certainly helps

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Interesting that Oliver can produce such a big difference in draft range from all the experts. I get it's not an exact science but going early as Essendon and late as 24 is a big difference. Seems there must be a degree of risk taking him early but potentially high reward.
Brett Anderson was saying yesterday on SEN that so many clubs are still undecided and weighing up their options unlike previous years. Players like Weideman sliding due to concerns on fitness/athleticism.

 

[Mr Magic]

Very high percentage that Pick 19 would not produce a player as good as Yarran and we'd take 4-5 years of development to find that out
Doesn't fit in our premiership timeframe

Wrong IMO, our premiership timeframe only starts in 3-4 years

 

[Mr Magic]

the net cost was basically our r2 pick, at worst I wouldn't have blinked keeping 19, however Yarran being only 24yo and talent to burn has every chance to play his best footy which we know can make an impact at the level

So are you saying pick 19 or the 2 second rounders would not have talent to burn?

I am just saying the picks later I think are not that bad. If anything its a weakish draft from within the top 10 but there are risks at 12 as well so I can see why Bulldogs did what they did for example.

For example Ah Chee may not be strong enough at AFL level and get enough ball, Colliins has queries on his pace and Burton seems a worse injury situation than Lever to worry about.

I am just thinking Collins with less pace may have a little less risk apart from other factors like meeting positional needs/RFC supporter etc..

Partington and Gresham did not look that bad for a little later. For example if Gresham was 178 that would not be a bad pick closer to the 20 mark I think but if he is actually 176 he might slip a little further

 

[Bojangles17]

So are you saying pick 19 or the 2 second rounders would not have talent to burn?

I am just saying the picks later I think are not that bad. If anything its a weakish draft from within the top 10 but there are risks at 12 as well so I can see why Bulldogs did what they did for example.

For example Ah Chee may not be strong enough at AFL level and get enough ball, Colliins has queries on his pace and Burton seems a worse injury situation than Burton to worry about

that's an unknown, on the balance of no 19s over the journey, not too many would have reached the heights that yarran already has, do some homeowrk

 

[Bojangles17]

ill help you out mr magic, in 30 years of the draft, these are the best No 19s

Barry Hall – St Kilda, 1995, 289 games

Brad Green (Melbourne, 1999, 254 games), David Mundy (Fremantle, 2003, 233 games), Isaac Smith (Hawthorn, 2010 draft, 111 games)

I think it was a safe bet using that pick on Yazza

 

[Mr Magic]

that's an unknown, on the balance of no 19s over the journey, not too many would have reached the heights that yarran already has, do some homeowrk

I have done my homework!!

What heights has Yarran reached with respect?? I am talking league heights not club/coach awards although they can have more meaning in better clubs which perform on the big stage.

I would be surprised if Gresham does not reach Yarrans current heights at least in a different position assuming he is 178cm for example

 

[Mr Magic]

ill help you out mr magic, in 30 years of the draft, these are the best No 19s

Barry Hall – St Kilda, 1995, 289 games

Brad Green (Melbourne, 1999, 254 games), David Mundy (Fremantle, 2003, 233 games), Isaac Smith (Hawthorn, 2010 draft, 111 games)

I think it was a safe bet using that pick on Yazza

Whats your point?? All those players where ahead of Yarran atm, got any others? Green might be arguable at times but when on he was very handy for them and solid enough over the journey.

BTW was Rance not pick 19?

 

[Bojangles17]

Whats your point?? All those players where ahead of Yarran atm, got any others? Green might be arguable at times but when on he was very handy for them and solid enough over the journey

my point is that in 30 years , if they are the best, then the balance of probability would have it , more likely a bum eventuates . Id back Yazza ahead of the other 26, fair point?