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This is a religion issue. As answered here:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/fab16efa92613844a11a944c926eb28f
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This is a religion issue. As answered here:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/fab16efa92613844a11a944c926eb28f
Couldn't open it.
It is an issue of the law of the land,not religious freedom.
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Women have the right to choose to wear what they want. Even if they have been religiously indoctrinated into thinking that's what they want.
No one should be able to choose to be physically assaulted for discipline or behaviour. (least of which, because it doesn't work...).
Physical assault and choosing to dress religiously shouldn't be compared because they are not the same thing.
One is actual physical abuse based on religious indoctrination... The other is claiming that religious indoctrination is a form of abuse.
No one should be able to choose to be physically assaulted for discipline or behaviour. (least of which, because it doesn't work...).
Physical assault and choosing to dress religiously shouldn't be compared because they are not the same thing.
One is actual physical abuse based on religious indoctrination... The other is claiming that religious indoctrination is a form of abuse.
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Don't buy in. He's a time sink.It's misogyny to think a woman shouldn't be hit for "disobedience"
...just because people want to state that abuse is okay according to some s**t interpretation of religion?
You and I know both know that should be the case - but won't be how it operates.
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Wow the S&M bit was to highlight not all physical contact, assault and abuse is received as something negative. The lines are blurred and people chose to live how they want. s**t, some people choose to live with DV (not all choose but many do).
Personally I don't lose sleep over S&M or any other consenting acts between husband and wife including discipline and DV.
We should not condone it, we should provide every bit of assistance when people need help, we should not change our laws to allow it but the reality is we do not and can not police behind closed doors. Someone needs to lay a complaint before the police can act.
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Just another example of Islam trying to bring in Islamic beliefs to a non-secular society. It's amazing anyone is arguing it is ok to beat your wife if she says it's ok she wants to be beaten. The slippery slope of unchecked multicultural accceptance and allowing unwanted Islamic beliefs into Australia is getting slipprier. I'm with you KV, Australia needs to take a strong stance on dv. Any immigrants preaching dv should have a chance of reeducation, and if they can't agree that dv is not ok, deport them. No point in the tax payer funding an overseas dv cultural issue when we need to jail our own home grown dv idiots.
Hopefully this doesn't become another SRP left right debate. Clear as day that beating your wife is not ok.
I'm not fully across 18c, but can this fall into that. It seems to me that this is promoting violence against women.
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It's an article from the Australian, from Muslim leaders.
This should work
Well, yeah. There's only one law that matters.
Of course the quran promotes dv,there is no other way to read sura 4:34 and quran 38:44.
There is not an "oh but you are taking this out of context" liberal/moderate clause here.
Much like all islamic belief this is the literal word of allah.
This becomes before all other laws of the land.
Do not want!
There is not an "oh but you are taking this out of context" liberal/moderate clause here.
Much like all islamic belief this is the literal word of allah.
This becomes before all other laws of the land.
Do not want!
You are,this thread is about the video,stop distracting by pointing fingers on the other direction.
As Hitchens said "the wolves are not at the door,they are inside the walls"
And clearly they are dressed as women!
Sad sad religious minority's trying to control our secular laws and freedoms.
I won't stand for it and neither should any of you!
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So we are pretending domestic violence is a multicultural issue?
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IT’S hard to imagine anything more ludicrous than two Muslim women trying to defend their faith against claims of misogyny, by discussing the implements that husbands can use to beat their misbehaving wives and describing the abuse as “a beautiful blessing”.
The Left’s disdain for the values that underpin Western secular democracies sees them continually give cover to Islamists. They would do well to heed Hirsi Ali’s words: “Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...h/news-story/7bc47b4cb5d871e5616643e40d34a77f
The Left’s disdain for the values that underpin Western secular democracies sees them continually give cover to Islamists. They would do well to heed Hirsi Ali’s words: “Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...h/news-story/7bc47b4cb5d871e5616643e40d34a77f
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Agree on this.
It is good that the Muslim community have written a letter condemning this behaviour, the more of that the better.
We cannot let Islam bring their backward crap into this country.
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Ironically enough, your robust defense of western values is behind a paywall.
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islam has brought the justification of domestic violence into this country?
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Has anyone condoned their behaviour though?
Reeducate or deport these women. If immigrants are promoting violence against women they can go home.
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IT’S hard to imagine anything more ludicrous than two Muslim women trying to defend their faith against claims of misogyny, by discussing the implements that husbands can use to beat their misbehaving wives and describing the abuse as “a beautiful blessing”.
Striking a blow for women’s rights everywhere, the women demonstrated the correct manner in which they should be hit and the type of tools appropriate for the job, including a small stick.
If it was a comedy skit it would bring the house down, but sadly what was posted on Facebook by the Women of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia was a serious discussion that served only to show the deep gulf that exists between devout adherents of the Koran and the Australian mainstream.
‘SHAMEFUL’: MUSLIM WOMEN HIT BACK
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Atika Latifi was keen to dispel the notion that Islam has a women problem. She did that by advising the veiled female audience in Lakemba, and those watching the video, that wives who display “disobedience to the husband” can be hit, but only after being scolded and deprived of sex: “Advise them first; leave them alone in bed; and hit them. He is permitted, not obliged, not encouraged, but permitted to hit her. That is what everyone is talking about. It should not cause pain. Not harsh.”
Fellow panellist Reem Allouche, who disturbingly identifies herself as a primary school teacher, agreed that a husband disciplining his wife could “promote tranquillity” and that “Islam is not gender biased”.
Reem Allouche and Atika Latifi stirred up controversy when they discussed how husbands could beat their wives in a Hizb ut-Tahrir video.
Allouche told the audience that a husband could hit his wife if she strayed from the teachings of the Koran because “he loves his wife, he fears for his wife, it’s almost a natural consequence”.
Feeling empowered yet, ladies?
It’s easy to dismiss Hizb ut-Tahrir as extremists whose views are not shared by the wider Muslim community, but the fact remains that the discussion between Allouche and Latifi came after prominent Muslim leader Keysar Trad caused outage by saying husbands could hit their wives “as a last resort” if buying chocolates and flowers didn’t fix the problem.
It’s also worth remembering it was Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi that ABC host Yassmin Abdel-Magied sought advice from after her appearance on Q&A, where she claimed that Islam was “the most feminist religion”.
Yet there are no outraged feminists, Muslim or otherwise, aiming at the group’s meetings and lectures. The courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali — herself a victim of FGM, who campaigns for subjugated women in the Muslim world — was a target of Australian feminists but the hate preaching of Hizb ut-Tahrir doesn’t result in online video campaigns or street protests.
Trad, often presented as the moderate spokesmen for the Muslim community, is president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and a married father of nine who has spoken openly about his desire to take a second wife. Displaying incredible chutzpah, Trad was on Nine News to condemn the attitude of the women in the video. But simply attacking the women and ignoring the problematic passages in the Koran is too convenient.
If we are serious about tackling such viewpoints then we must look deeper at the belief system that not only permits but encourages this type of submission.
Reporter hits back at 'Muslim leaders' saying it's OK to hit women
A statement by the Australian Muslim Collaborative claimed that “Islam categorically prohibits and denounces the abuse of women” and “any promotion of violence is against the spirit and letter of Islam”. But anyone familiar with history and the Koran would snicker at that.
Sheik Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi, chairman of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, is one of the most influential scholars in the world and is among many Islamic theologians who are clear about how the Koran’s teachings about husbands disciplining wives should be interpreted.
“It is permissible for him to beat her lightly with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive areas,” Al-Qaradawi explains.
“To be specific, one may beat only to safeguard Islamic behaviour and if he sees deviation only in what she must do or obey in relation to him.”
STORM OF CRITICISM OVER SHARIA LAW SUPPORT
The AMC statement was signed by 30 prominent Muslims, including the president of the Australian National Imams Council, Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, who in the past has expressed disturbing views about women, homosexuals and jihad, and The Project host and “terrorism expert” Waleed Aly who, despite being a lecturer at Monash University’s Global Terrorism Research Centre, speculated that the Boston bombings were the work of homegrown “American patriots” and seems bewildered about what motivates the Islamist terrorists of Boko Haram.
It’s extraordinary that Sheik Shady, who has said AIDS is a divine punishment for homosexuals, women should be “hung by their breasts in hell” and those guilty of adultery should be stoned to death, is judging the women in the video.
It’s also perverse that at a time when efforts to combat domestic violence see preschoolers exposed to contentious gender theories in the hope that they don’t one day become perpetrators or victims of violence against women, we have clear examples of ugly, problematic attitudes all but ignored by activists.
The Left’s disdain for the values that underpin Western secular democracies sees them continually give cover to Islamists. They would do well to heed Hirsi Ali’s words: “Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”
Rita Panahi is a Herald Sun columnist
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True! We have enough women seeking shelter and being killed by their partners.
Lol
So basically every muslim that signed that declaration are saying that the quran is "not" the "literal" word of allah!
Good,then we can have an open discussion without moderators banning me or others from threads for my honest and open opinions about quranic/sura/Hadith doctrine and its literal interpretations?
Can we get a mod in here?
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Bingo card is nearly full here.
Rita article.
"The problem is islam".
Free speech martyrdom.
Here's some facts. Domestic violence, its acceptance and justification, was a problem before islam got here and will continue to be a massive problem if it left tomorrow.
There is a huge crossover between committed anti-islam activists and losers who openly encourage violence against islamic women.
Rita article.
"The problem is islam".
Free speech martyrdom.
Here's some facts. Domestic violence, its acceptance and justification, was a problem before islam got here and will continue to be a massive problem if it left tomorrow.
There is a huge crossover between committed anti-islam activists and losers who openly encourage violence against islamic women.
Be careful what you wish for, malifice will be here soon telling everyone how the Middle East was more peaceful than Christian Europe in the summer of 1361.
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