Traded Jaeger O'Meara [traded to Hawthorn for pick 10 and GWS's 2017 2nd rd pick]

[Unfinished]

Can't think of a less remarkable hawks player.

Can't see why any club would see him worth anything in a trade beyond possibly a low PSD pick.

Go ahead get yourself a DVD of the 2014 granny

 

[thurls64]

Go ahead get yourself a DVD of the 2014 granny

touche what a player, wonder how Hawks or someone else gets him back to his awesome best

 

[Unfinished]

touche what a player, wonder how Hawks or someone else gets him back to his awesome best

No denying his struggle for form over the past two seasons but what we saw in the 2014 Grand Final was breathtaking and if he can get back to that form we'll have a player on our hands

 

[Andronicus]

Go ahead get yourself a DVD of the 2014 granny

And a DVD of the 2002 Anzac day game will tell you Mark Mcgough is a superstar.

 

[The German Hunter]

And a DVD of the 2002 Anzac day game will tell you Mark Mcgough is a superstar.

He may have been, had the talent just far to lazy

 

[Unfinished]

And a DVD of the 2002 Anzac day game will tell you Mark Mcgough is a superstar.

A Grand Final is no run of the mill Anzac Day game.

 

[Andronicus]

He may have been, had the talent just far to lazy

That's kind of my point. History is full of players that have played games that make you think they will be great, but one game does not make you a star.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think Hawthorn are seriously over-rating players like Howe, Sicily, Whitecross and a whole bunch of others in the 19-25 range on their list who are the equivalent of a third round draft pick. Trying to find trade value on the Hawthorn list isn't an easy job because of all the older quality players they can't let go and lack of quality talent at the lower end. Burton is probably the best (only) bit of real talent Hawthorn have under the age of 23 with the exception of those who have never played a game.

If you don't know the Hawthorn list that well, that's fine, but continually crapping on about how there's no young talent on the list is just dumb.

 

[TheSierBear]

If you don't know the Hawthorn list that well, that's fine, but continually crapping on about how there's no young talent on the list is just dumb.

Hey Abasi, apologies if I've been a bit cranky with you in the past buddy. Personally I don't rate Hawthorn's youth much, it's probably not too dissimilar to Collingwood's youth 2004 circa.

Who do you rate as your top five kids 23 years and under. I'm genuine when I say that your youth is about on par with NM's, actually ahead but behind nearly all other clubs, that is coming from someone who doesn't watch Box Hill though, obviously.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

And a DVD of the 2002 Anzac day game will tell you Mark Mcgough is a superstar.

Im not going to get into a shitfight over Langford's ability, I agree with most that he has stagnated. But he wasn't just a one game wonder, his whole finals series was excellent in 2014. He kept Sewell out.

End of the day, nobody is going to pay what Hawthorn value him at, reports that the 3rd brother is the pick of the bunch only lessen his tradeability (is that a word?).

 

[Andronicus]

Im not going to get into a shitfight over Langford's abiliy

Except that by commenting, you literally did just that.

 

[daniel23]

Hey Abasi, apologies if I've been a bit cranky with you in the past buddy. Personally I don't rate Hawthorn's youth much, it's probably not too dissimilar to Collingwood's youth 2004 circa.

Who do you rate as your top five kids 23 years and under. I'm genuine when I say that your youth is about on par with NM's, actually ahead but behind nearly all other clubs, that is coming from someone who doesn't watch Box Hill though, obviously.

Pretty underwhelming at the moment which based on ladder position is probably fair enough . Club also thought O'Rourke would able to impact at a high level but hasn't come on just as yet. Right now I'd say Burton, sicily , brand, Howe, Lovell can all be good players.
It's obviously no Moore, crisp, Adams, treloar and Grundy.

But if it happens Jaeger, Mitchell, Sicily if he stays, Howe, Burton looks pretty comparable to a lot of teams

 

[halfback dasher]

Hey Abasi, apologies if I've been a bit cranky with you in the past buddy. Personally I don't rate Hawthorn's youth much, it's probably not too dissimilar to Collingwood's youth 2004 circa.

Who do you rate as your top five kids 23 years and under. I'm genuine when I say that your youth is about on par with NM's, actually ahead but behind nearly all other clubs, that is coming from someone who doesn't watch Box Hill though, obviously.

Think the fact this yrs pick is the highest we've had since 07 shows why our 23yr olds and under list is about were you would expect .
Out of interest MB who are your top 5 23 and unders ?

 

[TheSierBear]

Think the fact this yrs pick is the highest we've had since 07 shows why our 23yr olds and under list is about were you would expect .
Out of interest MB who are your top 5 23 and unders ?

Good question
Treloar
Grundy
Moore
Degoey
Aish

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Except that by commenting, you literally did just that.

I literally started fighting with shit did I? Literally?

 

[halfback dasher]

Good question
Treloar
Grundy
Moore
Degoey
Aish

They all first rdrs ?
In fact top 10's ?

 

[cdcanman]

No denying his struggle for form over the past two seasons but what we saw in the 2014 Grand Final was breathtaking and if he can get back to that form we'll have a player on our hands

The weight of evidence might suggest that his 2014 finals series was the anomaly, not his form prior and since

 

[Andronicus]

I literally started fighting with shit did I? Literally?

Now you are being deliberately obtuse. I can spell it out clearly for you, but I don't really think I need to, do I?

 

[Saint]

They all first rdrs ?
In fact top 10's ?

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

 

[Steven Tyler]

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

Of course we have the least talented youngsters, we've played off in the last 4 Grand Finals, and the year before that played in a Prelim
This years pick 14 will be the best pick we've had since we drafted Cyril

No denying it from me, but every club in the comp would take our position right now if it meant having our last 4 years (4 GF's, 3 flags)

We debuted 7 kids and won 17 games this year

Smart recruiting, which is something we do extraordinarily well, will see us continue to flourish

 

[The 747]

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

I'd much rather be in Hawthorn's position though, Collingwood's very talented list keeps finishing lower on ladder each year. It's smoke and mirrors.

 

[MC_9]

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

To be honest I probably agree with you. Hence why we are trying to get JOM and Mitchell.

But what a lot of people seem to ignore, is we still have a very good list of players in the 25-30 age bracket. So whilst those guys are still in the team, along with JOM & Mitchell we will still be competing for a top 4 spot.

The under 25 age bracket is a concern. But it is as expected due to where we have finished on the ladder over the last decade. Luckily for us in this new world of "destination clubs" its not as big of a concern as it would have been in the past, if quality players like JOM and Mitchell choose to play for us each year.

 

[halfback dasher]

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

You rate Degoey and Aish ?

 

[halfback dasher]

To be honest I probably agree with you. Hence why we are trying to get JOM and Mitchell.

But what a lot of people seem to ignore, is we still have a very good list of players in the 25-30 age bracket. So whilst those guys are still in the team, along with JOM & Mitchell we will still be competing for a top 4 spot.

The under 25 age bracket is a concern. But it is as expected due to where we have finished on the ladder over the last decade. Luckily for us in this new world of "destination clubs" its not as big of a concern as it would have been in the past, if quality players like JOM and Mitchell choose to play for us each year.

See here's the thing , we get two 23 and unders and say two 26 and unders and that effectively fills the void caused by continuous success.
That's why we WILL do what ever it takes to land JOM ,Mitchell and Vickery .
And I'll tell you this , we ARE trying for 1 or 2 more .
If we succeed and we are back running with the pack .

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

That's entirely the point. Hawthorn on one hand saying they've got great young talent, on the other hand saying they haven't had any decent picks so haven't got any decent talent.

Just looking at that Collingwood list, it's miles ahead of Hawthorn's young guys. Hawthorn people can delude themselves all they want, but there's a reason their selections were high draft picks. Howe, Sicily, Lovell and Brand have all been glimpsed and haven't been particularly impressive. Sicily's done a few good things, but has very clear deficiencies in his game. I agree they'll improve, but I can't see any of them being much better than B Grade at best. Burton is the only one who looks like he has genuine talent and high level potential.

Hawthorn people will probably disagree, but I think the majority view would be that Hawthorn have the least talented young players in the league.

Although, you could forgive them having poor young talent when it's due to them being the most successful club over the last five years. If I was a Hawthorn fan, I wouldn't be crying about a lack of young talent when my team has just won three cups.