Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc) - Part 2 (cont. in Part 3)

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Carlton in the media Bump!

 

[Aphrodite]

Doc

 

[thylacine60]

could he be more polite and respectful - he's like a choirboy but he still wants you to get zero possessions and cry after he has beaten you into stew

 

[BIGGUS 64]

I got a lot of that hatred of my chest when we pantsed those campaigners last season in the wet but i still and will always hate the druggies i just hoping we beat those and the ferals .I don't think we've beaten the ferals since 2012 in the round 1 opener so we are due .

Is it too much to ask for all three?

 

[AceAndy]

Carlton in the media Bump!

Softest bump ever , need to lift BLUEALLTHRU

 

[Blue Pulse]

could he be more polite and respectful - he's like a choirboy but he still wants you to get zero possessions and cry after he has beaten you into stew

Is he too high a pedestal to compare my daughters future boyfriends?

 

[AceAndy]

Doc

Speaks very well, seems like a really good bloke.

 

[Aphrodite]

Speaks very well, seems like a really nice bloke.

 

[ShanDog]

Is he too high a pedestal to compare my daughters future boyfriends?

I got dibs on his future kids for my little ones. I'm coming around to the idea of arranged marriage... lol

 

[Dadda Dave]

Is it too much to ask for all three?

No not at all .

 

[Jabba73]

Doc

Saw it live, he is a seriously good spokesperson for the club

 

[therubbernub]

could he be more polite and respectful - he's like a choirboy but he still wants you to get zero possessions and cry after he has beaten you into stew

Is that his school uniform?

 

[ferrisb]

Saw it live, he is a seriously the club's next captain

EFA

 

[Neese]

could he be more polite and respectful - he's like a choirboy but he still wants you to get zero possessions and cry after he has beaten you into stew

I like stew

 

[Dadda Dave]

EFA

Joined captain with Crippa is what i want to see ...can't split em .. will be Murphs last year as skipper is my guess..

 

[Gethelred]

After all the damage players like Hodge and Lewis have done, not sure I'd want to be called a 'good' bloke, either.

 

[Aphrodite]

After all the damage players like Hodge and Lewis have done, not sure I'd want to be called a 'good' bloke, either.

Hence my 'nice' bloke edit.

 

[ESKIE]

Good Island stock

 

[Blue Pulse]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-16/revealed-the-afls-most-talented-list

Carlton's list is rated the least talented, while Fremantle has the weakest best 22, with captain Nat Fyfe rated as the club's only 'elite' player.

 

[Matty411]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-16/revealed-the-afls-most-talented-list

Carlton's list is rated the least talented, while Fremantle has the weakest best 22, with captain Nat Fyfe rated as the club's only 'elite' player.

I initially read the link and thought "oh, this is from 2016 - clearly wrong". Then I read it was from yesterday... Nathan Schmook has zero ideal obviously... anyone who can't see that the Roos have the least talented list has little idea.

I'm guessing his metric includes games played, because we have more talented and exciting young players on our list than at least 15 other clubs. I would expect him to change his tune by the end of 2018 (and again in 2019) once these kids have another 30-40 games under their belt.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I initially read the link and thought "oh, this is from 2016 - clearly wrong". Then I read it was from yesterday... Nathan Schmook has zero ideal obviously... anyone who can't see that the Roos have the least talented list has little idea.

I'm guessing his metric includes games played, because we have more talented and exciting young players on our list than at least 15 other clubs. I would expect him to change his tune by the end of 2018 (and again in 2019) once these kids have another 30-40 games under their belt.

You've got to remember he is compiling his list from data on a spread sheet. Although, I feel we show huge potential, potential, doesn't appear on data sheets, so take it with a grain of salt.
All the data they collect on a yearly basis doesn't mean a great deal on a football oval.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-16/revealed-the-afls-most-talented-list

Carlton's list is rated the least talented, while Fremantle has the weakest best 22, with captain Nat Fyfe rated as the club's only 'elite' player.

It all sounds pretty wanky, doesn't it? Sydney fans can say "Yay, our list is the most talented!" But I'm sure they would rather see that talent bring them another flag.

The article doesn't reveal the actual list I notice, but I don't think anyone would be particularly "shocked" that Richmond's list aren't rated as overly "talented". Even though they won the flag, general opinion is that they "pinched" it last year.

If the "talent" rating is generated through comparisons made over a number of years, then it's not surprising that our list is down the bottom. While we may be quietly confident in the potential of our young list, it's largely unproven talent.
I like that we're still being underrated by the "experts". Let them keep doing that!

 

[Blue Warrior]

You've got to remember he is compiling his list from data on a spread sheet. Although, I feel we show huge potential, potential, doesn't appear on data sheets, so take it with a grain of salt.
All the data they collect on a yearly basis doesn't mean a great deal on a football oval.

Totally agree. All this scientific crap and stats they go on about is starting to ruin the "essence" of the best game in the world.

 

[thylacine60]

You've got to remember he is compiling his list from data on a spread sheet. Although, I feel we show huge potential, potential, doesn't appear on data sheets, so take it with a grain of salt.
All the data they collect on a yearly basis doesn't mean a great deal on a football oval.

 

[CJMB]

I initially read the link and thought "oh, this is from 2016 - clearly wrong". Then I read it was from yesterday... Nathan Schmook has zero ideal obviously... anyone who can't see that the Roos have the least talented list has little idea.

I'm guessing his metric includes games played, because we have more talented and exciting young players on our list than at least 15 other clubs. I would expect him to change his tune by the end of 2018 (and again in 2019) once these kids have another 30-40 games under their belt.

I posted this in another thread so for the sake of being lazy I'm just gonna quote myself here...

"Champion Data compares players in the same position and age categories over a number of years to give each a relative rating, which then determines the strength of a club's list."

That's how they do it.

They're comparing players with similar ages and positions against each other using their huge number of metrics, most of which aren't available to the general public... we only get to see the basic stuff outside of when the commentators drop obscure stats mid-game or when Kingy get's in the lab...

Remember not so long ago when CD announced that Collingwood had the best midfield in the comp? It's a similar thing... they're not looking at the mids in the best 22, they're looking at the sum of all the midfielders on the list.

When you look at our list demographic it's not surprising that we land down the bottom. We've got 8 players yet to debut, they effectively amount to nothing as there is no data on them. There's another 11 with less than a full season under their belt who are still finding their feet. 27 players have yet to notch 50 games. That's part of the reason why they're calling us last on overall list ranking but somewhat higher for 22 (as Freo is last). Then again, we all know what most media/pundits best 22s are like so who knows who they've decided makes the cut for that. Or perhaps it's simply the 22 statistically highest rated players on the list who make the cut.

I don't really have an issue with the premise of the article per say, or the way the stats are used in the study. My big issue is the way afl.com.au are taking those results and implying that they indicate talent, which isn't what those stats explicitly show - it's a combination of talent/ability and experience across a list.