Media agenda against Carlton.

[thylacine60]

Dunstall is looking at him saying he has some tools needed to be a star but it is far too early to predict he will be. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, we have proved one thing conclusively over the last 20 years. Draft position means absolutely nothing once you are part of a club. If the development is not there and you have a lack of positive role models, chances are you have bugger all hope of being a star. Poor coaching and/or people management skills can also undo a promising career. You may be able to scratch out a longer than average career if the alternative options on the list are worse, still doesn't make you a star.

wrong thread for common sense, jab - try the one that runs a bit deeper

 

[Jabba73]

Had no choice. Been a little to boring with the long-winded posts lately. Needed to bring out the idiot in myself.

Don't hold it in, not good for you.

If ferrisb is reading this: don't let it out, it's not good for us.

 

[SBYM]

We're a proud club who has been woeful for nigh on 20 years, despite a 3 year phase where we overpromised and got all cocky!

You could even say we've been shambolic.

Amirite?

 

[SBYM]

Ps. I won't show myself out.

That there is comedy gold and you'll all laugh yourselves silly and like it.

 

[thylacine60]

 

[LordLucifer]

X 2

 

[mediumsizered]

Ps. I won't show myself out.

That there is comedy gold and you'll all laugh yourselves silly and like it.

Don't let it hit you on the way out.

 

[GoBlues!]

After reading a lot of serious posts in this thread, I think I need time to....

 

[My name geoff]

Dunstall is looking at him saying he has some tools needed to be a star but it is far too early to predict he will be. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, we have proved one thing conclusively over the last 20 years. Draft position means absolutely nothing once you are part of a club. If the development is not there and you have a lack of positive role models, chances are you have bugger all hope of being a star. Poor coaching and/or people management skills can also undo a promising career. You may be able to scratch out a longer than average career if the alternative options on the list are worse, still doesn't make you a star.

You are really labouring to rationalise your rebuking of the points being made.

Answer this honestly..would this be something you would have expected to see before Collingwoods opening pre season game?..

'Collingwood have got to turn their list around, they've got to get some quality youth in. Apart from Darcy Moore, there are no young players you could say 'they're going to be the next wave of stars for the magpies.'
There's not enough light at the end of the tunnel, list wise, if I'm a magpies supporter'

 

[La Dispute]

It's sticks and stones stuff. The proof as they say will be in the pudding.
We've all seen replays in the past when the Blues are getting hammered early, then get up and win. The switch in commentary attitude is hilarious.

Yeh, it's all a bit precious. Teams on the rise always get pumped up over the pre-season and every new player, or existing young gun is another opportunity to add some extra 'insight' and analysis - no matter how vacuous and pointless it may be at this point in time.

It's all cyclical too; if you're a good team, you get applauded far beyond what you deserve and if you're an average team, you get patronised. These things rarely change and unfortunately the only solution is to get better. It's hard to pump up a perennial cellar-dweller with an appalling list and only a few genuine A-Graders.

It's one extra condition that we're going to have to deal with, and really, it's not a big one. Taking a victim-mentality to whatever's being espoused by commentators and media's only going to compromise your own enjoyment of the game. If it's really that bad, there's always the option of muting the game, and boycotting reading the papers/clicking links on social media.

 

[SBYM]

Don't go, this awesome thread needs you.

 

[My name geoff]

Yeh, it's all a bit precious. Teams on the rise always get pumped up over the pre-season and every new player, or existing young gun is another opportunity to add some extra 'insight' and analysis - no matter how vacuous and pointless it may be at this point in time.

It's all cyclical too; if you're a good team, you get applauded far beyond what you deserve and if you're an average team, you get patronised. These things rarely change and unfortunately the only solution is to get better. It's hard to pump up a perennial cellar-dweller with an appalling list and only a few genuine A-Graders.

It's one extra condition that we're going to have to deal with, and really, it's not a big one. Taking a victim-mentality to whatever's being espoused by commentators and media's only going to compromise your own enjoyment of the game. If it's really that bad, there's always the option of muting the game, and boycotting reading the papers/clicking links on social media.

Ive had a sneaking suspicion that the afl have gone after us since Ratten instigated the investigation into the bombers doping.

That particular theory is drawing a a long bow based off of not a whole lot evidence and a has a bit of 'victim mentality' to it.

Listening to commentators hammer one team harder than every other team and providing examples, is not a case of 'victim mentality' it's a reasonable observation.

Carlton don't have any representation in the commentary box or on the boundary. That's not a victim mentality, that's an observation.

I've provided examples of the media trying to give us a whack when we were pushing the top 8 last year also..doesn't that sort of null the rationale that 'if we get good the media will get off our backs' ?

 

[SBYM]

Huh?

 

[Jabba73]

Last one out, turn off the lights

 

[Jabba73]

You are really labouring to rationalise your rebuking of the points being made.

Answer this honestly..would this be something you would have expected to see before Collingwoods opening pre season game?..

'Collingwood have got to turn their list around, they've got to get some quality youth in. Apart from Darcy Moore, there are no young players you could say 'they're going to be the next wave of stars for the magpies.'
There's not enough light at the end of the tunnel, list wise, if I'm a magpies supporter'

I want Collingwood to be pumped up in the media, gets their supporters excited and makes the reality hit hard for them to take.

Sorry for labouring the point about Dunstall. You are probably right, if he is not proclaiming every Blues player a star before they play 10 games he is lying about their talent to troll us.

 

[SBYM]

Last one out, turn off the lights

Stop digging up our old membership slogans.

 

[My name geoff]

I want Collingwood to be pumped up in the media, gets their supporters excited and makes the reality hit hard for them to take.

Sorry for labouring the point about Dunstall. You are probably right, if he is not proclaiming every Blues player a star before they play 10 games he is lying about their talent to troll us.

Misunderstanding the points being made doesn't strengthen your argument lol

Dunstall was proclaiming that he saw no POTENTIAL future blues stars. Do you see the difference?

He was implying that there was no light at the end of the tunnel for the Blues... Do you think that is a fair assessment? Do you think any other club has been spoken about this way in the preseason? If so can you please provide an example?

 

[thylacine60]

Ive had a sneaking suspicion that the afl have gone after us since Ratten instigated the investigation into the bombers doping.

That particular theory is drawing a a long bow based off of not a whole lot evidence and a has a bit of 'victim mentality' to it.

Listening to commentators hammer one team harder than every other team and providing examples, is not a case of 'victim mentality' it's a reasonable observation.

Carlton don't have any representation in the commentary box or on the boundary. That's not a victim mentality, that's an observation.

I've provided examples of the media trying to give us a whack when we were pushing the top 8 last year also..doesn't that sort of null the rationale that 'if we get good the media will get off our backs' ?

Oh God. "I've had a sneaking suspicion". And he pillories the media. Hilarious.

 

[My name geoff]

Oh God. "I've had a sneaking suspicion". And he pillories the media. Hilarious.

Are you implying that I pilloried the media because of this sneaking suspicion? or that if I've had a sneaking suspicion that means I then can never be critical of the media?

 

[Jabba73]

Misunderstanding the points being made doesn't strengthen your argument lol

Dunstall was proclaiming that he saw no POTENTIAL future blues stars. Do you see the difference?

He was implying that there was no light at the end of the tunnel for the Blues... Do you think that is a fair assessment? Do you think any other club has been spoken about this way in the preseason? If so can you please provide an example?

Every player on every list is a potential star or they would not be there.

None of the kids you listed have proven anything yet, so they are no different from any other draftee looking to establish themselves.

I am not here to defend Dunstall, merely pointing out he is not necessarily incorrect with his assessment of the number of stars on our list. Until they show some consistency they are not stars.

 

[thylacine60]

I'll continue to humour you as currently my workload is minimal - I am implying your ridiculous "I have a sneaking suspicion" is exactly what you are accusing the media of i.e. bullshit, or minimising, or playing to an agenda.

"This negativity has flow on effects on memberships and club stability, it even affects us at trade time when we lose quality players for unders."

Even if you believed the above line from your OP, any nong with a hat would realise success brings with it more success at every level. Premiership points, members, sponsorship, marquee players, etc. Like money makes money.

Now off with you before I open the vault.

 

[Masqualero]

Don't get me wrong, I love this club.

Buuuuut

There is no real media agenda against us, few commentators/media people may have a slight dislike of the Navy Blues however most of the criticism given is warranted. The media puts pressure on bottom performing teams, we are a bottom performing team. You only have to look at the treatment of Leppitsh and Brisbane last year to see what kind of scrutiny bottom performing teams attract, the examples go on Neald, McKenna ect.

The reason being that people like drama and its pretty hard to put pressure on a higher performing/rising team with out looking like an idiot. We were talked up by pretty much all media during that win streak last year especially after the Geelong win, they were praising Bolton, game plan, youth, the future ect.

However, we lost all of our last 11 games apart from the Melbourne one. As such we will attract negative attention until improvement is reflecting on the scoreboard/ladder as we are a bottom performing club especially so during the JLT, regardless of whatever we are doing this pre-season, people can only comment on what they can see and what most people can see is unorganised and quite simply bad football. Apart from a few green shoots here and there

To be honest I think some people need to chill out and not take every thing the media reports to heart, after all the media is going to portray every club not in the 8 in a negative light, no more, no less than the Navy Blues.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Don't get me wrong, I love this club.

Buuuuut

There is no real media agenda against us, few commentators/media people may have a slight dislike of the Navy Blues however most of the criticism given is warranted. The media puts pressure on bottom performing teams, we are a bottom performing team. You only have to look at the treatment of Leppitsh and Brisbane last year to see what kind of scrutiny bottom performing teams attract, the examples go on Neald, McKenna ect.

The reason being that people like drama and its pretty hard to put pressure on a higher performing/rising team with out looking like an idiot. We were talked up by pretty much all media during that win streak last year especially after the Geelong win, they were praising Bolton, game plan, youth, the future ect.

However, we lost all of our last 11 games apart from the Melbourne one. As such we will attract negative attention until improvement is reflecting on the scoreboard/ladder as we are a bottom performing club especially so during the JLT, regardless of whatever we are doing this pre-season, people can only comment on what they can see and what most people can see is unorganised and quite simply bad football. Apart from a few green shoots here and there

To be honest I think some people need to chill out and not take every thing the media reports to heart, after all the media is going to portray every club not in the 8 in a negative light, no more, no less than the Navy Blues.

Well seeing as though you used Brisbane as an example. They won 4 less games than us last year and only won 2 of their last 11 games and their losses were by bigger margins and they didn't push a few top teams in that time like we did (same amount of wins as a depleted Essendon side and only 0.6% points better). All of a sudden they have amazing young talent coming through and are showing better signs than us based on a 4 goal loss to GC and an 8 point win against WB in JLT.
Our last couple of drafts have been pretty good, even if most of those players haven't exactly proven anything yet (not sure that too many teams can claim that a fair chunk of their recent draftees have shown much) and have young players like Cripps, Doc, M'bank, Pickett, Plowman outside of the draftees like Weiters, SOS, Curnow, SPS, Fisher, Polson, McKay that have all been fairly highly rated at some point and there's no signs of any quality youth coming through and our list is diabolical?
C'mon! It might not be an intentional agenda, but there's clearly a negative bias there. GC have recruited amazingly well, Brisbane have promising youth coming through, Essendon get smoke blown up their proverbial at every opportunity, Freo are expected to make an amazing leap back up the ladder. Saints and Melbourne are the new teams making a claim for top 8. North have lost a massive amount of talent and experience and will be relying heavily on unproven players that have had little exposure in recent years, but might have unearthed some gems to surprise everyone this year after 2 JLT wins against teams that historically don't put much effort into preseason games. It's virtually everyone but us.

 

[La Dispute]

How would a commentator know anything about a guy like Polson though? He barely played last year and was a late draft pick.

By contrast, Gold Coast took 4 very early first round draftees, who were pretty well known prior to being selected.

 

[Aphrodite]

Ive had a sneaking suspicion that the afl have gone after us since Ratten instigated the investigation into the bombers doping.

That particular theory is drawing a a long bow based off of not a whole lot evidence and a has a bit of 'victim mentality' to it.

Listening to commentators hammer one team harder than every other team and providing examples, is not a case of 'victim mentality' it's a reasonable observation.

Carlton don't have any representation in the commentary box or on the boundary. That's not a victim mentality, that's an observation.

I've provided examples of the media trying to give us a whack when we were pushing the top 8 last year also..doesn't that sort of null the rationale that 'if we get good the media will get off our backs' ?

Say what!