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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

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dangerousdane said:
Thought i would bring up Toby Greene.

They have been talking on SEN today saying the Giants should trade him due to is ill disciplined actions blah blah blah.

What are peoples thoughts on him as a player? I think he is a star and would be perfect for us, could he be the salary dump that allows them to keep Kelly? I read that he is on a very good contract.

There could be a lot of factors why he has issues and i wonder if being at a bigger club in Melbourne would suit him.

Would still cost a 1st round pick but not multiple picks like Kelly.
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My daughter who is a GWS academy player met him and Nick Haines a while ago and they were chalk and cheese. Haines spoke confidently and politely whilst Green couldn't utter more than grunts and groans. So she decided he was either dumb as a box of hammers or completely full of himself. Either or both could be his issue.
 
dangerousdane said:
Thought i would bring up Toby Greene.

They have been talking on SEN today saying the Giants should trade him due to is ill disciplined actions blah blah blah.

What are peoples thoughts on him as a player? I think he is a star and would be perfect for us, could he be the salary dump that allows them to keep Kelly? I read that he is on a very good contract.

There could be a lot of factors why he has issues and i wonder if being at a bigger club in Melbourne would suit him.

Would still cost a 1st round pick but not multiple picks like Kelly.
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Greene has been mentioned as being traded/going to us in a post on the StKilda board a month or so ago. That was from a StKilda supporter with inside info. Take the rumour as you wish.
 
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Love Greene as a player, serious gun, but is he too much of a tool that it would be a net loss?

SOS would have good insight
 
AB_Blue said:
Need VFL depth and also players who can be the 23rd-30th best player on our list

I'd also delist Sumner and Re-rookie him
It might be the wake up he needs to get his body 100%
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The difference between the Cat A rookie list and the senior list is virtually nil next season, so you'd just re-sign him rather than shuffle him across, unless there's some jockeying for position late in the draft.
 
teagueyubeauty said:
Well, GWS would love a Jones type in their backline. Considering their overall talent base they have some glaring weaknesses in tall backs and small forwards with pace.

Jones and a pick from any potential deal with Adelaide for Gibbs would go close as I'm sure GWS would see high value in a readymade KPP in an area of weakness
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Kelly in for the loss of Gibbs, Jones and a pick is far too hefty a price. Need to find ways to add players like Kelly around Gibbs and Jones somehow....
 
Read it wrong, Jones and a pick from any potential Gibbs deal not Jones, Gibbs and another pick.

Then the best midfielder available at pick 2-3.....with a bit of luck some stupid club will pay through the nose for Casboult and the AFL will look at it kindly and we get pick 2 and 3
 
Arr0w said:
Perhaps you need to start considering another option rather than the "Casboult Compo Pick", you have a better chance of winning lotto than Levi getting over $650K a year from any club that needs him ;)
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You're right - just like no one would ever give up pick 19 for a flakey half back who will never play again??

There are a few teams that would kill to have a KPF/ruck that can take a contested mark and kick a few goals.

Those nearing "the window" will happily pay up.

Geelong, Tigers and Melbourne are the obvious ones.

Freo, Hawks, Pies also struggle to have someone playing this role.

Remember no picks required to get him - just have to find the $ and 20% increase in TPP will help.

You may be correct - but personally speaking I would not be so dismissive.

I would not be at all surprised if a club offered Levi the big $$$$$.
 
People laugh about BigFooty but at least some on here appear smarter than the media.

Talking Footy literally questioned whether Marc Murphy and Ed Curnow (One who is contracted till the end of 2019 and the other I'm 99.9% sure won't retire anytime soon) were going to be around in 2019.
 
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NavyBlueTJ35 said:
People laugh about BigFooty but at least some on here appear smarter than the media.

Talking Footy literally questioned whether Marc Murphy and Ed Curnow (both who are contracted till the end of 2019) were going to be around in 2019.
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Murphy is contracted until 2018.
 
Arr0w said:
So with a clear lack of depth, arguably the worst in the league, you want SOS to use pick 3 + a potential compensation pick for Casboult ( Might stay or leave to play finals on a lower valued contract that will not trigger a band 3 pick) on one player, in Kelly? Admittedly he would improve the class of our side, but he would not improve our depth. If you are realistic, even with Kelly, we would still finish bottom 6 next year

If that deal was done, I would really be interested in what you would do to improve the talent/depth with the rest of our picks start with 40, given that we are only in the second year of our rebuild and stilling a clear bottom 3.

If you really wanted to fast track our rebuild, would it not make more sense, to package up pick 3 + potential compo pick for Casboult and target the likes of Smith, Hopper and Lobb? This would quickly improve our talent and depth.

I am not opposed to targeting Kelly, but not at the expense of the collective improvement of our list
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Trigg said at the coaches club dinner carlton will not go after 1 big contract player. Put it to the room, "what do you think is better - 1 player at 1.2 -1.4mil or 2 real good players at 7-800 ?". Said blues may end of this season go after someone but definitely will go after gun players end of next season.

Triggs words in the room with Bolts & the prez there.
 
Funk said:
You're right - just like no one would ever give up pick 19 for a flakey half back who will never play again??

There are a few teams that would kill to have a KPF/ruck that can take a contested mark and kick a few goals.

Those nearing "the window" will happily pay up.

Geelong, Tigers and Melbourne are the obvious ones.

Freo, Hawks, Pies also struggle to have someone playing this role.

Remember no picks required to get him - just have to find the $ and 20% increase in TPP will help.

You may be correct - but personally speaking I would not be so dismissive.

I would not be at all surprised if a club offered Levi the big $$$$$.
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Firstly, I hope you are not alluding to Yarran, I am sure that is an exceptional circumstance

Secondly, I understand your theory, but you need to dig deeper, to see what these sides already possess. All of these guys could/have held down forward positions as well as some used as relief ruckmen

Cats- Hawkins, Henderson, Taylor, Smith, Blicavs, Stanley, Buzza
Demons - Hogan, McDonald, Wiedeman, Pedersen, Gawn, Spencer
Hawks - O'Brien, Roughy, McEvoy, Ceglar, Schoenmakers, Gunstan, Brand, Lewis.
Pies - Strange, have tall options, but refuse to play them, why would they want another one
Freo - Griffen, Sandilands, Darcy, Taberner, Pearce, Clarke
Tigers - Could be an option, but they seem to think the new trend is what the Dogs did last year, which we all know was an exception

Casboult is still only on target to kick only 35 goals this season, despite his improved efficiency and of course his manager will test the water as he did last time, but I suspect he will re-sign

There is blue running through my veins, but that is a big difference to bathing in a pool of blu-loo.

But instead of me refuting your theory, would you target a player of Casboult's prowess and pay him $650K a year for the next 2 years?
 
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Bic said:
This will be our last year of a clean out.
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I dont think so.

The figure is around 12-14 that need to be turned over.

There is no way we can do that in this draft/trade period. More likely it will be spread over 2 or even 3 at the extreme end if a couple get small contracts to tide us over if we miss targets this year.

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bmaurizio said:
But we may well end up with the spoon again, I see at least 4 beltings coming our way, as all our opponents are struggling for a place in the finals and percentage will be crucial, its a very tight and even competion.
North will win at G against the Lions so we slide to 17th and I think the Lions may just sneak home against Suns.
So in end we could have a spoon , surely with two spoons in three years we'd qualify for AFL support in the way of a priority pick?
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North are tanking though

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Arr0w said:
Firstly, I hope you are not alluding to Yarran, I am sure that is an exceptional circumstance

Secondly, I understand your theory, but you need to dig deeper, to see what these sides already possess. All of these guys could/have held down forward positions as well as some used as relief ruckmen

Cats- Hawkins, Henderson, Taylor, Smith, Blicavs, Stanley, Buzza
Demons - Hogan, McDonald, Wiedeman, Pedersen, Gawn, Spencer
Hawks - O'Brien, Roughy, McEvoy, Ceglar, Schoenmakers, Gunstan, Brand, Lewis.
Pies - Strange, have tall options, but refuse to play them, why would they want another one
Freo - Griffen, Sandilands, Darcy, Taberner, Pearce, Clarke
Tigers - Could be an option

Casboult is still only on target to kick only 35 goals this season, despite his improved efficiency and of course his manager will test the water as he did last time, but I suspect he will re-sign

There is blue running through my veins, but that is a big difference to bathing in a pool of blu-loo.

But instead of me refuting your theory, would you target a player of Casboult's prowess and pay him $650K a year for the next 2 years?
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If I was at the Tigers (the most obvious option) I would give it very serious thought.

They are doing ok with wet weather football - when the weather dries out, and the standard of opposition gets better their short forward line will be found wanting.

But then I never thought anyone would give up pick 9 for Henderson.

As I said you may well be correct - just don't be so dismissive of what may eventuate.
 

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NavyBlueTJ35 said:
Already know that. But he might as well count him as one to play beyond then.

It's hard to correct myself when the ******* internet is slow and cuts itself every 5 minutes.
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excuses.
 
Funk said:
If I was at the Tigers (the most obvious option) I would give it very serious thought.

They are doing ok with wet weather football - when the weather dries out, and the standard of opposition gets better their short forward line will be found wanting.

But then I never thought anyone would give up pick 9 for Henderson.

As I said you may well be correct - just don't be so dismissive of what may eventuate.
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Edited my original post about the Tigers - Tigers - Could be an option, but they seem to think the new trend is what the Dogs did last year, which we all know was an exception

Henderson was traded for a late 1st rounder, SOS was clever enough to trade that on, which eventuated to pick 9

I am not dismissive to the theory, I just work on probabilities and possibilities. Possible that a club is stupid enough to offer a band 3 contract, but not probable
 
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I bleed Blue said:
Finish last or 2nd last and we should apply for a priority pick again.

Wont get one due to all rising star nominations etc... But ey no harm trying our luck. All they can say is no.
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Exactly and if Gibbs goes and we only draft in replacements and everything goes to crap. We can ask again next year and maybe get one.

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