Warne calls S.Waugh "Most selfish" cricketer he's played with

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He was if you were batting with him that's for sure. He had more batsmen run out batting with him than any one else and he wasn't actually bad between wickets unlike someone like Graham Wood who was simply incompetent. He just was so single minded and put self preservation above his teammates welfare when batting, which in a way does make him a selfish cricketer.

Damian Martyn learnt the hard way for one.



27 run outs and 23 of those were his partner. Pretty remarkable numbers.
 

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How many were with other specialist bats, I wonder. If a run out is happening with a tail ender, you sacrifice the tail ender every time.

Of those 4, one will be his brother, while acting as runner.

EDIT: I just looked it up on Youtube, Mark Waugh was run out, but he wasn't acting as Steve's runner. I had forgotten that Steve was left stranded on 99*.
 
There was an easy 3 runs in that,and Waugh was 3/4 of the way there before Martyn sent him back. There would be better examples surely

I wasn't commenting on that specific example, but on the general fact that when it came down to SW or his partner, the partner was toast.
 
There was an easy 3 runs in that,and Waugh was 3/4 of the way there before Martyn sent him back. There would be better examples surely

Just watched it. They never crossed and Martyn grounded his bat before Waugh. Waugh was out! So why weren't the umpires onto that?
 

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They did cross. It was the third run, not the first.
They crossed. It's Martin that trots up to the other end and gets about half way and the bails come off.

No. Waugh is charging towards the keeper's end and Martyn is about a metre in front of the crease and stationary. As the camera zooms in Martyn turns and grounds his bat. While his bat is still grounded Waugh comes charging past. They did not cross! The fact that Martyn then starts trotting towards the bowler's end is irrelevent.
 
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He was if you were batting with him that's for sure. He had more batsmen run out batting with him than any one else and he wasn't actually bad between wickets unlike someone like Graham Wood who was simply incompetent. He just was so single minded and put self preservation above his teammates welfare when batting, which in a way does make him a selfish cricketer.

Damian Martyn learnt the hard way for one.


Waugh just t keept coming. Martin came than stopped was 3 there
 
Was running to the danger end too
I'm a Steve Waugh fan but i'm happy to accept criticism of him. You are right he was running to the danger end. They would have said "3 runs" when they took off on the first. Martyn might have been trying to save Waugh from being run out but Waugh was already coming.
 
Even Chappelli who apparently criticises Waugh a lot basically said Martyn was at fault. They would have known who was fielding it had a weak arm too,next video please.I know of one where Waugh could be accused of cheating but i gave him a free pass on that :D
 
That video is Lulzy; Waugh was both a prick, and completely in the right.

There was an easy 3 there and he was running to the danger end - Martos bottled it.

And I love Warney, but he's a massive dickhead.

Still love him.
Likewise, no cricketer has given me more pleasure than him. Our Bradman, we were lucky to see him play.
 
38.3 Which batsman is out?
The batsman out in the circumstances of 1 above is the one whose ground is at the end where the wicket is put down. See Laws 2.8 (Transgression of the Laws by a batsman who has a runner) and 29.2 (Which is a batsman’s ground).

29.2 Which is a batsman’s ground?
(a) If only one batsman is within a ground
(i) it is his ground
(ii) it remains his ground even if he is later joined there by the other batsman.

(b) If both batsmen are in the same ground and one of them subsequently leaves it, (a)(i) above applies.

Waugh was out. The umpires missed it.
 
No. Waugh is charging towards the keeper's end and Martyn is about a metre in front of the crease and stationary. As the camera zooms in Martyn turns and grounds his bat. While his bat is still grounded Waugh comes charging past. They did not cross! The fact that Martyn then starts trotting towards the bowler's end is irrelevent.

But he starts trotting towards the bowlers end before the bails are off. Steve Waugh would have been out if Martin stayed in his cease ? Do you have to cross outside your crease ?
 
But he starts trotting towards the bowlers end before the bails are off. Steve Waugh would have been out if Martin stayed in his cease ? Do you have to cross outside your crease ?

Check my previous post where I quote the relevant laws. What matters is that Martyn grounded first and therefore is said to own that ground. Waugh therefore is the owner of the other crease. As that other crease was the one broken, then Waugh is out.

I can think of two similar examples: Elliott and Hayden, and Katich and Watson. In both of those cases, the correct decision was made. Here it was not.
 
There was an easy 3 runs in that,and Waugh was 3/4 of the way there before Martyn sent him back. There would be better examples surely
Nuh.

Watch it again. Waugh had barely left the non strikers end when Martyn shouted no and actually held his hand up telling him to stop but Waugh just kept powering on regardless. It was Marto's call and Waugh completely ignored it in his single minded mission to get himself to safety.

Maybe there was 3 in it but it was a test and better to err on the side of caution in that situation but once Steve Waugh committed himself then it was only Steve Waugh's welfare that mattered. Clearly.
 
Check my previous post where I quote the relevant laws. What matters is that Martyn grounded first and therefore is said to own that ground. Waugh therefore is the owner of the other crease. As that other crease was the one broken, then Waugh is out.

I can think of two similar examples: Elliott and Hayden, and Katich and Watson. In both of those cases, the correct decision was made. Here it was not.

Do be honest I couldn't really understand it but you obviously know your stuff.
So if Martin had made his ground up the other end 3 runs have been scored? But because Martin left the crease while Waugh was also in the crease Martin can only be run out at the end he just left.
So if they threw to the wickies end Martin would have been out.
If they threw to the wickie when they were both in the crease Waugh would have been out.

Does that mean if Martin had made it up to the other end he would have been at the wrong end and they should swap back with 2 runs scored ? Yes or no would be fine as I feel I may be wasting your time ?

Interesting all the same .

May have confused myself there? If they are both up the wickies end and the bails are off that end no one is out ?
 
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