Who took Craig McRae Job?

[AmellyPies]

Wonder if Grace has a say in recruiting forwards seeing he is the forward coach? Reckon if that's your job then you need to own it from start to end.


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no.

 

[Brad Goodman]

We also can't rate our players performances because we don't know their KPI's or what role the coach gave them.

Nor can we rate other teams performances, nor can we rate commentators because we don't know what the producers have told them.

In fact we can't really have an opinion on anything

You're being flippant but that's basically true. We all like to post here, but in reality none of us actually have a clue what we're talking about.

 

[sirlothie]

You're being flippant but that's basically true. We all like to post here, but in reality none of us actually have a clue what we're talking about.

Speak for yourself

 

[TradeDraft]

That all maybe true but it certainly won't stop TG from labelling the appointments as disasters. I assume he/she/it is not alone in this trend of seeing black where ever the pies are involved. Is there an onus on the club to provide fans with more information that will help them in constructing an informed view?

According to TG everything Collingwood is a Disaster

 

[Hardas]

It was a million times better than 2014.

I must've told you a billion times not to exaggerate!
[I agree that the forward line looked much better than the previous year].

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Won a flag.

The game style won a flag. We created a lot of turnovers in our forward 50 due to the press which resulted in a significant amount of shots on goal.
Our conversion rate was not great then and has not improved over time.

 

[THATSGOLD]

According to TG everything Collingwood is a Disaster

You are only as good as your last ladder finish.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Wonder if Grace has a say in recruiting forwards seeing he is the forward coach? Reckon if that's your job then you need to own it from start to end.


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No, he wouldn't.

It isn't his job, it is Buckley's job. Grace's job (and the other assistants) is just to execute Buckley's plan for the team but watching and working with the players in the designated area.

The line groups are not separate units...

 

[76woodenspooners]

Anyone know what Jamie Cassidy-McNamara - Skill Acquisition Coordinator
does?
What does this mean?

As others have said, a biomechanics expert.

IIRC ...

Jamie's recruitment came as a result of 2014's end of season review (the season when we had all those soft tissue injuries). We let go our strength coach and club doctor, and replaced them with Jamie and Geelong's club doctor respectively.

We approached a sports science lecturer at one of the Universities (Deakin?) and that lecturer in turn recommended Jamie as one of his finest students, so we got him on board. His recruitment raised a few eyebrows at the time - Jamie is quite young (around 23?) - but the reports about him early last year were very positive.

In 2015 the club made a bit of a transition towards more game relevant strength and conditioning training - and I'd guess Jamie was a part of that.

 

[Jelly Bean]

As others have said, a biomechanics expert.

IIRC ...

Jamie's recruitment came as a result of 2014's end of season review (the season when we had all those soft tissue injuries). We let go our strength coach and club doctor, and replaced them with Jamie and Geelong's club doctor respectively.

We approached a sports science lecturer at one of the Universities (Deakin?) and that lecturer in turn recommended Jamie as one of his finest students, so we got him on board. His recruitment raised a few eyebrows at the time - Jamie is quite young (around 23?) - but the reports about him early last year were very positive.

In 2015 the club made a bit of a transition towards more game relevant strength and conditioning training - and I'd guess Jamie was a part of that.

I don't think that is quite right 76... Jamie is doing skill acquisition and using biomechanics as the basis for that. He isn't (as far a I understand) doing things with a strength and conditioning focus.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I don't think that is quite right 76... Jamie is doing skill acquisition and using biomechanics as the basis for that. He isn't (as far a I understand) doing things with a strength and conditioning focus.

Yes, that sounds about right.

But IIRC from the articles written about it, those things are related?

Dunno - maybe players are spending time with Jamie working on their kicking action and developing their muscle memory - rather than doing leg curls in the gym. Both could be seen as strength and conditioning activities.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Yes, that sounds about right.

But IIRC from the articles written about it, those things are related?

Dunno - maybe players are spending time with Jamie working on their kicking action and developing their muscle memory - rather than doing leg curls in the gym. Both could be seen as strength and conditioning activities.

No, they are different. One is about muscle conditioning, the other is about skill acquisition (and as you say, muscle memory, etc). They would absolutely have different coaching focus on each.

 

[76woodenspooners]

No, they are different. One is about muscle conditioning, the other is about skill acquisition (and as you say, muscle memory, etc). They would absolutely have different coaching focus on each.

Again, I agree.

It seems that players have a fixed size quantum of training that they can be exposed to. I don't know if it's a limitation of the human body, or a limitation imposed indirectly by the AFLPA, or a limitation of hours in the day, or some other limitation ...

... But when a player is out kicking the footy, he's not in the gym doing leg curls (or vice versa). And we've heard of coaches complaining about not having enough access to players - implying that any time one coach spends with players is time another coach is not.

Strength development could be compartmentalised as being a specific, explicit program (probably with weights) designed to improve the strength of particular muscles. And conditioning development could be compartmentalised as being a specific, explicit program of doing aerobic activities such as treadmills / bicycles / etc.

Or a player could just spend that time out on the practice field running around kicking the footy. Does that mean that player will be as weak as water and have no aerobic capacity? No - for two reasons. Firstly, it's unlikely to be absolute one way or the other. Things might (for example) go from 60:40 to 40:60. Secondly, the act of running around the field and kicking the footy likely does contribute something toward improving fitness - 'fitness' being (physical) strength and (aerobic) conditioning.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Again, I agree.

It seems that players have a fixed size quantum of training that they can be exposed to. I don't know if it's a limitation of the human body, or a limitation imposed indirectly by the AFLPA, or a limitation of hours in the day, or some other limitation ...

... But when a player is out kicking the footy, he's not in the gym doing leg curls (or vice versa). And we've heard of coaches complaining about not having enough access to players - implying that any time one coach spends with players is time another coach is not.

Strength development could be compartmentalised as being a specific, explicit program (probably with weights) designed to improve the strength of particular muscles. And conditioning development could be compartmentalised as being a specific, explicit program of doing aerobic activities such as treadmills / bicycles / etc.

Or a player could just spend that time out on the practice field running around kicking the footy. Does that mean that player will be as weak as water and have no aerobic capacity? No - for two reasons. Firstly, it's unlikely to be absolute one way or the other. Things might (for example) go from 60:40 to 40:60. Secondly, the act of running around the field and kicking the footy likely does contribute something toward improving fitness - 'fitness' being (physical) strength and (aerobic) conditioning.

I think the focus of the skill acquisition part would not be during moments of aerobic duress, e.g. the effort will be more focussed on micro-movements and technique, which when being worked on will have very limited effect on aerobic performance.

So I don't think it is accurate to say that the skill acquisition component might involve enough hard running to say that two birds could be killed with the one stone, and vice versa, I don't think the skill acquisition component would feature prominently enough in conditioning training (even though it involves execution of skills) to say that either.

So I actually feel we are saying quite opposite things - I feel you are saying you can work on one and the other at the same time and have a good effect, whereas I am saying that each needs its own exclusive focus and there is not much cross over. And that Jamie will be focused on the skill acquisition 'chunk' of training and not at the conditioning training.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I think the focus of the skill acquisition part would not be during moments of aerobic duress, e.g. the effort will be more focussed on micro-movements and technique, which when being worked on will have very limited effect on aerobic performance.

On the contrary ... media reports seem to indicate that this stuff is done during moments aerobic duress - hence the heat and altitude training combined with the footballs coming out very early this off-season.

So I actually feel we are saying quite opposite things -

Agree

I feel you are saying you can work on one and the other at the same time and have a good effect, whereas I am saying that each needs its own exclusive focus and there is not much cross over.

What you're advocating seems to be how we did things up until the end of 2014 - hence us having a strength coach back then (Matty Girvan IIRC?). As a result of the club's review into chronic soft tissue injuries, we let Girvan go, and replaced him with a biomechanics expert.

I'm not arguing the merits of one way or the other (I've got no idea about this stuff).

I'm only regurgitating my recollection of media reports / coaches comments / members' forum presentations on the topic.

 

[Jelly Bean]

On the contrary ... media reports seem to indicate that this stuff is done during moments aerobic duress - hence the heat and altitude training combined with the footballs coming out very early this off-season.



Agree



What you're advocating seems to be how we did things up until the end of 2014 - hence us having a strength coach back then (Matty Girvan IIRC?). As a result of the club's review into chronic soft tissue injuries, we let Girvan go, and replaced him with a biomechanics expert.

I'm not arguing the merits of one way or the other (I've got no idea about this stuff).

I'm only regurgitating my recollection of media reports / coaches comments / members' forum presentations on the topic.

I think I can see some of the confusion.

We do do skills work during aerobic duress - absolutely - and that is important to get our players using their skills while fatigued as you said.

But the skill acquisition work that Jamie will be leading (e.g. from a biomechanics point of view) will be separate to that, e.g. he will correct player techniques and biomechanics separately and in a contained way, and then the players will execute those changes on the track (and under duress).

I guess what I am saying (and knowing a bit about S+C training and biomechanics) is that Jamie won't be responsible for player conditioning at all. The club may have moved on the strength coach, and brough on Jamie, but their roles are very different, and not to be seen as a replacement for one another.