Training 2015/16 preseason training (discussion)

[DannyTheDoorman]

I agree, we should elevate my buddy Uber.

Not ahead of Morabito.ha ha

 

[Fred Ziffel]

That's a $3m road train with respect for pedestrians right there


This is what will determine Mora's elevation to the main list and Rnd 1 debut more than anything I reckon.I also reckon his name is penciled in already.

There is as much chance that the club's decision to run with one player short on the main list is to do with salary cap pressure, as any other factor.
I suspect it is all about the cap myself and therefore elevating a player from the rookie list so early would be defeating the purpose.
For that reason, I am tipping mid year elevation which would serve two aims.

 

[bgreenie88]

isn't there a mid season one anyway? as in im pretty sure every team gets to upgrade one at mid season, does that mean we'd have an extra spot?

 

[go_the_dockers]

isn't there a mid season one anyway? as in im pretty sure every team gets to upgrade one at mid season, does that mean we'd have an extra spot?

Yeah we have one spot free at the moment, and will get 1 more mid year with out putting anyone on the long term injury list.

 

[george2]

I would be surprised if we upgraded anyone until the season starts. Probably not until they are in line for selection

 

[DeanS]

I would be surprised if we upgraded anyone until the season starts. Probably not until they are in line for selection

Agreed. No point upgrading anyone unless they are definitely top 22.

 

[couldhavebeen]

yup. 2 years out and hasn't shown that much to begin with.

As I have stated on this board previously Apeness is ahead of where the trainers thought he would be in his recovery and they are happy with his attitude and his endeavours .
Mike is in good spirits and very positive head space last time I spoke to him . Ill have another talk with him next time I go to training.
Don't write him off too soon . The Club has a very good record when it comes to players coming back from knee injuries . Apeness has Griffin and Mora to use for advise on recovery .

 

[One_Wing]

As I have stated on this board previously Apeness is ahead of where the trainers thought he would be in his recovery and they are happy with his attitude and his endeavours .
Mike is in good spirits and very positive head space last time I spoke to him . Ill have another talk with him next time I go to training.
Don't write him off too soon . The Club has a very good record when it comes to players coming back from knee injuries . Apeness has Griffin and Mora to use for advise on recovery .

I think Apeness is a fairly shy guy so his body language might not inspire confidence from afar but as long as the people close are happy then that is good to hear.

 

[DudleyDocker]

As I have stated on this board previously Apeness is ahead of where the trainers thought he would be in his recovery and they are happy with his attitude and his endeavours .
Mike is in good spirits and very positive head space last time I spoke to him . Ill have another talk with him next time I go to training.
Don't write him off too soon . The Club has a very good record when it comes to players coming back from knee injuries . Apeness has Griffin and Mora to use for advise on recovery .

Nice to hear something positive about the young guy for a change couldhavebeen. Seems some on here are prepared to write off a 20 year old tall forward who is coming back from a serious injury.

I look forward to seeing what he does when he finally gets back to full fitness - some of his big pack clunks early last year before he was injured were sensational.

 

[stax on the mull]

Apeness did an ACL before he was drafted, so if he's come back from a bigger injury than this, I imagine he understands the slow process.

What I remember reading or hearing said about him was that he was quietly spoken but quite an academically smart bloke.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

I would be surprised if we upgraded anyone until the season starts. Probably not until they are in line for selection

There is precedent as Micky Barlow was upgraded so he could play in Round 1 as he was taken in the Rookie draft in the previous November. He was so good in training and scratch matches etc that they elevated to be in the team in Round 1. Remember he had already tried out with St Kilda whilst Ross Lyon was coach and the Saints didn't think he was good enough to draft not even as a Rookie.

Of the Rookies 3 are going great IMO (Mora Ubergang and Hurley). Nyhuis is in recovery and Tanner Smith has shown some improvement. Mora IMO could be elevated before the season but my gut feel is that they will hold him back till they have confidence his body can stand up to the rigours of AFL. I think he will be elevated about Round 5 against Carlton at Domain on Sunday April 4 which should be the Anzac game (Mora certainly epitomises fighting spirit in his recovery journey) or Round 7 (Sat 7 May ) against GWS at Domain.

 

[stax on the mull]

There is precedent as Micky Barlow was upgraded so he could play in Round 1 as he was taken in the Rookie draft in the previous November. He was soo good in training and scratch matches etc that they elevated to be in the team in Round 1. Remember he had already tried out with St Kilda whilst Ross Lyon was coach and the Saints didn't think he was good enough to draft not even as a Rookie.

We upgraded both Barlow and Silvagni to play in Round 1, so there must have been some circumstances related to that. It used to be at least partly dependent on how you structured your list with Main listed players and Veteran listed players, but that may or may not have been a reason we were able to do that in 2010.

Just remembered that Grover was injured for the first half of that season so that would have been one spot vacancy.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

We upgraded both Barlow and Silvagni to play in Round 1, so there must have been some circumstances related to that. It used to be at least partly dependent on how you structured your list with Main listed players and Veteran listed players, but that may or may not have been a reason we were able to do that in 2010.

There is the one spot that is vacant but who knows why in real terms why they haven't filled it. More than likely it could be a TPP issue. I do agree with what you have suggested that there must have been circumstances back then that may not prevail today.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

There is the one spot that is vacant but who knows why in real terms why they haven't filled it. More than likely it could be a TPP issue. I do agree with what you have suggested that there must have been circumstances back then that may not prevail today.

Michael Barlow was our nominated Rookie in 2010.
I think he was nominated as being available for selection for Fremantle because we didn't have the full quota of veteran listed players.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Michael Barlow was our nominated Rookie in 2010.
I think he was nominated as being available for selection for Fremantle because we didn't have the full quota of veteran listed players.

Fred Ziffel Thanks Fred but have the rules changed at all since then?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Fred Ziffel Thanks Fred but have the rules changed at all since then?

I am sure they have.
Many people also speak of a mid season rookie elevation being available. From memory that initiative was only a temporary trade off because of the concessions granted to the franchise clubs.
I believe the only way now is a LTI or if you have less than the full quota on the main list IE; Fremantle and Sydney with only 41 players on their main lists.

 

[Dockernut]

Any training reports from today peeps?

 

[theGav56]

I think Fred is closest to the pin regarding the rookie rules and history.

Would love Hurley to get an opportunity. My opportunity wish list is:
Bennell
Morabito
A Pearce
Hurley
Weller
Langdon
Collins

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Any training reports from today peeps?

Yes when you get round to writing and posting it. It was your turn wasn't it.☺

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I thought Lachie Weller looked excellent today in the sims with good speed and accurate kicking.

Some strange matchups late in the morning with Sam Collins on Zac Dawson, briefly, before Jack Hannath went on Zac.

Sam Collins beat Jack Hannath in three consecutive contests at the northern end. One was a one on one marking contest, the other was a ground ball where better agility won out and he ran off Jack very well and the other was better pace to mark in front of Jack.
I think we have got a good one in Sam Collins. He also negated Pav in one marking contest.
Sandi was used as the marking target in the goal square which could be an indicator of Ross' intentions throughout the year
Ross stopped a match sim several times, being unhappy with running patterns.

It appeared to me that the trainers are starting to increase Harley Bennell's loads.
The lap walking is still there but the jogging is now more up tempo.
Harley also did some kicking with a trainer: little kick, run to scoop up off the ground , little shimmy and weave and then a drilled kick to the trainer.

 

[wayToGo_]

Pretty sure Fred is right and it is a straightforward list number these days that determines whether you can upgrade rookies or not. I think elevating a category A or category B rookie can only be done if there is a free spot on the senior list. So either if you are short at start of season, or a player retires or gets a LTI during the season.

There was also used to be a two veteran quota or something whereby if you hadn't nominated two you could also upgrade a rookie but pretty sure this doesn't exist any more. We have quite a few veterans anyway - Pav, Sandi, Mundy, Johnson...

Over a season it wouldn't be unusual to be able to elevate more than one rookie. We have one free spot on our senior list atm. Most teams would get at least one or two LTIs each year (unfortunate but a reality of the game). So you could predict we'd be able to upgrade 2-3 rookies at some point during the year. Mora, Ueber, Hurley perhaps?

 

[tofushark]

"It's also true that the clubs that can afford it can upgrade a rookie this week or next without having to move another player onto the long term injury list, as the mid-season elevation they are entitled to."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/is-it-time-to-ditch-the-afl-rookie-list-20150618-ghrjh3.html

 

[scon]

Cheers Mr Ziffel sounds to me as though everything is tracking as well as can be expected.Which is very well. A shrinking rehab group and no-one too badly impeded or with prolonged post-surgery recovery.
Add to that what appears to be another successful drafting/trading period in conjunction with a refreshed and invigorated coaching team and I'd say things are very positive heading toward the NAB which will inform us all a little more.Only concern I've got is Zaarke at the minute.
No relapses,hiccups or injuries and we trend toward RTB's "ideal" of 'fit and available'.I can't see the reasoning behind our predicted slide other than Elvis' departure which I reckon we'll cover adequately and Pav's extra year in the body,which his extreme professionalism, preparation and the fitness team's support will minimise the visible affects of.
Conversely we've got arguably the trade of the decade,the potentially immense advantage of a fit Morra,extra running power and experience into some youngsters,likely extra coaching prowess/expertise,another off-season to adjust and rehearse the game plan and whatever else the brains trust come up with.
Course anything can happen but I'm looking forward to another strong season with some top wins.

EDIT:Forgot to mention that I reckon RTB is approaching the top of his game.
He's chased coaches with better lists and came excruciatingly close.Now he's starting to get a list with enough talent and flexibility to allow him to display the full range of his ability.

 

[Dockernut]

Yes when you get round to writing and posting it. It was your turn wasn't it.☺

When this shitty economy eventually swallows up my work, I'll be down there as often as possible.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

When this shitty economy eventually swallows up my work, I'll be down there as often as possible.

We can hang out together as dole bludging nuffies writing training reports