FTA-TV Game of Thrones Season 6 - non book readers *no spoilers until show airs*

[peternorth]

lol!!! you're great!

 

[Brutalitops]

What's the likelihood that the Three Eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest very well knew their destiny and that they were going to have to die/sacrifice themselves to save Bran??

A couple of episodes back Meera was moping outside the cave door when one of the Children (Leaf?) told her to basically hang in there because Bran will need her when he leaves there.

Also, without remembering exact dialogue TRE made a few comments along the way indicating that his time might be done and that is why Bran was being trained. Considering he has the power to see the past and the future I think he knew what was coming.

Very likely. During the past scene you can hear Meera yelling for Bran to warg into Hodor after a few seconds 3ER says "listen to your friend bran" and with a very knowing face looks over to Wyllis.

 

[DapperDon]

You already admitted it was about death. Bit late to spin out of it.

**** sake man, every post you make in this thread is complaining about the show or complaining about people posting about the show.

It's really ****ing annoying.

 

[bourbons]

Geez Bran really ****ed that up didn't he. Bran and Meera should really be dead as disco, they could barely get Bran to the tree wizard when they had Hodor and Jojen, and winter would have worsened since then - but I assume at least Bran makes it through to the end game so will be interesting to see how they get saved.

Hodor.. . Amazing by GRRM to have that laid out ahead of time.

Sansa was boss that ep, used to be my most hated character now one of my faves.

People with unique powers, dragons, green people, etc are natural features in this show's world. Timeloops are a whole different 'science' and bring the entire show's universe into question. Bran actually changing something about the past would've made more sense than the circular Hodor and Bran were always destined to do this/chicken or egg? version they went with.

GRRM is that you?? If so hurry the **** up

But seriously who are you to say what is a 'natural feature' of the show's world? No-one knows what the plan is except the author, and seeing as it looks like he had this planned out for 20 odd years it most definitely is part of the show's lore. Also strongly disagree that Bran changing something in the past would've made more sense - every time a story goes that route and introduces alternate timelines etc, it gets messy. Every time. The only way time travel stuff kinda works at all (for me anyway) is the 'whatever happened, happened' approach.

To offer the fleet themselves.

What would the Ironborn get out of it though? Can't see Theon marrying Dany lol. Maybe offer the ships in exchange for a choice slice of Westeros once she conquers it? Yeah guess I could see that.

Those other things have an evolutionary grounding in the mythos. Willis turning into Hodor before Bran travels back is a logical fallacy. It means time is circular and my biggest issue with it is its as crappy a plot device as it was all a dream.

Disagree, doesn't mean that at all. And Willas didn't turn into Hodor before Bran travels back, he turns into Hodor precisely because Bran travels back. All it means is that early in Willas' linear life, he got a glimpse/sense/whatever of the future and his own death, and it kinda broke him. You could argue fate vs free will but I don't see the circular nature of it.

Linear would be Willis lives his normal life, Bran travels back in time and changes the past and then Willis turns into Hodor in the present or it splits off a different timeline. Bran needs Hodor to get to the tree > creates Hodor because he's at the tree. If Bran executed it like it appeared we either aren't witnessing the original timeline like the Matrix or a circular Paradox.

Maybe its just me, but that sounds a hell of a lot messier than what they went with. If the general thought is time loops don't belong in this show then I'd say alternate time lines etc. really, really don't belong in this show.

Boy isn't that an understatement. Reckon they would have changed their minds if someone sneezed.

 

[stemline]

So... Bran is probably Jon Snow's real father?

 

[akkaps]

What's the likelihood that the Three Eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest very well knew their destiny and that they were going to have to die/sacrifice themselves to save Bran??

A couple of episodes back Meera was moping outside the cave door when one of the Children (Leaf?) told her to basically hang in there because Bran will need her when he leaves there.

Also, without remembering exact dialogue TRE made a few comments along the way indicating that his time might be done and that is why Bran was being trained. Considering he has the power to see the past and the future I think he knew what was coming.

Also, if you agree with the L + R = J + M theory, it would mean the Meera would have to get out of the cave and meet Jon at some point.

 

[Biggie]

So... Bran is probably Jon Snow's real father?

 

[Brutalitops]

 

[Gasometer]

**** sake man, every post you make in this thread is complaining about the show or complaining about people posting about the show.

It's really ******* annoying.

Applause.

 

[Mister Carlton]

How are they going to kill Summer off like that? Get stuffed.

Then they kill of Hodor like that.

This is f#@!@#ked

Summer's death was brutal and probably unnecessary.

 

[Marklar_33]

Oh yeah Aryas story has been on a solid decline since she killed Trant. Just wrap it up and get her back to Westeros.

Since she left Sandor Clegane...

 

[MinerBoy]

Summer's death was brutal and probably unnecessary.

It's been shown since early in the very first season that Summer would protect Bran/attack enemies so it isn't unreasonable to think it would attack (and lose to a billion zombies) the way it did.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

The white walkers have been marching south for 5 years (and were close to the wall at the end of last season?)
10 mins after touching Bran in his visions and they rock up at his front door....

They havent just been been marching. They are trapped north of it.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

**** sake man, every post you make in this thread is complaining about the show or complaining about people posting about the show.

It's really ******* annoying.

Sometimes there's things worth complaining about.

 

[DapperDon]

Sometimes there's things worth complaining about.

Complaining about fantasy aspects in a fantasy tv show isn't one of them.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Disagree, doesn't mean that at all. And Willas didn't turn into Hodor before Bran travels back, he turns into Hodor precisely because Bran travels back. All it means is that early in Willas' linear life, he got a glimpse/sense/whatever of the future and his own death, and it kinda broke him. You could argue fate vs free will but I don't see the circular nature of it.

Maybe its just me, but that sounds a hell of a lot messier than what they went with. If the general thought is time loops don't belong in this show then I'd say alternate time lines etc. really, really don't belong in this show.

If time is linear how can Hodor have been created before Bran existed? This isn't me coming up with a theory, this is simply following the logical path that they have created. Without a catalyst it is simply saying because it is.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Complaining about fantasy aspects in a fantasy tv show isn't one of them.

It still has to function in the reality it's created. Imagine if the Red woman prayed to the Lord of Light and got a rocket launcher and 67 ford mustang. As awesome as that would be, it would be shitting on the entire lore.

 

[stewie griffen]

 

[stewie griffen]

 

[DapperDon]

It still has to function in the reality it's created. Imagine if the Red woman prayed to the Lord of Light and got a rocket launcher and 67 ford mustang. As awesome as that would be, it would be shitting on the entire lore.

As GRRM had this set up from day dot I'd say it's very much the reality of this world.

If Red Woman brings into play a bazooka and 67 Stang I'll complain with you.

Until then this is the world, and warg time travel is a part of it.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

"It's [genre]" isn't a good justification for something dumb happening.

Horror fans cling to that cop out all the time.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Until then this is the world, and warg time travel is a part of it.

Which I have no problem with. They still need to execute it in manner that makes sense.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

As GRRM had this set up from day dot

People keep saying this like it makes it ****ing genius somehow.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

How does this not make sense???

It makes perfect sense

What wouldnt make sense would be Hodor living a normal life, Bran warging him in the past, and in the present Hodor turning into his hodor self and holding the door.

That would be way too convenient.

The fact that the timeline doesnt change (i dont agree its circular, its linear with the ability to go back and alter things but that changes the linear timeline, which only exists if you go back yadada) means there can be no lets go back in time and change time, no back to the future bullshit, it's fundamentally more real and serious because the past cannot be changed

 

[Bomberboyokay]

How does this not make sense???

WE ****ING UNDERSTAND IT. Our issue is it removes agency from characters.