Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

[Funk]

I think it is S Watson

Does Boomer have the ability to teach our forwards?

Good question.

However GWS did something similar in their early days and if Boomer is capable of being an on field coach/director (because they sure as hell seem to have no idea at the moment!) then I am all for giving him a one year contract.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I took that as more about Murphy/ Gibbs than anyone else.

Not the strong, durable senior player part.

 

[chunkylover53]

Are we really?

Yes, he is made of glass.

 

[Keyza]

Did he? I don't remember him saying that.

The club has posted an article on website.
"We'd like Zach to stay, he's got a very healthy three year deal in front of him and like a bunch of players around the competition at the moment he's just weighing up his options, which is not unreasonable."
"We want him to stay at the footy club, he's been very durable and he's a very strong senior player."
Sounds like he is required to me.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-09-21/tuohy-offered-three-years

 

[Mezzoculo]

The club has posted an article on website.
"We'd like Zach to stay, he's got a very healthy three year deal in front of him and like a bunch of players around the competition at the moment he's just weighing up his options, which is not unreasonable."
"We want him to stay at the footy club, he's been very durable and he's a very strong senior player."
Sounds like he is required to me.

Or it could be interpreted that Zach has value to the club and he won't given up cheaply.

 

[Jatz]

They aren't going to come out and tell him to piss off, are they?

They have to come out and say that in case a trade doesn't eventuate.

 

[Dominator_7]

They aren't going to come out and tell him to piss off, are they?

They have to come out and say that in case a trade doesn't eventuate.

The idiots running the show at the time made that mistake with Jeffy G and Robbo, and consequently, we got nothing for them

 

[Jatz]

The idiots running the show at the time made that mistake with Jeffy G and Robbo, and consequently, we got nothing for them

At least this mob have got the right idea.

 

[therubbernub]

You could also argue that Yaz had every opportunity to cement himself as an AFL player and failed to ever really deliver on his talent. That's also a pretty big risk. Plus I don't believe that Richmond were completely ignorant to his off field issues and the potential for problems there. I suspect that's why they refused to hand over their first rounder.

24 for a potentially gun young KP feels light is all. Would love it to be so.

I was told by a board member at the tiges that they knew the risks. He said he could be a brilliant get for us. In which case he is worth a low pick or he could be a bust. Thats why they offered the pick they did, they felt it was a fair reflection of the risk/reward

 

[BluStreak]

Good question.

However GWS did something similar in their early days and if Boomer is capable of being an on field coach/director (because they sure as hell seem to have no idea at the moment!) then I am all for giving him a one year contract.

I have not seen anything from him that indicates that he would be able to teach.
I would rather we look at our coaching staff on this matter and look to boost that side of our team.

 

[PoultryinMotion]

See, I've not weighed in on this yet - I'm sure you've all been breathless in antici... - but something I think we haven't considered with regards to getting Harvey in is the fact that NM have a set of young small forwards that, frankly, are all on the cusp of being really good at their roles, in addition to the Thomas, who while stages a bit is still rather good at football.

This could be down to development, but what better means is there to develop a set of smalls - Sumner, for example, demonstrates all the characteristics of Harvey without the selfishness, and we're looking at perhaps picking up Pickett via trade - than to have him down at the club, to assist the smalls. On multiple occasions this year our side has been crying out for a small forward, someone to snap a goal from a congested situation, or for someone to win a one on one when the ball was on the ground. We simply have no easy avenues to goal, and while some of that can be attributed to our lack of quality talls, the ball often rebounds out of our defensive 50 faster than it entered, the backmen reading the ball faster than our smalls.

A quality small forward, for one year, could go a very long way to correcting this. Boomer finds the right spots in round one, crumbs an easy goal or two; the other smalls around ask him how, and it works. Come round 22, we don't need him in the squad anymore, because Sumner's crumbing the front of the pack and kicking those goals, and the rest of the footy world is wondering how someone seen as such a bust of a trade is looking so good.

I don't care about the guy, but I'm not sure where feelings come into list management discussions. If you could see a way to add his expertise without adding him as a player - and, let's face it, he doesn't want to retire yet - then I'd be all for that, but next year is year 2 of a rebuild. If we can get him cheaply, as is the suggestion, then a one year player/development role is an excellent idea.

Totally agree with this. Too many believe development is simply going to happen by drafting kids and waiting for them to mature. There needs to be scaffolding in place. I am all for keeping the early picks for the kids and trading talent in where needed- including a gun or two once we have reached the next level of development- but there needs to be experienced mentors around them. In the situation we are in there are only a handful of these and nearly all have been touted as trade bait on this forum. If we are to trade any out for early picks or mid tier types fine but grab a late pick bargain or two if possible to stabilise the "learning environment". Risk- reward. If it is a Harvey type it won't cost much financially although yes it could cost us a late diamond in the rough gamble late in the draft. As for the Sumner's coming on I'm sure if they are to go on and play 150 games for the club they will acknowledge the teachings of a Harvey (example only)No brainer really.

 

[Soapy V]

A few early seconds in this years draft could be very handy

the more i read the more i agree. 4-5 picks spread over top 30 could be very handy

 

[Blue__Balls]

The club has posted an article on website.
"We'd like Zach to stay, he's got a very healthy three year deal in front of him and like a bunch of players around the competition at the moment he's just weighing up his options, which is not unreasonable."
"We want him to stay at the footy club, he's been very durable and he's a very strong senior player."
Sounds like he is required to me.

Sounds more like politicking, to me.

Club thinks they can benefit if he goes. Offer him two years, he gets offers of four, up ours to three. We look like we're coming to the party, but we're really making it clear that we want him to strongly consider those other offers.

As Trigg himself said, he's durable and consistent - at his age there'd be no reason not to match a four-year deal if we really wanted to keep him. A two year offer, increased to three, on less coin than other clubs are putting up, is a subtle hint that we'd be hoping to replace him in the next couple of years anyway.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Mentioned that Touhy was a required player and had been offered a healthy 3 year deal by us, not 2 like a lot of people are saying.

Our offer could have been upped since then.

 

[therubbernub]

Totally agree with this. Too many believe development is simply going to happen by drafting kids and waiting for them to mature. There needs to be scaffolding in place. I am all for keeping the early picks for the kids and trading talent in where needed- including a gun or two once we have reached the next level of development- but there needs to be experienced mentors around them. In the situation we are in there are only a handful of these and nearly all have been touted as trade bait on this forum. If we are to trade any out for early picks or mid tier types fine but grab a late pick bargain or two if possible to stabilise the "learning environment". Risk- reward. If it is a Harvey type it won't cost much financially although yes it could cost us a late diamond in the rough gamble late in the draft. As for the Sumner's coming on I'm sure if they are to go on and play 150 games for the club they will acknowledge the teachings of a Harvey (example only)No brainer really.

Exactly what trigg just said on sen

 

[Aphrodite]

Did he? I don't remember him saying that.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-09-21/tuohy-offered-three-years

 

[Aphrodite]

Brent Harvey cleared out his locker today.

Just sayin

Care factor ZERO!

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I was told by a board member at the tiges that they knew the risks. He said he could be a brilliant get for us. In which case he is worth a low pick or he could be a bust. Thats why they offered the pick they did, they felt it was a fair reflection of the risk/reward

Can't argue with that, particularly given the way things turned out

 

[gandaal]

I hope he stays. Logic says take the end of first rounder but logic can go and get ******.

 

[Coops93]

Not quite the flop Jetta has been at WC and nowhere near the King of Flops, our own Daisy Thomas.

Didn't say he was the worst.

Just that he's been quite a large one.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Boomer could be fair as a coach, teach guys what it takes to get the best out of their bodies/elite preparation etc.

As a player he's pretty darn selfish imo, I prefer the veteran leadership of the selfless simmo.

 

[inyourcool]

When is this obsession over boomer going to end! aargh!!!

 

[perthblue]

When is this obsession over boomer going to end! aargh!!!

when he kicks the winning goal for us in the 2020 Grand Final

 

[Ray1950]

What would you think of us looking at Adelaide's restricted free agent Ricky Henderson as a running half back/wingman, he has good kicking skills as well as good distance.

Thoughts?

 

[Chookaradley]

What would you think of us looking at Adelaide's restricted free agent Ricky Henderson as a running half back/wingman, he has good kicking skills as well as good distance.

Thoughts?

Running half back/wingman is probably the one area of the ground we have sorted.