A thread on politics- have some balls and post

[MacMum]

Well, I think all my Lions folk should move down here to be safe.....you could breath some of that rotten stuff up there, that they send our way.

We're a bit further away from it......maybe, hopefully.

..but make sure you bring the team with you.

 

[Billy Puller]

Le penn.... the worlds changing, some people are so out of touch get with the times

 

[Davemonkey]

There will always be bureaucracy. It's an unavoidable end game of government. Without the EU there would arguably be more. Just less centralised.

Edited for general application and accuracy.

 

[SizeMatters]

Le penn.... the worlds changing, some people are so out of touch get with the times

Viva Le Pen.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Le penn.... the worlds changing, some people are so out of touch get with the times

Nothing new about nationalism and divide & conquer.

 

[13Beast]

So just to make sure I understand this right...Julie Bishop says North Korea's nukes are a threat to Australia.

North Korea find this comment so wrong and offensive, and in order to prove her wrong... they threaten to nuke us...

Wouldn't worry, N.Korea doesn't possess nuclear warheads that can travel as far as Australia. Most of their armament are shorter range.

I am of the belief that N.Korea will never start a war with anyone, but is so sh*t scared of being invaded/taken over, that all the strutting about and mass stockpiling of weapons/military budget is to precisely prevent that. They are nutters, but they certainly probably seem nuttier than they really are. Also, they are completely reliant on foreign food aid, which always has a spike upwards (why I do not know) whenever they put on a show of force/tensions increase.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Wouldn't worry, N.Korea doesn't possess nuclear warheads that can travel as far as Australia. Most of their armament are shorter range.

Yeah I'm not worried. Was just amused by their "diplomatic" logic.

 

[jackess]

Isn't it 27 nukes regardless of where they're detonated and the earth will be unable to sustain life?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Isn't it 27 nukes regardless of where they're detonated and the earth will be unable to sustain life?

Depends on the size of the warheads and whether they are hydrogen (fusion) or atom (fission) bombs.

 

[jackess]

Depends on the size of the warheads and whether they are hydrogen (fusion) or atom (fission) bombs.

We're doomed

 

[13Beast]

Isn't it 27 nukes regardless of where they're detonated and the earth will be unable to sustain life?

A lot depends on warhead size and much more. One of my professors is Russian (now Australian), and during back in the 80s when he was still in Russia, he worked at the top Soviet Nuclear testing HQ as a hot shot young nuclear physicist having graduated from one of the top Moscow universities that pumped out the best and brightest. He was developing and creating mathematical modeling systems to illustrate and predict the amount of fallout that would occur following a nuclear strike....in order to ascertain the timing and insertion of Soviet troops by air, sea and land into that affected zone.

What I found interesting discussing it with him (I do a bit of modelling with fluid dynamics etc), was such things such as air density, humidity, precipitation, winds etc etc in that area, as well as the type of soil makeup, level of vegetation, what water was in the area (whether static - lake, pond etc, ocean/sea, moving - streams, rivers, plus their salinity levels etc) all affected the amount of particles that could be thrown into the atmosphere, by how much and how high, and then determining to what distance and to what degree these radioactive particles could travel. Dropping a warhead in the Gobi desert, or dropping the same warhead in the Amazon forest, likewise dropping on on New York City or in the middle of the Atlantic, can all vary phenomenally.

Bear in mind tactical nuclear warheads can be quite small and designed to operate within a very small range (under 100kms) and mostly affect a battlefield, right up to the enormous ones that level entire cities such as we saw in the Cold War. Prior to that conversation with him, I never thought for an instance the level of thought and forward planning that goes along with the application of nuclear weapons, such as that I wrote above. Fascinating stuff.

 

[Billy Puller]

Divide and conquer away luckily being browny white I'll be on the winning side

 

[Hollow Knight]

Divide and conquer away luckily being browny white I'll be on the winning side

Yeah, that's not what divide and conquer/rule is about...

*insert famous Lyndon Johnson "pocket picking" quote here*

 

[Billy Puller]

Yeah, that's not what divide and conquer/rule is about...

*insert famous Lyndon Johnson "pocket picking" quote here*

I'm privledged as bro

 

[carnthemlions]

Viva Le Pen.

You couldn't even get than one right.

Le penn.... the worlds changing, some people are so out of touch get with the times

She's a slightly toned down version of her father, a nazi. So, you were saying?

Yeah I'm not worried. Was just amused by their "diplomatic" logic.

There was actually a pretty good argument for there being some logic to there behaviour pre- Kim Jong-Un. The basic version is that they'd announce a test/maybe fire a missile or two, demand food/fuel/money in exchange for not doing anything for a while. But when you start doing it too often, it doesn't work any more.

How exactly has the EU brought stability and co-operation to Europe in the wake of the World Wars? What "historical and current benefits" has it offered? As far as I can tell each country is as divided and self interested as ever. What has the EU done that you've concluded it has brought Europe together other than a begrudgingly agreed international trade relation weighted to benefit a small few, primarily Germany?

What exactly would France (and the departed UK) stand to gain from such a relationship?

As far as I can tell in terms of annual contributions to the EU there are no benefits and it seems to ask a lot of the wealthier countries, particularly in the area of immigration, with absolutely nothing to be benefited in the short or long term.

I'm not sure what you think the EU is, exactly. You seem to have a pretty narrow idea in mind. Rather than asking what the EU is, you'd be better off asking what it isn't these days (this isn't necessarily a positive btw). The question now isn't what the UK or France stand to gain from remaining in the EU (flawed though it may is), it's what they stand to gain from leaving.

For me it should be more a question of whether the EU can change, specifically in terms of economic policy and power structures (cumbersome, unelected + unaccountable bureaucracy, too much control given to certain countries).

 

[Billy Puller]

You couldn't even get than one right.

She's a slightly toned down version of her father, a nazi. So, you were saying?

There was actually a pretty good argument for there being some logic to there behaviour pre- Kim Jong-Un. The basic version is that they'd announce a test/maybe fire a missile or two, demand food/fuel/money in exchange for not doing anything for a while. But when you start doing it too often, it doesn't work any more.

I'm not sure what you think the EU is, exactly. You seem to have a pretty narrow idea in mind. Rather than asking what the EU is, you'd be better off asking what it isn't these days (this isn't necessarily a positive btw). The question now isn't what the UK or France stand to gain from remaining in the EU (flawed though it may is), it's what they stand to gain from leaving.

For me it should be more a question of whether the EU can change, specifically in terms of economic policy and power structures (cumbersome, unelected + unaccountable bureaucracy, too much control given to certain countries).

Go Le Penn

 

[SizeMatters]

Go Le Penn

I have found it fascinating that Europes youth are the ones driving the much needed change especially in France. They are sick of no jobs, no housing, and just no help from the EU with a lot of the resources instead siphoned off to immigrants to give them the advantage. The wheel is turning. Even in Australia the current government is remodelling 457 work visas. It's a small step in the right direction but its a start at least.

 

[Billy Puller]

I have found it fascinating that Europes youth are the ones driving the much needed change especially in France. They are sick of no jobs, no housing, and just no help from the EU with a lot of the resources instead siphoned off to immigrants to give them the advantage. The wheel is turning. Even in Australia the current government is remodelling 457 work visas. It's a small step in the right direction but its a start at least.

The wheel is turning indeed sizey, but yet our quarrels are dismissed. If it's a nazi who will better my future then a nazi I will folllow

 

[dlanod]

I have found it fascinating that Europes youth are the ones driving the much needed change especially in France. They are sick of no jobs, no housing, and just no help from the EU with a lot of the resources instead siphoned off to immigrants to give them the advantage. The wheel is turning. Even in Australia the current government is remodelling 457 work visas. It's a small step in the right direction but its a start at least.

The 457 visas are a token gesture that they wouldn't be changing if it made any difference whatsoever.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The wheel is turning indeed sizey, but yet our quarrels are dismissed. If it's a nazi who will better my future then a nazi I will folllow

Repugnant.

******* repugnant.

 

[Davemonkey]

The wheel is turning indeed sizey, but yet our quarrels are dismissed. If it's a nazi who will better my future then a nazi I will folllow

At the cost of everything else? Read some history. Even the light version seems like Mussolini and Franco have plenty of blood on their hands. Let's not get in to the efficient highly industrialised ones led by a bunch of vicious sociopath. Read some ******* history!
Note: The History Channel (also known as the How Cool Were the Wehrmacht and Aliens Channel) doesn't count.

 

[13Beast]

Note: The History Channel (also known as the How Cool Were the Wehrmacht and Aliens Channel) doesn't count.

A military that has its officers dressed in Hugo Boss is mighty cool with me

 

[SizeMatters]

The wheel is turning indeed sizey, but yet our quarrels are dismissed. If it's a nazi who will better my future then a nazi I will folllow

Yeah well I wouldn't go that far, as much as national socialism has its good points there are a few bad points too. But I think I understand what you mean. The word Nazi is thrown around far too often these days. I get your sarcasm in that regards.

 

[Billy Puller]

Relax guys

 

[Billy Puller]

Yeah well I wouldn't go that far, as much as national socialism has its good points there are a few bad points too. But I think I understand what you mean. The word Nazi is thrown around far too often these days. I get your sarcasm in that regards.

Thank you at least someone clearly got it.