Mega Thread The new Bucks mega-thread. It's Official. 2 Year Deal for Bucks.

[Countrypie]

This sounds like hope in desperation, all my hope is gone

The world seems to be at its darkest just before the sun rises.
Then again...what exactly is darkest?

 

[TKiL]

Well, I am going to try to be more positive now re Bucks appointment. It's now done, so bitching and bagging Bucks for the next 2 years is just a waste of energy. Lets hope Bucks can do a Damien Hardwick next year and you never know, we might even make the top 4

If we're going to do a Damien Hardwick next year do we have to get Neil Balme back for the 3rd time?

 

[Help My Club]

Or could you please tell your anti bucks brother in arms jadami to stop lying, he does your cause no good telling LIES trying to come up with something to hang on to

It doesn't matter what you think or what I think. Buckley has two more years. Speculating about what may or may not happen is meaningless

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

 

[Help My Club]

The world seems to be at its darkest just before the sun rises.
Then again...what exactly is darkest?

Could still get darker mate................

 

[76woodenspooners]

You are right on so many levels but I have reached a point in life where I only worry about things I can control. I can't control if Eddie gives bucks a 2 year extension. What I can do is be positive or negative and I choose to be positive.

We can't control anything that goes on inside the Collingwood Football club.

We can go to games and cheer.

We can pay our memberships ...

... or cancel them. I do wonder that's why many people cancel / threaten to cancel their memberships - less about disagreement with club actions, and more about having no control / visibility / accountability of what's going on.

 

[76woodenspooners]

The world seems to be at its darkest just before the sun rises.
Then again...what exactly is darkest?

1976
1999

 

[Baltimore Jack]

1976
1999

The "New Magpies" era was the darkest for me.
Never thought we as a club would ever be Rattling Tins

 

[Countrypie]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

You can't argue on standards of integrity then selectively make an argument. Argue your case with facts not convenietly selected quotes out of context.

FWIW I can accept the reappointment. I don't profess to have all the facts. I do know that for whatever reason, the football club has been in decline since halfway through 2011. I don't think that all of that can be laid at the feet of the coach. I don't trust Ed. Buckley has used up all his credits. Walsh on the other hand seems to be a straight shooter. Maybe my trust is misplaced.Time will tell. My opinion and my arguments will not change yours. You can continue to tilt at windmills and yell into the abyss but ultimately your crusade is meaningless unless you have the gonads to take the club on at the ballot box.

Of course, its your right to maintain your high standards of integrity and stamp your little feet because you haven't got your own way. But carrying on like you are really reminds me of all those snowflake corporate democrats who just refuse to accept the state of play and embrace a wild conspiracy theory about Russia.

Yes he's been appointed for two years, but we both know he has 12 months. I look forward to the start of the season with hope. Let's see what happens

 

[Maggie5]

 

[jackcass]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

I think we should have gone to the market to find out who was the best option moving forward. If the process found that Bucks was the best option then so be it.

I do have an issue with a strong clique within the anti-Bucks posters and their penchant for spinning half truths. There is more than enough actual evidence to make a case from without the continual need to fabricate utter crap and resort to the bile that gets thrown liberally around. Says more about the posters than it does about Bucks or the club.

Now that he's re-appointed, he has my full support. Hopefully the next 2 years justify that.

 

[westozpie]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

Given your high standards of integrity, could you please admonish Jadami and others for telling lies or is it ok given it's having a cheap shot at Bucks.

 

[westozpie]

I think we should have gone to the market to find out who was the best option moving forward. If the process found that Bucks was the best option then so be it.

I do have an issue with a strong clique within the anti-Bucks posters and their penchant for spinning half truths. There is more than enough actual evidence to make a case from without the continual need to fabricate utter crap and resort to the bile that gets thrown liberally around. Says more about the posters than it does about Bucks or the club.

Now that he's re-appointed, he has my full support. Hopefully the next 2 years justify that.

Agree Jackcass, my favourite fabrication is that Bucks said will quit if doesn't make finals, unbelievably still being peddled by some even now when it's been shown as a lie many times

 

[jmac70]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

I don't think he was deserving but I have accepted it as a reality.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

Who didn't meet your standards of integrity and how?

 

[bunter]

Meaningless. This may be true. Doesn't make the decision right though. There are some of us who have set standards of integrity and when we feel those standards have not been met, we tend to speak out. By the way I have been speaking out on this issue for the last 6 years and don't intend to sweep it in under the carpet just because he has been extended yet again (although this is clearly the most damming of all the extensions).

By the way, do you actually think that Buckley was deserving of a contract extension?

Classic!
What drama we have, keep posting mate.

 

[Help My Club]

I don't think he was deserving but I have accepted it as a reality.

Thank you Jmac for acknowledging that he didn't deserve a contract extension. Honesty! I can't ask for anything more than that.

Best of luck going forward.

 

[Help My Club]

Given your high standards of integrity, could you please admonish Jadami and others for telling lies or is it ok given it's having a cheap shot at Bucks.

Not sure who Jadami is - you got me there.

Feel free to take the piss and demean my integrity. No drama. But how about answering my long standing question - do you feel that Buckley deserves a contract extension? Pretty straight forward - Yes or No. Jmac had the courage to acknowledge that he did not deserve an extension notwithstanding his ongoing support. I admire that. Kudos to him. How about you?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Not sure who Jadami is - you got me there.

Feel free to take the piss and demean my integrity. No drama. But how about answering my long standing question - do you feel that Buckley deserves a contract extension? Pretty straight forward - Yes or No. Jmac had the courage to acknowledge that he did not deserve an extension notwithstanding his ongoing support. I admire that. Kudos to him. How about you?

Mr Integrity,

I do think Mr Buckley deserved a contract extension.
I have advocated that more or less for a while.

Regards

Mr Viewed

ps notwithstanding the appointment who ever is the Collingwood coach I support until they no longer hold the position. In my time, I have liked some coaches more than others, but regardless of personal taste, I've never gone on a campaign of vitriol and rudeness. But that's just me.

 

[Antz]

Not sure who Jadami is - you got me there.

Feel free to take the piss and demean my integrity. No drama. But how about answering my long standing question - do you feel that Buckley deserves a contract extension? Pretty straight forward - Yes or No. Jmac had the courage to acknowledge that he did not deserve an extension notwithstanding his ongoing support. I admire that. Kudos to him. How about you?

Mate, give it up. You joined this forum in June and your user name has troll written all over it. Which former banned member are you?

Its time to move on. Bitching and moaning over the next 2 years isn't going to get Buckley sacked. Accept that he is our coach and and support the team. Simple!

 

[nahnah]

Mate, give it up. You joined this forum in June and your user name has troll written all over it. Which former banned member are you?

Its time to move on. Bitching and moaning over the next 2 years isn't going to get Buckley sacked. Accept that he is our coach and and support the team. Simple!

He's probably not a banned account, mods can ip check and would have by now

 

[doodles98]

Normal service has resumed in the Buckley thread I see.

 

[Help My Club]

Mr Integrity,

I do think Mr Buckley deserved a contract extension.
I have advocated that more or less for a while.

Regards

Mr Viewed

ps notwithstanding the appointment who ever is the Collingwood coach I support until they no longer hold the position. In my time, I have liked some coaches more than others, but regardless of personal taste, I've never gone on a campaign of vitriol and rudeness. But that's just me.

Have I been rude Saintly?

Mr Integrity,

I do think Mr Buckley deserved a contract extension.
I have advocated that more or less for a while.

Regards

Mr Viewed

ps notwithstanding the appointment who ever is the Collingwood coach I support until they no longer hold the position. In my time, I have liked some coaches more than others, but regardless of personal taste, I've never gone on a campaign of vitriol and rudeness. But that's just me.

Mr Viewed

Pleasure liaising with you.

Would you be so kind as to extend as to why you think Mr Buckley deserved a contract extension. I'm genuinely interested. If you could limit your response to tangible concrete based evidence, it would be greatly appreciated, if you can.

Furthermore, if I may be so bold, I would hope that references to vitriol and rudeness do not include my good self.

May I also suggest that on this topic, you go back and read a number of your responses to the likes of a chap called Kreuger. This Kreuger fellow may not have the greatest command of the english language but you cannot question his passion. And yet may I suggest that your responses, along with others, are often demeaning and borderline arrogant.

 

[Robroy22]

So who's pissing higher up the wall today?

 

[Greening Magic]

Normal service has resumed in the Buckley thread I see.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Have I been rude Saintly?


Mr Viewed

Pleasure liaising with you.

Would you be so kind as to extend as to why you think Mr Buckley deserved a contract extension. I'm genuinely interested. If you could limit your response to tangible concrete based evidence, it would be greatly appreciated, if you can.

Furthermore, if I may be so bold, I would hope that references to vitriol and rudeness do not include my good self.

May I also suggest that on this topic, you go back and read a number of your responses to the likes of a chap called Kreuger. This Kreuger fellow may not have the greatest command of the english language but you cannot question his passion. And yet may I suggest that your responses, along with others, are often demeaning and borderline arrogant.

My post wasn't directed at any one poster or other.
People can determine for their good selves who they consider rude or otherwise.

Regarding the aforesaid Mr Krueger. I'm quite sure I've never been demeaning nor arrogant (borderline or otherwise) to K. In fact on the whole my responses to K are only when he directs a post to me and my usual response is "never change k" or some such. I'd say that's not demeaning, rude or arrogant. But people can judge however they wish.
For what it's worth, suggest that K has been at times very pointed or direct at me, not always graceful. but I'm not too fussed.

Now to the vexed question of Mr Buckley and reappointment. And why I would have also reappointed him for a further two years.

The given know facts:

Nathan has coached us for 6 seasons.
The first 2 seasons he coached us to finals including a preliminary final.
The next 4 seasons we have not made finals.

The other points, my reasoning:

I'm into the strong belief players are far more important than coaches, broken up as Leigh Matthews has suggested. 80% players 20% coaches and other factors.

A coach must have authority, must be in control, be the boss, understand the game, run the show.
A coach should have a plan for the list.
A coach must have the ability to make decisions, tough decisions.
Prefer a coach to be articulate.
Prefer a coach to interact to understand learning is life long.
On all this Nathan gets ticks across the board.
He is not a Neeld, Rhode, Gellie looking weak type.

Nathan has not lost the group.

After 2 years Nathan made the tough call, which I agree with, the list wasn't good enough to win a flag anymore. Jolly was done as were others, needed to gut the list, he did.

Now comes results. In many ways that's all we have.
But this season particularly I have seen improvement.
We didn't lose any game by a hiding.
We didn't but should have won quite a few more games and actually been close to finals.

The young group are coming together, playing together, getting their bearings. The tide is turning.
On this basis I'm keen for Nathan to complete his work with his list.

I'm not a panic merchant. I want to stay the course.
If this group is good enough Nathan will have succcess.
If not, Buckley will dissapear into coaching oblivion.

I understand that many people believe the coach is the most important ingredient of all; I just don't hold that view. I'm of the belief EVERY single great coach is that because they have great players first and foremost.

And on that, and on Nathan's control and authority and he ticks the boxes for me, so he can continue.
And that he was a brilliant footballer for us, means zilch to me. That's just an aside.
But he does look like a coach to me.

That's my take.