Training 2015/16 preseason training (discussion)

[Fred Ziffel]

Um..Err, are you um, being um, serious?

Yep, he said so on TV.

 

[scon]

At least he has committed to a haircut and shave.

Prepping for the proper job.

 

[AAACockburn]

Yep, he said so on TV.

Is that what he said?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Is that what he said?

Yes. He said if he had known what was going to happen he would have had a haircut and shave.

 

[gaskin]

What has to happen for Hurley to play a game this year? Does he have to be elevated off a rookie list?

He needs to be elevated but I can't see it happening for at least another 1-2 years. Granted, I've never seen him play but from what I have seen at training his positioning and reading the flight of the ball need a lot of work.

 

[Sully90]

I'm liking all the talk of repeated pushups after mistakes. Our coach made us do that when our skills reached a real low point mid season, it took a couple of weeks to kick in but we couldn't miss a thing after that.

 

[bgreenie88]

Do they still train on a saturday?

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Jedi will be mad at me but I still think Weller a bit overrated.

I used to like you

 

[Sweetback]

He needs to be elevated but I can't see it happening for at least another 1-2 years. Granted, I've never seen him play but from what I have seen at training his positioning and reading the flight of the ball need a lot of work.

If he's been playing Gaelic football then surely his main hurdle would be getting his head around the mechanics of the oval ball. The training reports make it sound like he's got the kicking figured out. If they play him forward in the WAFL and he starts kicking a couple of goals a game, then I think they'll look at him.

 

[sherrif]

If he's been playing Gaelic football then surely his main hurdle would be getting his head around the mechanics of the oval ball. The training reports make it sound like he's got the kicking figured out. If they play him forward in the WAFL and he starts kicking a couple of goals a game, then I think they'll look at him.

He is already one of the better kicks on the list over 192cm. The mechanics is his kicking action are superb. Id agree when he trains as a forward he still has some work to do in terms of timing on the lead and learning how to play the game. However, watching him train as a defender with the role that he simply stays on his man and then sprints off to receive the ball when we gain possession, while in that role I think he looks fantastic. In my opinion the Irish players who have made it all struggled with the shape of the ball to begin with, but once they got that their games came on in leaps and bounds very, very quickly. To me Hurley is much closer to making his debut that most on here are saying. On Friday he looked significantly more advanced manning Pav, then a player a year or two off making his debut that is for sure.

 

[Sweetback]

He is already one of the better kicks on the list over 192cm. The mechanics is his kicking action are superb. Id agree when he trains as a forward he still has some work to do in terms of timing on the lead and learning how to play the game. However, watching him train as a defender with the role that he simply stays on his man and then sprints off to receive the ball when we gain possession, while in that role I think he looks fantastic. In my opinion the Irish players who have made it all struggled with the shape of the ball to begin with, but once they got that their games came on in leaps and bounds very, very quickly. To me Hurley is much closer to making his debut that most on here are saying. On Friday he looked significantly more advanced manning Pav, then a player a year or two off making his debut that is for sure.

Fitness wise, so being able to run out a game, do you think he's more likely to do so than Mora?

Touhy at Carlton only really played a year in the VFL before being elevated and dominating. It would be great if Hurley presented the same. I'd thought from the training reports that Hurley was being groomed for a forward position but back is obviously fine too as it will mean we could swing him and A Pearce forward.

 

[Taylor]

Tall back is the easiest position to find "tagging" type players for, elite athletes need only chase and spoil, chase and spoil.

 

[sherrif]

Fitness wise, so being able to run out a game, do you think he's more likely to do so than Mora?

Touhy at Carlton only really played a year in the VFL before being elevated and dominating. It would be great if Hurley presented the same. I'd thought from the training reports that Hurley was being groomed for a forward position but back is obviously fine too as it will mean we could swing him and A Pearce forward.

Im pretty sure Hanley made a pretty quick transition too. All I can say is that IMO Hurley looks to be massively improved compared to a year ago. 'Massively improved' is a gigantic understatement. I would be stunned if he didn't play for Feo before too long. In the last three training sessions he has played on a player as quick as Langdon. as tall as Tabs and as strong as Pav and dominated in the role of shutdown defender. Ill put my name to the view that he is significantly more advanced than some training watchers are giving him credit for. Ill also come on here and say that I was wrong if he doesn't debut and play some games for the club before being delisted.

BTW in the training Ive watched he seems to win significantly more of the one on ones than he loses. That is not the case with Smith or Silvagni.

 

[Sweetback]

Im pretty sure Hanley made a pretty quick transition too. All I can say is that IMO Hurley looks to be massively improved compared to a year ago. 'Massively improved' is a gigantic understatement. I would be stunned if he didn't play for Feo before too long. In the last three training sessions he has played on a player as quick as Langdon. as tall as Tabs and as strong as Pav and dominated in the role of shutdown defender. Ill put my name to the view that he is significantly more advanced than some training watchers are giving him credit for. Ill also come on here and say that I was wrong if he doesn't debut for the club before being delisted.

BTW in the training Ive watched he seems to win significantly more of the one on ones than he loses. That is not the case with Smith or Silvagni.

Is he flying under the radar with the coaches, or does it look like they're seeing how good he is?

 

[meima]

I used to like you

Hehehe the dark side force are too strong to resist.

 

[meima]

Fitness wise, so being able to run out a game, do you think he's more likely to do so than Mora?

Touhy at Carlton only really played a year in the VFL before being elevated and dominating. It would be great if Hurley presented the same. I'd thought from the training reports that Hurley was being groomed for a forward position but back is obviously fine too as it will mean we could swing him and A Pearce forward.

Is hard to seperate between Hurley and Mora both offer different style of play. But Mora should get the vacant spot if needed due to his injury, it is now or never. He will be a bit sore like m.barlow come back, but once he get through that barrier he will be fine. As for Hurley consistent playing with the thunder will benefit him more with the likes of Collins ,blakely ,grey therefore maybe mid season elevate will be much better for him.

 

[Sweetback]

Is hard to seperate between Hurley and Mora both offer different style of play. But Mora should get the vacant spot if needed due to his injury, it is now or never. He will be a bit sore like m.barlow come back, but once he get through that barrier he will be fine. As for Hurley consistent playing with the thunder will benefit him more with the likes of Collins ,blakely ,grey therefore maybe mid season elevate will be much better for him.

I just remember the last time Mora came back, he struggled to run out two quarters. He's still building on his fitness base and with the no sub rule this year, he will need to be able to run out games. It'll be interesting to see what happens. If Hurley continues to improve, then Ross might want to see how they both run out a game in the WAFL (or even a preseason game) and make a decision from there.

 

[meima]

I just remember the last time Mora came back, he struggled to run out two quarters. He's still building on his fitness base and with the no sub rule this year, he will need to be able to run out games. It'll be interesting to see what happens. If Hurley continues to improve, then Ross might want to see how they both run out a game in the WAFL (or even a preseason game) and make a decision from there.

This is only my point of view, there won't be much changes in our best 22 in the first half of the season, apart from a few game here and there for ( Langdon , blakely , grey ,Weller and Collins - depend on a.Pearce fitness). In addition focus will be on freo and thunder alliance (third year) hence more player balance in peel side as compare to last two year which most in this board mention too many tall are playing.

 

[theGav56]

This is only my point of view, there won't be much changes in our best 22 in the first half of the season, apart from a few game here and there for ( Langdon , blakely , grey ,Weller and Collins - depend on a.Pearce fitness). In addition focus will be on freo and thunder alliance (third year) hence more player balance in peel side as compare to last two year which most in this board mention too many tall are playing.

For starters Bennell will come in plus whoever replaces Macpharlin in the backline. That is already fairly significant.

 

[sherrif]

Is he flying under the radar with the coaches, or does it look like they're seeing how good he is?

Not with the coaches. I think most of them would be surprised at his development though. His ability to keep with Pav in the air (after Pav was dominating the session) on Friday was really telling. His speed matched up on Langdon in a drill on Wednesday also made me stop and think 'Geez we have something awesome developing here". He has only been training with the main group for a little while and I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think we something genuinely special developing in Hurley.

 

[aussieviking]

Not with the coaches. I think most of them would be surprised at his development though. His ability to keep with Pav in the air (after Pav was dominating the session) on Friday was really telling. His speed matched up on Langdon in a drill on Wednesday also made me stop and think 'Geez we have something awesome developing here". He has only been training with the main group for a little while and I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think we something genuinely special developing in Hurley.

You're getting me excited

 

[theGav56]

He sounds like an option for fast tracking if an opportunity arises. It would not be the worst thing in the world to see if he has another gear at the next level as happened with A Pearce last season.

 

[rodney hoo]

Not with the coaches. I think most of them would be surprised at his development though. His ability to keep with Pav in the air (after Pav was dominating the session) on Friday was really telling. His speed matched up on Langdon in a drill on Wednesday also made me stop and think 'Geez we have something awesome developing here". He has only been training with the main group for a little while and I don't want to get ahead of myself but I think we something genuinely special developing in Hurley.

I agree wholeheartedly, I thought this at end of last season and another point I'd make and made before is he's tough and likes the physical stuff. Could be the pav replacement.

 

[scon]

Could be the pav replacement.

Offer a 15yr contract extension plus:
1A Ashleigh Grove, Maynooth, Co. Kildare

You know it makes sense!!

 

[westy1]

I think it's how you retain and develop yoof that's the issue meima ,not how high their raw talent rating is.
Intelligent and hard nosed development is key.
We've improved at this markedly over the journey,and for all the hackneyed characterisation of RTB as some blind pragmatist I believe if he's not fishing he's mending his nets.

great saying there scon"if he's not fishing he's mending nets"
as an old (ex)fisherman myself i love it
thats going in my library of sayings to qoute
apologies in advance for my plagarism