Universal Love Purple Bombers

[BombzrBlitz]

I have no idea why they would have a lack of faith in the Australian public. Can you think of any reasons?

I have no reasons, all their polling according to them is that the australian Majority is in favour of SSM.. maybe they simply think it is a "fait accompli" and want to save the australian tax payer money??.. but yet they are so strident about it being about equality.. yet deny the autonomy of the Australian citizen.. hrmmm.. think about it..

 

[tesla1962]

I have no reasons, all their polling according to them is that the australian Majority is in favour of SSM.. maybe they simply think it is a "fait accompli" and want to save the australian tax payer money??.. but yet they are so strident about it being about equality.. yet deny the autonomy of the Australian citizen.. hrmmm.. think about it..

Here's one I can think of - it opens up a platform for ****wits like you to pontificate about whether one particular cohort of society should or shouldn't have access to something you have access to and wouldn't even question. How ****ng disgraceful a situation for any rational, thinking person to be put in. What should happen is our government should show some leadership and get it done as quickly and as simply as possible.

 

[BombzrBlitz]

Here's one I can think of - it opens up a platform for ****silly people like you to pontificate about whether one particular cohort of society should or shouldn't have access to something you have access to and wouldn't even question. How ****ng disgraceful a situation for any rational, thinking person to be in. What should happen is our government should show some leadership and get it done as quickly and as simply as possible.

The complexion of Australian society's social norms are put to the test through democracy, which are then reflected in law.
In this case SSM or more specifically homosexuality was established to be a crime even early on and the last bastions of that was in Tasmania before 1991.

The minority of people (according to LGBT) believe they dont want a soceity that condones SSM. Yet that same segment generally freely and openly accepted that to take away the condemnation of LGBT community was a good thing....(decriminalising homosexuality for instance) we dont see people aksing that homosexuality become a criminal offence do we??

There is a distinction to be made between the condemnation and Condoning of an act, specifically, accepting that alot of people in the minority think it is immoral, despite not condemning it criminally.... like you said, legal does not make something right.

An analogy could be Drugs... make them legal to reduce harm... does not mean taking drugs is an acceptable moral behaviour by the majority.

That said, The SSM push seems to be driven by attrition... eventually it will just "happen" simply because once people accepted that it was dumb to pursue people as criminals for homosexuality....either pragmatically or on principle... you would have to ask them. But they are diffrent things.

I think, To separate ourselves from the rest of the world who have either used Supreme courts or conscience votes to secure SSM, Australia should take the proper democratic route to cement it once and for all.
Both NZ and the USA's laws are still in question... why would any of the LGBT want to have the law of SSM have a question mark over it after it becomes legal.. it makes no sense. Do it right the first time .... it may even take longer to get the secure numbers... but you will know there wil be no question of its validity when it happens. unlike the NZ, USA and other places.

Furthermore, this makes the requirement for things like IDAHOT PB etc... not needed. your no longer special for being LGBTIQA.. it just "IS"

 

[tesla1962]

A plebiscite: the only 'proper and democratic route to cement it once and for all' LOL I suppose that's why we have had only three in our country's history - two on conscription during WW1 and one on the national anthem ffs. How on earth have we managed to function without more of these 'gold standards' that represent the only proper and democratic route to cement things once and for all.

Plebiscites are rarely used for a reason. On this question the government doesn't need to spend upwards of $160 million to go to the people and risk a long, divisive and bitter outcome. It's clear that the majority are for SSM and against a plebiscite. Neither is this an issue where there are two equally valid views. One is representative of a more equal, inclusive society, while the other belongs to a darker, bigoted past - way out of step.

What is sad is a government that refuses to take its responsibilities seriously when it has a clear mandate and the wherewithal to improve peoples lives and, at the same time, deprive bigots of any more oxygen on this issue.

 

[BombzrBlitz]

A plebiscite: the only 'proper and democratic route to cement it once and for all' LOL I suppose that's why we have had only three in our country's history - two on conscription during WW1 and one on the national anthem ffs. How on earth have we managed to function without more of these 'gold standards' that represent the only proper and democratic route to cement things once and for all.

I take it that SSM is not as important as the national anthem?

 

[Doss]

Yeah, that's definitely what he was saying.

 

[Aeglos]

Took a while to arrive (thanks AusPost) but looks pretty schmick, and most importantly means I can stop wearing hi vis singlets to training haha
(Hopefully link works for everyone)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By04GbB-pqyrV3ZEblh6ZzVzU1U