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Not to mention there's no guarantee the current partnership between Foxtel/beIN would still be in place should they win the rights. If they bid that much, beIN would want to be separate from Foxtel I would have thought.

Why would they bid big money to help strengthen a competitor?
 
Zidane98 said:
Show me one example of quoting people claiming Bein is free.
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I never said you use them for "BeIN is free", but you do trump out the ol' "users on Facebook and Whirlpool" line a lot. There are also users on both with positive experiences, and a lot who complain don't want to be helped, as when they are offered help, they simply go quiet or vanish. They only make noise because their precious FOXTEL don't show the sokkah no more.
 

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Jatz said:
Not to mention there's no guarantee the current partnership between Foxtel/beIN would still be in place should they win the rights. If they bid that much, beIN would want to be separate from Foxtel I would have thought.

Why would they bid big money to help strengthen a competitor?
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If Bein win the rights it will no longer be included in Foxsports subscriptions I would imagine. It would likely require a separate $30 monthly subscription for which I'd pay if Bein has everything it's got now + PL.
 
Jatz said:
Not to mention there's no guarantee the current partnership between Foxtel/beIN would still be in place should they win the rights. If they bid that much, beIN would want to be separate from Foxtel I would have thought.

Why would they bid big money to help strengthen a competitor?
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There is no partnership between FOXTEL and beIN, it's a contractual agreement between a host and a provider, just like Fetch has, only Fetch signed theirs before the 3 channels were created.
 
Zidane98 said:
A free service requires no payment at all. You or someone is paying for an Optus service so it isn't free.

SBS telecasts of EPL are the only free way to watch PL.
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If the situation was flipped:

You have an existing Foxtel contract that you are paying $60 a month for. Foxtel offers you a mobile phone plan that is normally worth $50/month in addition to that Foxtel contract for no extra cost. Is that mobile phone free or not?
 
elhadjihenry said:
If the situation was flipped:

You have an existing Foxtel contract that you are paying $60 a month for. Foxtel offers you a mobile phone plan that is normally worth $50/month in addition to that Foxtel contract for no extra cost. Is that mobile phone free or not?
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Nope. Free is a pretty simple definition - it means no payment for any services at all.

Which is what SBS provides currently with one EPL match per week.
 
Zidane98 said:
Nope. Free is a pretty simple definition - it means no payment for any services at all.
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That's quite a glass half empty way to look at it, not surprising though seeing as you seem to hate Optus for some reason. Getting something for no extra cost in addition to an existing product can also be considered free.
Zidane98 said:
Which is what SBS provides currently with one EPL match per week.
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Which will disappear if/when Foxtel gets the rights back, do you want the PL to be free or not?
 
Fwoy said:
There is no partnership between FOXTEL and beIN, it's a contractual agreement between a host and a provider, just like Fetch has, only Fetch signed theirs before the 3 channels were created.
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So what part of the contract changed that no longer required extra payment to view the channels?
 
Zidane going down the "Poker isn't gambling" style of argument here.

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elhadjihenry said:
That's quite a glass half empty way to look at it, not surprising though seeing as you seem to hate Optus for some reason. Getting something for no extra cost in addition to an existing product can also be considered free.

Which will disappear if/when Foxtel gets the rights back, do you want the PL to be free or not?
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Who says it will disappear? Foxtel already broadcast one A League game per week on SBS. Could very well happen if they got PL rights back.

To me, the best result for football fans would be Bein because everything would be in one place, available on multiple broadcast platforms and available online for those who want to stream.
 

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Zidane98 said:
Who says it will disappear? Foxtel already broadcast one A League game per week on SBS. Could very well happen if they got PL rights back.

To me, the best result for football fans would be Bein because everything would be in one place, available on multiple broadcast platforms and available online for those who want to stream.
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You know perfectly well (and has been discussed on many occasions in this thread) that the only reason Optus gave SBS 1 game a week was to satisfy the need to have the coverage on a terrestrial television platform. Foxtel already satisfy that so there is no need for them to give SBS any rights. They never did it before why would they do it now?
 
Jatz said:
So what part of the contract changed that no longer required extra payment to view the channels?
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Yeah it comes down to the business model. FOXTEL charge $51 for Basic plus sports. Fetch charge $15 flat for entertainment. FOXTEL need to justify charging extra, by providing sports. The money saved by losing EPL was spent on acquiring the channels. Fetch just offer the sell thru option.
 
elhadjihenry said:
You know perfectly well (and has been discussed on many occasions in this thread) that the only reason Optus gave SBS 1 game a week was to satisfy the need to have the coverage on a terrestrial television platform. Foxtel already satisfy that so there is no need for them to give SBS any rights. They never did it before why would they do it now?
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FOXTEL is full of morals and virtue, that's why ;)
 
elhadjihenry said:
You know perfectly well (and has been discussed on many occasions in this thread) that the only reason Optus gave SBS 1 game a week was to satisfy the need to have the coverage on a terrestrial television platform. Foxtel already satisfy that so there is no need for them to give SBS any rights. They never did it before why would they do it now?
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They do it now with the A League so wouldn't be surprising if they did it with PL.
 
Zidane98 said:
They do it now with the A League so wouldn't be surprising if they did it with PL.
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That was already happening before Foxtel lost the PL and only started because of the deal the FFA was involved with to try and improve grass roots football in Australia. Don't know about you but I can't see the English FA caring whether the PL is broadcast on Pay TV or FTA in Australia, they will just want the most money possible.
 

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elhadjihenry said:
That was already happening before Foxtel lost the PL and only started because of the deal the FFA was involved with to try and improve grass roots football in Australia. Don't know about you but I can't see the English FA caring whether the PL is broadcast on Pay TV or FTA in Australia, they will just want the most money possible.
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PL clubs like LFC & Chelsea have already expressed concern about the limited exposure from the current Optus deal so that may well influence what bids the PL accepts.

FWIW the Chinese broadcast rights didn't go to the biggest bidder. It went to a FTA bidder for maximum exposure.
 
Zidane98 said:
PL clubs like LFC & Chelsea have already expressed concern about the limited exposure from the current Optus deal so that may well influence what bids the PL accepts.

FWIW the Chinese broadcast rights didn't go to the biggest bidder. It went to a FTA bidder for maximum exposure.
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The optus deal yes, they never complained about Foxtel's coverage though so why would they change it if they got it back?

You can hardly compare the Chinese rights to Australia, the exposure there is exponentially larger than Australia and is worth millions to the PL, and the bid was still an enormous one that blew every other countries broadcast rights out of the water.
 
Zidane98 said:
PL clubs like LFC & Chelsea have already expressed concern about the limited exposure from the current Optus deal so that may well influence what bids the PL accepts.

FWIW the Chinese broadcast rights didn't go to the biggest bidder. It went to a FTA bidder for maximum exposure.
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So something has happened since this?

http://advanced-television.com/2016/11/18/premier-league-in-record-chinese-tv-rights-deal/

The English Premier League has sold its television rights in China for about £564 million (€660m), marking its biggest-ever overseas sale.

Online video streaming service PPTV, a media division of China’s Suning retail group which also owns Italian football club Inter Milan has agreed a three-year deal from the 2019-20 season.
 
Fwoy said:
So something has happened since this?

http://advanced-television.com/2016/11/18/premier-league-in-record-chinese-tv-rights-deal/

The English Premier League has sold its television rights in China for about £564 million (€660m), marking its biggest-ever overseas sale.

Online video streaming service PPTV, a media division of China’s Suning retail group which also owns Italian football club Inter Milan has agreed a three-year deal from the 2019-20 season.
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The current rights holder is a FTA broadcaster.
 
Fwoy said:
So something has happened since this?

http://advanced-television.com/2016/11/18/premier-league-in-record-chinese-tv-rights-deal/

The English Premier League has sold its television rights in China for about £564 million (€660m), marking its biggest-ever overseas sale.

Online video streaming service PPTV, a media division of China’s Suning retail group which also owns Italian football club Inter Milan has agreed a three-year deal from the 2019-20 season.
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Zidane98 said:
The current rights holder is a FTA broadcaster.
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Which has just been outbid by an online service because they offered more money. Guess that kinda ruins your argument hey? :p
 

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