Did Richmond make a mistake drafting (trading for) Dion Prestia?

[SA HAWK]

Prestia's salary didn't force us to offload club champions though.

According to Clarkson we could have kept Mitchell & Lewis.

 

[telsor]

According to Clarkson we could have kept Mitchell & Lewis.

So what, you got rid of them because they were no good any more?

or because you really needed those late picks?

 

[hk89]

Prestia's salary didn't force us to offload club champions though.

Neither did we. Very clearly had plenty of cash to get JOM/TOM and keep both Mitchell and Lewis. Which means we now have a shit load of cash. Isn't Dusty coming up as a restricted free agent at the end of this year?

 

[hk89]

So what, you got rid of them because they were no good any more?

or because you really needed those late picks?

Because they wanted to leave for longer contracts than we were willing to give, and we don't play hard ball with club legends who have help give the club 4 flags. We could have forced both to stay, but Mitchell really wanted to setup in Perth before his two youngest started school, and Lewis was offered 2 more years by Melbourne than we were willing to offer. They were both contracted and we could have kept them. Lewis probably wanted to stay, but not on a 1 year contract with no certainty of renewal afterwards. We could have been bastards and forced him to stay, and probably taken 2 full years of earnings off him by doing so, but why do that to him?

As a bonus we had to move them sooner rather than later anyway, and this let us stagger the movement of the old folks out over 2-3 years instead of 1-2. As a bonus, it also makes room to play some kids this year. It also lets us tell a believable story in the future to other players who we may ask to take unders, "take unders now and we will not **** you over at the end of your career". Lewis and Mitchell are both considerably better off financially than they would have been had we enforced their 1 year contracts.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Prestia's salary didn't force us to offload club champions though.

You need to have some to start with before you can offload them....

 

[master bate]

Very good: 2nd rounder for Vickery
Very good: Late first rounder for Deledio
Good: Caddy for pick 26
Great: Nankervis for pick 46

I think they overpaid for Prestia, that much is clear. But it's definitely softened when you weigh up their trades as a group that saw them get a first rounder back next year, recoup a 2nd rounder this year and add 2 other best 22 players.

With pick 6 (which then became pick 7 after academy picks) you're giving up more of a shot of getting an elite player than say pick 10 or pick 15 which is probably Prestia's range. But the overall effect of Richmond's trade period was it gave them belief to turn things around quickly.

If I was in charge I would've traded more players out and headed to the draft with a strong hand last year and tried to rebuild. Instead the Tigers back in Martin, Rance, Riewoldt, Cotchin and added depth around them and are reaping the benefits.

I wouldn't call them a contender just yet but they are close enough now they can keep trying.

 

[SCRAY72]

How's Daisy working out for ya?

And Liam Jones
And Kristian Jaksch

Moral of the story. Every team f**** up every once in a while

 

[mattt]

And Liam Jones
And Kristian Jaksch

Moral of the story. Every team f**** up every once in a while

Indeed. 45 players on a list annually... x 18 teams = 810 players in the system every year. It's inevitable.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Good: Caddy for pick 26

When you consider that Geelong turned pick 26 into Brandan Parfitt, who looks like a fantastic prospect, I'm not sure if it's a win.

Caddy is a C-grade player at best and hasn't really added much to Richmond's team so far this season. Think I'd prefer an extra 6 years of Parfitt who could be anything.

 

[Brown Bottle]

His ball skills are poor but it was the right decision to get inside players
Cotchin and Martin are shining because of it

Wonder if they should have kept their powder dry and maybe snagged a cheap GWS inside player.

You mean like the bargain basement inside mids we've picked up since Tuck and Jackson retired? Thomas (Port Adelaide) and Townsend (GWS) are two that spring to mind. Unfortunately with inside mids you seem to get what you pay for

 

[SCRAY72]

Indeed. 45 players on a list annually... x 18 teams = 810 players in the system every year. It's inevitable.

Amen to that, you win some some, you lose a few. Sticking it to the Tigers over Prestia is silly this early on.

 

[Shinboner roo]

Yes, well pick 6 was overs but then again he also allows cotchin more freedom and dusty to go foward and be dangerous. So the trade seems to be paying off atm.

 

[master bate]

When you consider that Geelong turned pick 26 into Brandan Parfitt, who looks like a fantastic prospect, I'm not sure if it's a win.

Caddy is a C-grade player at best and hasn't really added much to Richmond's team so far this season. Think I'd prefer an extra 6 years of Parfitt who could be anything.

I'd definitely prefer Parfitt but he's now out for 8-10 weeks with a hammy, there's a lot of unknowns with his future. Caddy's not without injury issues - along with the fact he's a mediocre player - but for the last few years he's good for 18 games a year and can mix between midfield and forward line. Given how many youngsters look promising and amount to nothing I don't think it's a bad deal. Maybe acceptable would be more accurate than good.

 

[citizen-erased]

Because they wanted to leave for longer contracts than we were willing to give, and we don't play hard ball with club legends who have help give the club 4 flags. We could have forced both to stay, but Mitchell really wanted to setup in Perth before his two youngest started school, and Lewis was offered 2 more years by Melbourne than we were willing to offer. They were both contracted and we could have kept them. Lewis probably wanted to stay, but not on a 1 year contract with no certainty of renewal afterwards. We could have been bastards and forced him to stay, and probably taken 2 full years of earnings off him by doing so, but why do that to him?

As a bonus we had to move them sooner rather than later anyway, and this let us stagger the movement of the old folks out over 2-3 years instead of 1-2. As a bonus, it also makes room to play some kids this year. It also lets us tell a believable story in the future to other players who we may ask to take unders, "take unders now and we will not **** you over at the end of your career". Lewis and Mitchell are both considerably better off financially than they would have been had we enforced their 1 year contracts.

it doesn't sound like Lewis wanted to leave
Mitchell appears to be a move for a future position as a coach. Get out of the system you've known for 15 odd years and broaden the knowledge.
Lewis has been pretty magnanimous about the whole thing, but you get the feeling he left on principle for being asked to potentially look elsewhere.

Losing both has hurt the hawks. Undermined your midfield setup and essentially robbed you of your main weapon. Clean clearances and effective kicking from stoppages. Not so bad when you still hold your 1st and 2nd rd picks and a slide down the ladder can fast track a rebuild.

As for the Tiges and Prestia. I would say no. Pick 6 likely nets them Brodie, who is the closest you get to Prestia from the draft. Prestia came ready made and the Tigers have a solid enough list now.
They really only lack another quality tall defender & forward before they can push for a flag.

 

[BigFrizz36]

it doesn't sound like Lewis wanted to leave
Mitchell appears to be a move for a future position as a coach. Get out of the system you've known for 15 odd years and broaden the knowledge.
Lewis has been pretty magnanimous about the whole thing, but you get the feeling he left on principle for being asked to potentially look elsewhere.

Losing both has hurt the hawks. Undermined your midfield setup and essentially robbed you of your main weapon. Clean clearances and effective kicking from stoppages. Not so bad when you still hold your 1st and 2nd rd picks and a slide down the ladder can fast track a rebuild.

As for the Tiges and Prestia. I would say no. Pick 6 likely nets them Brodie, who is the closest you get to Prestia from the draft. Prestia came ready made and the Tigers have a solid enough list now.
They really only lack another quality tall defender & forward before they can push for a flag.

on what planet can the tigers compete with giants, digs or crows and push for a flag? even with another good tall forward and defender (if drafted at least 3 years wait) they are miles away and have holes everywhere. gws first rounder is pick 18 - 20. rucks are average (nank has been beaten by kreuze, grundy and sauce) no run from defence and only really jack up forward (to be fair rioli looks good). got on a roll at the outset (blues were terrible against them) had a bit of luck (west coast should have nailed them but kicked badly and then the dees had no rucks and tigers got out of jail) now that there bubble has been pricked i suspect that they will come back to the field and finish 9th.

 

[citizen-erased]

on what planet can the tigers compete with giants, digs or crows and push for a flag? even with another good tall forward and defender (if drafted at least 3 years wait) they are miles away and have holes everywhere. gws first rounder is pick 18 - 20. rucks are average (nank has been beaten by kreuze, grundy and sauce) no run from defence and only really jack up forward (to be fair rioli looks good). got on a roll at the outset (blues were terrible against them) had a bit of luck (west coast should have nailed them but kicked badly and then the dees had no rucks and tigers got out of jail) now that there bubble has been pricked i suspect that they will come back to the field and finish 9th.

GWS are an unknown for me. Form at home is very good. Exposed form at the G, under finals pressure - ?
I won't subscribe to them being walk up favourites just yet. Swans were the last non-Vic team to win a flag. And they were a finals hardened squad.
Before that, West Coast & Swans against each other.
I reckon GWS have another finals campaign to learn from before they win one.

Nank gives them physical presence in the middle. May not be the best ruckman, but sometimes all you need is someone to compete, then be there to block/tackle the mids and put them off their game.

I haven't rated the Tigers at all over their last few seasons. Even when making finals they were still error prone and erratic with their game plan. This season Hardwick has them playing a better brand. Quick football with intensity around the ball.
They're a better team than the one we've seen for the last decade.

 

[HBF]

They over paid for him.

They sure did.
Cannot believe the money the offered Prestia to come to Richmond.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

I'd definitely prefer Parfitt but he's now out for 8-10 weeks with a hammy, there's a lot of unknowns with his future. Caddy's not without injury issues - along with the fact he's a mediocre player - but for the last few years he's good for 18 games a year and can mix between midfield and forward line. Given how many youngsters look promising and amount to nothing I don't think it's a bad deal. Maybe acceptable would be more accurate than good.

Parfitt adds more to our side than Caddy did, compusure, awareness and skill, so I'm happy with the swap. His 8-10 week hammy injury is shit though.

Geelong fans always waited for Caddy to explode to that A-grade mid, but he's just always going to be that C/B-grade mid/forward, get his 20 touches and 1 goal a game but that's it.

 

[telsor]

Parfitt adds more to our side than Caddy did, compusure, awareness and skill, so I'm happy with the swap. His 8-10 week hammy injury is shit though.

Geelong fans always waited for Caddy to explode to that A-grade mid, but he's just always going to be that C/B-grade mid/forward, get his 20 touches and 1 goal a game but that's it.

I love this crap.

The knock on Richmond for years is that we lack depth.

We get some decent depth player(s) and people bitch about how they're not stars...

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Daisy Thomas 2.0 it's looking like! (Hope to be proved wrong) Richmonds only foul up after 2016 ended for them.

 

[mightymayblooms]

I would definitely say that Richmond made a mistake in NOT drafting Dion Prestia but have made up for it by trading him in!!

 

[blaisee]

They sure did.
Cannot believe the money the offered Prestia to come to Richmond.

what is unbelievable is that it is still less than what Daisy is being paid, and that that deal was made 5 years ago.

Incredible

 

[Grrr]

The thing about Prestia is that he knows what to do, is just not doing it at the moment. He knows where to run, is at the drop of the ball and gets hands on it, i.e. an inside mid that we have been desperately missing, it's just that he is out of form and low on confidence, and perhaps carrying his knee a bit. His first game against Carlton was top class, got it and used it well. Since then his form has tapered, that happens. Hopefully he'll run into form soon, class players can do it quickly, but one thing is certain he adds to the midfield mix.

 

[Royce Hafey]

Addresses not just a structural problem but the key structural problem holding back Richmond in recent years - our lack of inside depth. The comparison with O'Meara is actually instructive in this regard. If you look at their stats, O'Meara is performing better and is therefore more value, but to get him Hawthorn had to trade out two club legends and, as a consequence, his good stats include heaps of handballs in a team getting flogged. Richmond meanwhile is now a low possession team with a high kick to handball ratio. You might argue that Prestia isn't the player who is responsible for our efficient direct kicking and lots of meters gained and you'd be right at a superficial level. That's being done by Cotchin and Martin. But Cotchin and Martin needed inside depth to free them up and it's worked a treat.

 

[Sando22]

Agree he looks like he needs a rest for whatever reason but I feel Richmond would be reluctant to as it could be seen as them somewhat admitting to themselves and the footy world that he's just not that good.
If he's dropped to the 2's, that's bad.
If he's rested, different story.